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Is it acceptable for 12 year old boys to play "spin the bottle"?

Asked by SmashTheState (14245points) February 13th, 2011

If a group of 12 year old boys are having a sleepover, do you feel it’s acceptable for them to play spin the bottle, and to practice kissing each other? If your child was involved and indicated that he felt some of the other boys were gay or bisexual, that they “slipped him the tongue,” and seemed to enjoy it (to your son’s evident discomfort), would that make you feel differently?

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WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

I rarely do this because I find it annoying, but this similar question was asked about a week ago.

SmashTheState's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate The entire point of asking this question is negated by your posting that link.

iamthemob's avatar

(1) Yes (regarding the first question).

(2) Yes it would (regarding the second question), in that I would make sure that my son should know that if he doesn’t want to do something, especially something sexually, he shouldn’t feel pressured into doing it.

What was your point in asking the question? Knowing there was another like it, how does that change an ability to objectively answer the question?

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

@SmashTheState I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying from the wording of your comment.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

It’s not really acceptable much above the age of 12, and definitely not much younger than 12, so if not then, when?

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate He knowingly reversed the gender in question (from that other question) in order to see how parents and others will respond differently (the presumption, I’m assuming, is that people are more uncomfortable with this kind of experimentation in teen boys than girls).

My answer would be the same, @SmashTheState.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

@Simone_De_Beauvoir I understand it now, after he changed negating to negated.

Cruiser's avatar

No….no…NO!!

talljasperman's avatar

would it be more acceptable for 90 year olds… 12 is the right age if any… but it is also their responsibility not to get caught by a parent.

Anemone's avatar

I think it’s fine if they’re all OK with it. If one of the kids is uncomfortable with something, I hope he or she would speak up at the time… or at least chalk it up to a weird experience and not stress about it afterward.

ducky_dnl's avatar

No, I don’t even think mixed parties (boys and girls together) should be doing it. 12 is too young to even be thinking about kissing and slipping tongue and all that jazz. I guess I believe kids should be kids..doing kids things. What happened two “tag you’re it!”, or dressing up like super heroes, playing go-fish or WAR, or something like that. I really believe kids resort to spin the bottle not out of curiosity, but of boredom.

iamthemob's avatar

@ducky_dnl – I’m not saying “No age is too young,” but -

(1) why would you say “I don’t even think mixed parties…should be doing it” – how is this better/worse/different?

(2) Twelve is exactly the age when they are starting to think about this stuff – if not younger. Middle school is very much at least the “kissing” stage.

DominicX's avatar

Well, to me, there is no difference between this and a group of girls doing it. If one is accepted, then so is the other.

As for what I think about it, I have no idea. It sounds awfully awkward. I can’t imagine who would want to; boys at that age are incredibly homophobic. I would’ve loved it, though…man…

absalom's avatar

Of course it’s fine.

@ducky_dnl

kids should be kids..doing kids things. What happened two “tag you’re it!”, or dressing up like super heroes, playing go-fish or WAR, or something like that. I really believe kids resort to spin the bottle not out of curiosity, but of boredom.

Perhaps this is because all the activities you listed are boring. In fact I’ve never known anyone to play go-fish or war except to pass the time and stave off boredom. (That stuff was certainly boring for me at 12 years old, by which point I already knew what I liked sexually and was masturbating to it.)

inthenighttol's avatar

Is it common I’m not sure, I do know some of my friends went with each other to see what it was like but I doubt I’d know if many other people have done it as they would keep it a well kept secret.

Would I allow it to happen :/ I’m really not sure maybe

Buttonstc's avatar

Is it common ? No it’s not common at all. And for a group of boys that age, it just plain stands zero chance of getting off the ground. Why ? Because the first boy to suggest it would be mercilessly ridiculed.

I’ve worked with kids of all ages and this scenario simply wouldn’t fly with any group of boys that age anywhere. It’s a total non-starter.

Dom is absolutely correct and out of all of us, he would be the one to know.

Girls at that age are simply not as homophobic as boys are. And this is a reflection of the culture at large.

When a best selling female pop singer happily proclaims “I Kissed a Girl” and you have Madonna and other famous women kissing each other on TV, girls don’t feel it’s that taboo for them.

And even if they are not the least bit gay or bi, they’re young and many havent yet developed the assertive skills to decline what they perceive as sort of cool. So it just takes one girl more assertive than the rest, to get the ball rolling.

So, while it may not be exactly common for a whole group of girls that age to do this en masse, it’s not necessarily so outlandish for them either.

