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Is the code word for blonde, Caucasian female Jennifer Aniston?

Asked by jonsblond (43667points) July 28th, 2011

I was sitting in the doctor’s office waiting room with my daughter today. We were the only white females in the group. A young girl asked her mother when it would be her turn to see the doctor. The mother replied “We’re next, after Jennifer Aniston over there”.

Seriously? I’m really not offended. I would be offended if she had said Joan Rivers. :P

I’m just wondering if it is common to refer to people you don’t know as a certain celebrity. Especially people of a different race. If my daughter had asked me the same question, I wouldn’t have said “We’re after Beyonce”.

wtf?

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Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

Not that I know of. I think that’s just prejudicial is all. Loads of people do this. I’ve heard some white people refer to a black woman as Aunt Jemima.

Schroedes13's avatar

I usually refer to my closest male co-workers friends here in China as Jackie Chan. They call me Ben Affleck. It’s awesome.

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

She resented your looks, in a jealous way. She was trying to demean you.

chyna's avatar

Not sure, but it does seem as if jealousy was out there.

Jude's avatar

I’d be offended. Wtf? Why say that? It’s obvious that you can hear her.

SpatzieLover's avatar

Another example of: People say weird shit.

cookieman's avatar

Further proof that some people are the whole dick.

Schroedes13's avatar

Thinking about it more, I think it’s bad that she said it to someone she didn’t know at all. I would only use it with my good friends who I knew were open to racial jokes.

marinelife's avatar

I think that is weird.

jaytkay's avatar

No, there is no widely accepted “code word”.

Blackberry's avatar

It was racial prejudice. I’ve heard some black guys refer to white women as “Beckys”, or “Tiffanys”, and I’ve also heard the name Simone said.

Schroedes13's avatar

Role Models is pretty funny when the black kid refers to Paul Rudd as Ben Affleck.

tinyfaery's avatar

Jennifer Aniston is blond?

Jude's avatar

Dirty blond?

woodcutter's avatar

The only white females in the group, get it? For some, it’s easier to be shitty if they think the others will support them in some way because they assume they have more in common with them even if it is only race. It’s like they under estimate each others capabilities to see their comment was shitty. ” They’re sistahs they get it”, but I’m betting some of those sistahs were rolling their eyes at the dumbass.

ZEPHYRA's avatar

Could it perhaps not have meant any of this? Perhaps you reminded her a bit of Jen and that’s all there is to it?

jonsblond's avatar

@ZEPHYRA Possibly. That’s why I asked the question. I’m just curious what others think. Like I mentioned, I wasn’t offended, I just thought it was weird. It’s not something I would have said to my daughter.

woodcutter's avatar

Do you resemble her at all, other than being white? Maybe to her all white girls look the same. We weren’t there to hear the tone of the comment. That would give it more of a meaning, or lack of. The word’s “over there” seems as if it was meant for your consumption if you were right there and was said loud enough to make it unmistakably addressed to you, in an offhanded way. And the fact she’s telling a minor child, in public…way to go mom, showing a young mind you can just pop off to anyone you want, when you feel like categorizing someone.
She may have just had a bug up her ass that day.

woodcutter's avatar

Maybe she’s busted her man biting on white chicks and it’s their fault but not his. You white hussies.

jonsblond's avatar

@woodcutter The room was full of children under 5 waiting for immunizations. It was a blast in there. ;)

Coloma's avatar

That’s just weird. The woman sounds like a nut.

woodcutter's avatar

@jonsblond They were there for shots? When kids hear others crying and screaming in the back it’s a blast? I hated those when I was little, still do.

JLeslie's avatar

I have to say it made me laugh a little when I read the question. I have never heard that before.

woodcutter's avatar

Jenifer Anniston is easy on the eyes but still.

JLeslie's avatar

I wanted to add that Jennifer Aniston is not bad. It could have been Ann Coulter, especially if you are blond. I think in my neck of the woods they would have picked a right winger to describe a white female in a room full of black people who don’t have much tact. LOL.

woodcutter's avatar

@JLeslie Actually that makes more sense. She may have meant that and got them mixed up. It could happen.

jonsblond's avatar

I’m glad I’m not a redhead. I’m assuming Carrot Top would have been my nickname?

joking

JLeslie's avatar

@woodcutter Oh God, I am pretty sure you are calling the woman stupid. LOL.

