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Do you think that states should move to ban "bath salts"?

Asked by Ron_C (14293 points ) February 11th, 2011

I was reading through today’s news and found that some teenagers found a new high by sniffing bath salts. Please see this article http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-02-11-bathsalts11_ST_N.htm it is one of several when I did a search.

It turns out that every time a drug is added to a “forbidden list”, some chemist or curious teen finds a new way that is just a little different than the “illegal” way to get high.

I think that we need to stop the foolishness and let Darwin sort it out. If the parents can’t handle the problem and the kids insist on using drugs that kill or disable them, it is not the state’s problem. It is the problem of the parents and their insurance company.

Frankly I think allowing individuals to make decisions that do not harm others is a way to improve the race. This is the same reason that I don’t think helmets or seat belts should not be mandated by law. We have too many stupid people and we spend too much time protecting them from their own stupidity. They just breed and make more stupid people who, in turn, need protection. Eventually you lower the I.Q. and decision making ability of the whole human race.

Humans have always found ways to get high and alter their preceptions, no drug law, or prohibition will change that and the best we can do is make people aware of the problem then let them make their own decisions. The government’s only responsibility is to clean up the mess if they die in the street.

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Coloma's avatar

Banning everything that could possibly be mis-used and abused is absurd. It’s about personal responsibility.

I always laugh, like this morning when putting a dose of Advantage on my cat that had a tick, ’ for animal use only, do not ingest.’ Really? I shouldn’t squeeze a few drops between my shoulders to prevent fleas and ticks too? lol

iamthemob's avatar

I agree with you 100%. Making any drug illegal just creates a black market for it, which funds all sorts of other violence and inevitably serves to depress already depressed areas.

Cruiser's avatar

HS That is insane!! Wow kids will sniff and do anything for a buzz! Dang I love my bath salts….Now I know why!! lol!

Coloma's avatar

I was a teen in the 70’s…boy, the stuff we abused…Baby Rosewood seeds, nutmeg, Morning Glory seeds, not to mention our mothers mega Valium stashes. haha

Yep, better ban Morning Glory seed packets, quite a hallucingenic punch to those pretty blooms. lol

Seaofclouds's avatar

When I first read the question, I was thinking ‘WTF’. Then upon reading I found that they are ‘fake bath salts’ specifically being sold for people to abuse (heck the price alone tells you a lot about what it’s really meant for). So that clears things up quite a bit for me. I’m not saying they need to be banned, I was just really confused all of a sudden about why bath salts would be banned. I had never heard of this until now. I feel out of the loop, maybe I should start paying attention to the news again.

I think it’s good to get the information out there about them to warn people what it really is and what it’s really doing to people. Banning them won’t stop people from finding another way to get high.

DancingMind's avatar

I agree with everything you said, that people should be able to make their own mistakes as long as the only person their hurting is themselves (seat belts and drugs)

But as long as all the other less harmful drugs are illegal, so should Bath Salts. It’s a really scary drug. I saw a news report on TV about it. The funny part even though none of this is really funny is that places like CA where it’s easier to get access to the illegal drugs, Bath Salts haven’t really taken off yet, because they’re more bad than “good”.
The report also showed interviews of people that had taken Bath Salts, saying they were horrible, had actually changed their brain permamently somehow, and most of them were close to suicidal because their life was such hell now.

No I don’t think anything should be illegal like that, at all. I just hope that the more people synthesize worse drugs, the more the government realizes the best thing is to make legal things that are fairly harmless, like marijuana, or at least less harmful in comparison.

Cruiser's avatar

@Coloma You are so old fashioned! XD

iamthemob's avatar

@Cruiser – Old fashioned is lame. Old school is awesome.

What @Coloma describes is old school, and therefore, awesome. ;-)

Ban the bans!

Cruiser's avatar

@iamthemob If we are then talking nitrous oxide….that is old school!

Coloma's avatar

Oh yes, the old fashioned ways, like my mother and her friends trading Valium with the Avon lady. haha

I tell ya, those 60’s and 70’s housewives were high all the time. lol

Aesthetic_Mess's avatar

We should also ban Windex, glue, Ajax, and Sharpie markers for that matter then

Coloma's avatar

I had a very ‘generous’ dentist in the 70’s. He wore a leather belt with marijuana leaves stamped into it and would tune me in to the local rock station with head phones and put on the nitrous mask….I loved going to the dentist. lol

ilana's avatar

@Aesthetic_Mess And let’s not forget nail polish, petrol, paint, hairspray, anything with a pungent odour really…

iamthemob's avatar

@ilana – and you’re leaving out all prescription drugs…

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

Absolutely not. Banning substances doesn’t accomplish decrease in usage.

ilana's avatar

@iamthemob Oh yeah, how could I forget! Life without painkillers…eeep. I bet with the proper chemistry know-how and materials you could get high on just about every substance on Earth.

