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Ltryptophan's avatar

Could bdsm behavior be the future of human and machine communication and interaction?

Asked by Ltryptophan (9105 points ) November 3rd, 2010 from iPhone

Imagine a world where intelligent computer assisstants walk you step by step through nearly every aspect of your life. Kinky? Keep reading.

The dominant person I understand to be the one bound or “punished” in a bdsm situation.

Machines would constantly be our masters waiting for us to say the safe word and shut them down.

Think about it, I’ll be back in two spanks, promise.

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sandalman's avatar

I’m skeptical. Even in a future of ubiquitous intelligent computer assistants, I don’t see how pain necessarily has to be involved.

Ivy's avatar

Hasn’t this been imagined ~ Terminator trilogy?

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

Meh…I’ll take a pass.

wenn's avatar

Firstly, the dominant person is the one doing the ‘punishing’. Thats why they are dominant.

I highly doubt human-machine interactions would reach a sexual level, let alone a BDSM style relationship. And the only machines I can see being involved in a sexual way would be nano-machines which i guess would assist in physical performance in general, not directly having sex with machines.

iamthemob's avatar

The dominant person is not the person bound – it is, in fact, the person you would expect – it’s the person dominating the submissive (e.g., bound) person.

You’re talking about power relations in BDSM, which are more complicated. The submissive person has much of the control in the end, as that person is the one that can allow the behavior or prevent the behavior of the dominant individual – right overall idea, and I’m splitting hairs a little – but BDSM is a complicated power-relationship that a lot of people get wrong.

And I’m with @wenn on this one. I feel like you’re talking about it on a non-sexual level as we become more reliant on machines to do the things we don’t want to, we are in essence in service to them until we power them off and do for ourselves. However, I think that the interesting aspects of the comparison sort of stop there, personally.

CMaz's avatar

I do not see the logic that comes with a flawed system that relies on comfort through reliving past abuse. In an acceptable social environment, providing the illusion that it is ok..

So I would say NO.

Though we all seem to need to learn the hard way from time to time.

iamthemob's avatar

@ChazMaz – ? What are you talking about?

CMaz's avatar

I AM TALKING ABOUT bdsm.

iamthemob's avatar

BDSM has nothing to do with relying on comfort through reliving past abuse. It has to do with a release and gain of power. It’s kind of like most relationships that way. ;-)

CMaz's avatar

Sure it is.
But, if that is how you want to role play it .

Your description being part of a bigger picture. ;-)

When referring to the lifestyle.

iamthemob's avatar

@ChazMaz – ah, a profound misunderstanding of BDSM. You should probably do some reading on the topic.

CMaz's avatar

Yea, TY for the link. I will remember to check with wikipedia when I get a heart attack.
Been in it too long.

What makes it profound is your denial toward what it really is.
Like an alcoholic saying they are not.

iamthemob's avatar

@ChazMaz – Not really – considering that there are many healthy people who have been in BDSM relationships and have never been abused, I think I’m pretty safe in my understanding that there’s no causal link between abuse and BDSM…or vice versa.

CMaz's avatar

Remember to put the word healthy in quotes. “healthy people”
Your opinion based on assumption and denial.

Here is a link for you. Fetlife.com

EVERYONE have a story to tell. And it eventually goes back to something F’d up.

But they find unity with that common bond. Making it “ok”. I guess that makes it ok.

Like a bunch of crack heads hanging out together in a crack house. (Dungeon)

iamthemob's avatar

Prove it.

CMaz's avatar

“Prove it.”
If that works for you go with it. :-)

Listen, I gave my insight to the question from my life experiences. Live with it and by all means give your own insight to the question. :-) I’m sure Wikipedia has something.

iamthemob's avatar

Surely. This article clearly refutes your statement, not to mention other scholarly discussion here (regarding prejudices about the actual practice of BDSM), here (involving the spiritual release of BDSM presented at the 2009 APA conference), and here (regarding the proper approach to a BDSM client which reveals the pathology as generally surrounding the counselor as opposed to the participant).

;-)

CMaz's avatar

Great reading. Sorry, been there. Done that. I understand the pathology very well.
Do you? Or do you just find comfort in reading things that pacify your denial?

“scholarly discussion”
Is that suppose to mean something? ;-)

iamthemob's avatar

@ChazMaz – only if you’re educated. ;) PS – considering the amount of information I just linked to, and the fact that you’ve made assertions without support, I’m fairly comfortable in not further justifying my knowledge of the subject to you. ;)

On that note, I’m out.

CMaz's avatar

You want support?

Been in the lifestyle on and off for over 20 years. If I had a dollar for every “friend” that was raped, beat to the point of having to go to the hospital. Linked to child abuse and molestation. I would be rich. Besides all the subtle nuances in between.
I have watched ignorant people get involved thinking like you do and end up getting pushed through the meat grinder. Their low self esteem convincing them that this is where they are bets to be. Or their megalomaniac-isem getting the best of them.
It is a predator rich environment of narcissist and sociopaths all dancing around one another. I have rarely crossed paths with your fantasy of a” normal person.”

But then again I never fell into the classification of what truly draws someone to the lifestyle. I have seen it more as a study into the human psyche.
That being another story.

I am not shooting you down. Thought it sounds like it. Live the life you wish to live. But do not be foolish in understanding what you are getting yourself into.

The information you just linked to I could (scholarly) provide you information to the wear about to the tooth fairy is.

@Ltryptophan – I am VERY sorry for derailing your post. :-)

wundayatta's avatar

It’s always possible. Not very probable. I’m trying to imagine a scenario that might end up with this outcome, and having a hard time coming up with anything that sounds even remotely likely. I think that humans will find they have much better things to do with their time than to play bondage games with their machines. And if machines are at all intelligent, I’m sure they’ll have better things to do, as well.

crazyandbeautiful's avatar

www.utherverse.com where you can play a virtual online game and find out for yourself

CMaz's avatar

And lets not forget Secondlife.com

crazyandbeautiful's avatar

true. if you want info let me know. i happen to play the game in www.utherverse.com quite interesting and fun when you want a break from reality. just look for the screen name KRs_sexxy_DsL that is me.

LostInParadise's avatar

In Being and Nothingness , Sartre characterized all human relationships as being sado-masochistic. I don’t quite go along with this, but he does give what may be the only philosophical discussion of sado-masochism. He says that in our personal relationships we focus our twin mutually antagonistic desires to be free and to escape having to choose. The strategy is doomed to failure. The need of the sadist for the masochist ruins both approaches.

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