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(Kindly read the details before answering) How much energy would be actually required for a 1 kg object to reach the speed of light in a vacuum?

Asked by krrazypassions (1355points) May 12th, 2011

Given:
1) Lets say we have a an object A with a mass of 1kg (at rest)-(mass of 1 kg is assumed so that we can calculate a definite amount of required energy)
2) we want it to travel at the speed of light ( c ) in empty space (vacuum).
3) In this experiment, we will be increasing our speed in equal increments, so that after n equal increments, our speed will be c.

Part A
According to relativity theory, as we tend closer to c, for an earthly observer,
a) the mass of A will increase- and hence the energy required to increase the speed of this heavier A will also have increased.
b) But then, the mass of the fuel being used will also have increased. Therefore (by E=mc^2), wouldn’t the energy that can be generated from that fuel also be larger, and therefore can possibly satisfy the increased energy requirement!

Part B
Also, for an observer in frame of reference of A,
a) the mass of A will still be 1 kg only
b) the energy required to increment its speed in equal amounts will be constant for all increments. And hence, the mass of fuel required to do this will also be some constant value.

Thus, if we need M mass of fuel for one increment in the speed of A, and if we need a total of n equal increments to reach the speed of light c, the total mass of fuel required will be nM. So we can carry n fuel-packs* of mass M and use up one fuel-pack for every increment.

Gist of the question:
Hence, wont this actual required mass and energy be a finite and not-very-large value after all,
because even though energy required to accelerate the increasingly massive object A will be increasing from an earthly observer’s perspective,
the mass of the fuel and energy produced from it will also be increasing from an earthly observer’s perspective to be a very large value, and would therefore succeed at attaining speed of light using finite energy!

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14 Answers

hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

Infinite. Full stop. Sorry, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

krrazypassions's avatar

i understand everyone says its infinite. But the details i presented seem to give the solution. Can you please point out the flaw?

hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_rocket

Rockets (except for the purely theoretical photon rocket) do not work by converting fuel into energy into kinetic energy, so E=mc^2 doesn’t apply here. And if it did, the m you use is rest mass.

krrazypassions's avatar

but A’s frame of reference isn’t m going to be 1 kg and therefore energy required to accelerate it be constant for every increment too? and hence, the mass of fuel required will also remain the same for every increment?

krrazypassions's avatar

wouldn’t it be infinite for us earthly observers only?

hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

Well, from the point of view of passengers onboard the spacecraft, you can theoretically go as fast as you want as the universe Lorentz-contracts in the direction of travel.

krrazypassions's avatar

@hiphiphopflipflapflop thanks, i appreciate your response :)

mattbrowne's avatar

Why not ask for 99.99% light speed for a one kg object?

ragingloli's avatar

It can only be infinite, as you approach c, the mass of the object will approach infinity. It does not really matter if you start with 1t, 1kg or 1g. Any object with mass travelling at c will have infinite mass, to accelerate it to c will thus require infinite energy.

I do wonder though if we could do it if we reduced to object’s mass to absolute 0.

krrazypassions's avatar

@ragingloli What is your take on the argument presented in the detail of the question? Why aren’t we considering the fact that in the frame of reference of the object A, its mass remains constant no matter what speed it is moving at?

ragingloli's avatar

Also, you are assuming that the increase in mass with increase in velocity is only true for an outside observer, which I do not think is true.

krrazypassions's avatar

Well, you know about Time Dilation- if i am moving fast, my clock will appear to be ticking slowly to you if you are at rest or at low speeds. But for me, my clock will be ticking normally!
Similarly, my mass will be larger to you, but it will remain normal from my point of view. I believe that’s stated clearly in the theory of relativity.

quarkquarkquark's avatar

@krrazypassions, it’s easier to understand the content of Special Relativity in the context of time and length dilation; i.e., that you will “appear” infinitely short or “seem” to take x amount of time to travel. But the increase in mass is a real event. The information you need is here. Essentially, relativity makes a number of claims about the substance of the universe and the behavior of spacetime. Time and length dilation and the mass increase are all consequences of this.

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