YoBob's avatar

All I can say is AMEN!

With freedom comes responsibility. The government is not there to be your nanny. You have to take responsibility for your own actions. If you want to screw yourself up by ingesting <whatever>, it’s really not any of my (or the government’s) business. Just don’t expect a whole lot of sympathy from me should that choice permanently incapacitate you.

I saw a news article recently about a South American country (sorry don’t remember which one off hand) that had a huge drug problem. They responded by decriminalizing all drug use. The end result is that addiction actually went down along with the crime traditionally associated with illicit trade.

peridot's avatar

Remember this? :)

!!! BREAD IS DANGEROUS !!!

Research on bread indicates that:

1. More than 98 percent of convicted felons are bread users.
2. Fully HALF of all children who grow up in bread-consuming households score
below average on standardized tests.
3. In the 18th century, when virtually all bread was baked in the home, the
average life expectancy was less than 50 years; infant mortality rates were
unacceptably high; many women died in childbirth; and diseases such as
typhoid, yellow fever, and influenza ravaged whole nations.
4. More than 90 percent of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of
eating bread.
5. Bread is made from a substance called “dough.” It has been proven that as
little as one pound of dough can be used to suffocate a mouse. The average
American eats more bread than that in one month!
6. Primitive tribal societies that have no bread exhibit a low incidence of cancer,
Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s disease, and osteoporosis.
7. Bread has been proven to be addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given
only water to eat begged for bread after as little as two days.
8. Bread is often a “gateway” food item, leading the user to “harder” items such
as butter, jelly, peanut butter, and even cold cuts.
9. Bread has been proven to absorb water. Since the human body is more than
90 percent water, it follows that eating bread could lead to your body being
taken over by this absorptive food product, turning you into a soggy, gooey
bread-pudding person.
10. Newborn babies can choke on bread.
11. Bread is baked at temperatures as high as 400 degrees Fahrenheit! That
kind of heat can kill an adult in less than one minute.
12. Most American bread eaters are utterly unable to distinguish between
significant scientific fact and meaningless statistical babbling.

In light of these frightening statistics, it has been proposed that the following
bread restrictions be made:

1. No sale of bread to minors.
2. A nationwide “Just Say No To Toast” campaign, complete celebrity TV spots
and bumper stickers.
3. A 300 percent federal tax on all bread to pay for all the societal ills we might
associate with bread.
4. No animal or human images, nor any primary colors (which may appeal to
children) may be used to promote bread usage.
5. The establishment of “Bread-free” zones around schools.

Coloma's avatar

@peridot

hahaha…that’s great! Thanks for the laughs!

Yeah toast!

DancingMind's avatar

@peridot—ahaha GA: that reminds me of Dihydrogen Monoxide : )

peridot's avatar

@Coloma—Heywood Banks: toaster-master! :D

@Aesthetic_Mess—I think around 1996 or so…?

@DancingMind—dihydrogen monoxide is even more dangerous. It’s an element, and should therefore be approached with nothing less than utmost caution when encountered. ;)

cak's avatar

Ridiculous. If you could peek into my prescription cabinet…and I’ve been through some crazy things, I have the serious drugs that people want to get their hands on. Bath Salts? After they ban those, they (kids) will find another high. After that, another one.

I’ll watch my kids and keep an eye on them. Government, you have enough shit on your plate.

bunnygrl's avatar

@peridot LOL LOL brilliant!! <hugs>

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the gene pool needs some chlorine every now and again…..... :-)

wundayatta's avatar

Come on, people. Isn’t it clear that we should be required to have a prescription for everything?

Anyone know who can give me a prescription for Fluther?

Ron_C's avatar

@peridot extremely informative article, who knew bread was so dangerous that it made Americans oblivious to farce?

Coloma's avatar

I think fuzzy fleece bathrobes should be banned, they contribute to obesity. lol

iamthemob's avatar

@Coloma – isn’t it interesting that the real serious public concern over obesity coincided with the introduction of the Snuggie?

Something to think about…;-)

VS's avatar

@Coloma I tell ya, those 60’s and 70’s housewives were high all the time. lol

It wasn’t just the 60s and 70s – my mom was a 50s housewife and the doctors used to prescribe a little something back then called “Miltown”, the 50s version of 70s Valium and today’s Xanax. My mom was fond of saying that Miltown didn’t make your troubles disappear, you just didn’t give a shit about them anymore!!
As far as banning “dangerous substances”, anything can be a dangerous substance if used improperly. I remember how many kids got their noses stuck to the floor from sniffing airplane glue for the hallucinagenic effects produced by toluene. It is very hard to protect people from themselves!

Ron_C's avatar

There was a comedian that talked about how protective the society has become and showed how ridiculous it is.