Boys are a totally different story. But they are also reflecting current cultural mores. There is still such revulsion and disapproval for straight boys to be doing anything that could be perceived as gay.

I’m certainly not praising or endorsing that attitude. I’m just acknowledging that it does exist and very powerfully so.

So the most that people can do is to try to imagine what they would do themselves with a scenario totally in the realm of the impossible.

Perhaps a long long way into the future it might be different (we can hope) but unfortunately it’s not now.

While it’s true that younger generations are becoming increasingly more tolerant and even gay positive, (regarding gay marriage and Armed Forces integration, for instance) there is still a huge gap between what a straight male is willing to tolerate in others and what actions are acceptable for himself to participate in personally.

Unless a boy at that age is a little bit bi, the plain fact is that straight boys wouldn’t be caught dead kissing another boy. Just the thought would make their stomach churn.

Again, I’m not saying it should be that way. I’m merely acknowledging that it is that way for straight boys.

And even tho Dom now openly speaks about how he loves the idea for himself, at 12 yrs old he never would have suggested it. Even tho he knew he was most likely gay by then, he was not yet out. He couldn’t take the risk yet. And it would have been the same for any other bi or gay boys in the group. They wouldn’t be willing to risk suggesting it (for fear of ridicule) and for the straight boys, it would have no appeal whatsoever and wouldn’t occur to them to begin with.

I’m basing my opinion of what a 12 yr old Dom would likely do on his own accounts of how he finally did come out.

If I’ve surmised anything wrongly, I’m sure he’ll correct that :)

So, to answer the original Q. If my 12 yr. old boy told me about a scenario like that and his reactions to it, i would know its a fabrication I’d assume he was most likely gay and using it to gauge my attitudes towards gays in general as well as how I might react to his coming out.

This would be his first attempt to open up a dialogue about being gay and I’d be proud of him for being brave enough to open the subject.

Then we would have a long easy going conversation about how he could live a happy fruitful life as a gay man.

Hopefully he’d feel comfortable enough to begin tackle a few of the numerous questions which had been buzzing around in his head for quite a long time.

augustlan's avatar

As a parent, I’d probably not be overjoyed that my 12 year old was kissing anyone, under any circumstances. However, that would just be my knee-jerk reaction and I’d do my level best to keep that to myself. I know it’s perfectly normal behavior, and I’d reassure the child of that. I’d advise them not to do anything that made them uncomfortable and to not worry about anyone’s sexual orientation at that age.

augustlan's avatar

@Buttonstc I’ve known a couple of straight guys that fooled around with other guys during their younger years. That said, it was always just two of them messing around at a time… not a whole group at once.

Buttonstc's avatar

@AL. You are absolutely right. Some of my gay guy friends have shared stories of similar one on one encounters.

Sometimes it was a fondly remembered mutual experience while other times a total disaster when the other guy was totally straight.

Generally if it happened while younger, (pre-pubescent) even if the other kid realized it just wasn’t his cup of tea, it was like “no harm/no foul”.

But gauging things wrong at an older age had the potential for major trauma wondering if the straight kid would tell anybdy else. That was an iffy thing which could go either way.

No small wonder that every gay person who eventually comes out describes how enormous the sense of relief. Not having to worry about who will tell what.

But it would never happen in a group situation at all. Gay kids certainly aren’t stupid :) They know full well what reaction they would get.

Age 12 is a bit too young to be faced with having to leave town :)

ducky_dnl's avatar

@absalom I believe that 12 is too young and there are other things kids can do for fun. I don’t think 12 year olds need to be doing that. They have all the time in the world. I’m sorry but I believe kids should be kids for as long as it can be drawn out. By playing games like that parents are basically sending the message “you’re young, you’re horny, do whatever you want.” Kissing is a special thing. Not some let me kiss you because of a game thing. It needs to be reserved.

absalom's avatar

@ducky_dnl

Then we simply disagree on everything.

How old are you?

ducky_dnl's avatar

@absalom I’m eighteen. That doesn’t affect my opinion, imho. I agree to disagree with you.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

@ducky_dnl Everything affects one’s opinion – age, sex, class, race, religion, etc. It’s ok, everyone has it, and it doesn’t mean your opinion is any less valid, it’s just important to keep in mind.

ratboy's avatar

What the hell has happened to our children? At twelve years old, my friends and I would never thought of kissing one another—we played good old-fashioned games like circle jerk.

MRSHINYSHOES's avatar

If they’re all comfortable with it and are enjoying it, why not? Boys at that age are immature and love to experiment, play jokes, and act silly. I don’t see any harm in that.

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