When I was a kid, cars had metal dashboards with nice chrome knobs and no seat belts. We rode in the back of pickup trucks, sometimes without the tail gate. We rode our bikes without helmets (I still refuse to wear one) and parents (not mine) smoked when the kids were in the car. We had BB guns and cork guns that really could throw a BB or cork. We had lawn darts and slip’n’slides that ended at the driveway. Most of us lived through our childhood.

I wonder what kind of pussy kids we’re raising and what will they do when they have a crisis or injury in their life?

YoBob's avatar

> I wonder what kind of pussy kids we’re raising and what will they do when they have a crisis or injury in their life?

My guess is they’ll blame somebody else for their injury and then sue.

faye's avatar

I agree 100 %, the whole wold is ‘dumbing down’. Let’s not let anyone fail, you can’t be fired because you’re a drink, protective gear for having a bath will be next. My toboggan hill ended at the road if you got up enough speed. None of us were stupid enough not to roll off before we got there. What happens with all the wussies is they are piled into emergency rooms all across Canada for a cough they’ve had for a week, or they need 1, one!, stitch for a cut on their finger . That’s not even a cut and you barely need a bandaid!!! I read an article about the more intelligent people having one or two children so some are not even reproducing themselves.

TexasDude's avatar

Ban children, it’s for the bath salts!

Coloma's avatar

Well, when my daughter was little us moms would joke about the ‘Dimetap nap’ haha
“Oh my darling, you feel so icky with your cold, here, have some nice grape flavored elixer.”

One teaspoon and the poor stuffy baby took a 4 hour nap. lol

Now it’s under lock and key and the main nappy ingrediant has been altered.

No, I am not advocating drugging children, but, it’s the truth, the Dimetap nap was always a treat. ;-)

Bellatrix's avatar

No. Absolutely not.

jerv's avatar

Ban Everything!

You can get high off of car exhaust, so how about banning cars? After all, it’s proven that car exhaust is deadly to humans.
Jogging give you “Runner’s high”, and people drop dead while running, so lets ban that too.

I would like to continue, but this level of disbelief is making my eyes roll so far back that I can almost see my own brain.

Coloma's avatar

Gas fumes….and we are worried about bath salts?

I hold my breath at the pumps til I turn blue. haha

YARNLADY's avatar

Drinking too much water can kill you – it’s the same thing as asking if we should ban water.

peridot's avatar

Don’t inhale too much—excessive oxygen can harm you.

Don’t exhale too much—carbon dioxide is a known poison.

Yadda yadda yadda. Farghin’ legislations.

Paradox25's avatar

Well they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the war on drugs is just but one of many other examples of this. There are too many ways to get high that it’s outright pathetic to ban each new possible way to achieve this. Damn, there are psychoactive mushrooms which from time to time pop up in my backyard just because they’re native to my area. Maybe it’s about time society begins to become more concerned about the root problems which are causing people to use drugs to begin with rather than banning more substances.

Ron_C's avatar

My grandmother used to give us funny tasting orange juice when we had a cold. I found out later (much later) that the funny taste was caused by an ounce or so of gin added to the orange juice.

When we asked what was in the orange juice she would say “shut up and drink, good for you!*

Paradox25's avatar

@Ron_C I feel that I have something important to say, so here goes my rant. Looking at this from a utilitarian viewpoint, whose doctrine is to do what is best for mankind as a whole, the war on drugs doesn’t make sense because there’s no viable way to prevent people from getting high. Also from a utilitarian viewpoint, not focusing on many root causes leading up to drug use is of little benefit to society as whole, for again the same reason that I’ve mentioned above.

There are some individualists whom oppose decriminalization/legalization on the grounds of forcing taxpayers to foot the bill for the potential addict/s downfall. Again I find this logic to be fallible because it costs more to incarcerate drug offenders than it does to help them. I also find that there’s a correlation between those who oppose things such as antibullying programs and those who support antidrug legislation. I know my latter point is not true for everyone, but it does seem to be the rule rather than the exception.

I have my own opinion about the issue of drugs, so here are my last words about this topic. I feel that the only way to truly combat drugs (and maybe quite a few other epidemics as well) is to engineer a society/culture that promotes kindness, decency, compassion, empathy, humility along with providing drug education.

YARNLADY's avatar

@Paradox25 HEAR, HEAR I feel that the only way to truly combat drugs (and maybe quite a few other epidemics as well) is to engineer a society/culture that promotes kindness, decency, compassion, empathy, humility along with providing…. education.

Ron_C's avatar

Great answer @Paradox25 I, too would prefer to treat drug addicts than incarcerate them. A lot of the anti-drug-pro jail people reflect the Puritan ethic that persists in this country. They want everything they think immoral punished. In earlier times they would put them in stocks and throw shit at them. Now all they can do is jail people for having something that may be related to drug use.

This is all a barbaric system that wastes lives and money.

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