@jonsblond I think we should ask on facebook. Did you send this question to facade and some of our other African American Jellies who might be in the know?

jonsblond's avatar

@JLeslie I didn’t mention anything on Facebook. I’m wondering if this woman’s response had more to do with her age than anything. I imagine if it had been someone older the child would have been told in a more respectful manner that her time with the doctor would come, and Jennifer Aniston would have nothing to do with her wait.

_zen_'s avatar

I think it’s cute – and just a slice of life. Some people simply live vicariously through celebrities, TV and the media. You might say – we’re after her, the one who… or if you had added “who looks like” would it have made that much of a difference? I think it’s a way of speaking – see ya later, Kojak.

jonsblond's avatar

@zen Would it have been so cute if I had told my daughter she had to wait for Beyonce’s turn? I think I may have gotten a few dirty looks at the least.

just a question, I seriously don’t give a shit

Schroedes13's avatar

@jonsblond YOU SHOULD HAVE! Tit for tat! That’s what I say! lol

jonsblond's avatar

@Schroedes13 I’m a lover not a fighter. I don’t like to start shit with people. Not my style. =)

Schroedes13's avatar

@jonsblond But sometimes it’s fun!

_zen_'s avatar

@jonsblond Now your sub-question is talking about racism… which makes it even more interesting and deserving of its own question. Me, I’m colour-blind – both literally and figuratively, so I wioud have treated it the same for Tina Charles or Tina Turner. Feel me?

JLeslie's avatar

@jonsblond You can’t do it. Maybe you can do it in response, like a tit for tat; but if you had said something like that out of the blue, I don’t think the black people in the room would have had a sense of humor about it. Even on this thread a lot of white people don’t see any humor in what she said regarding you.

rooeytoo's avatar

It sounds to me as if it were a racist slur. And I am sure if you had used the same line with Beyonce interjected, someone would have stood up and start screaming about racism.

This is always my complaint, racism only seems to count when a white person is saying it, anyone non white says what they want and someone may protest but it’s never really as big a deal as vice versa.

Schroedes13's avatar

@rooeytoo Go to Times Square or other various parts of NYC and listen to the Black Jews. You’ll get an awesome taste of Black Supremacy.

rooeytoo's avatar

@Schroedes13 – I don’t have to go to Times Square, it is everywhere, it simply isn’t acknowledged. Where I live there are dozens of federally funded health clinics devoted exclusively to one group of people. If there were a clinic that put out a sign that said white people only, all hell would break loose.

I am always an equalist for race, gender, etc. so I find it very upsetting and as a taxpayer, annoying!

ucme's avatar

If a dwarf was in the room I very much doubt anyone would have said “We’re after the Oompah Loompah.”
Massive offence would almost certainly have been caused. Seems to me this lady was at best being clumsy or at worst being downright rude.

JLeslie's avatar

It’s different because to the white person we find it rude. To the black person, or whatever minority, it conjures up many many more feelings, because of their history. When everyone feels really equal, then it will be the same. It won’t matter when everyone is equal, they have to feel equal, and not feel on the defense, or that they have to watch their back, be afraid.

@rooeytoo I don’t like it either, devoting a clinic or college grants or whatever to one group. But, again you cannot do it for white people because they have been the oppressors, and have been in power, have more power, and have higher status socioeconomically. Of course this is a huge generalization, but that is how the statistical averages work out economically. I think help should be based on need, not race, so I am right with you believe me, from a logical standpoint. I think separating out minorities for help or for anything just maintains separations.

jaytkay's avatar

@rooeytoo Are you saying there are clinics where whites are not allowed?

Plucky's avatar

I’ve never heard it like that before. I think she was intentionally insulting you.

martianspringtime's avatar

I sure hope not, because I’m a caucasian female and I’ve been blonde, but I’ve never been or wanted to be represented by Jennifer Aniston.

rooeytoo's avatar

@jaytkay – Well the sign on the front door says a specific group of which I am not a member. Now I suppose I could walk in there and see what happens.

@JLeslie – from what I can see, it adds fuel to the feelings of racism that many feel. And from my personal experience it does more harm than good to those it is supposed to be helping to become less oppressed. I know many will argue, but based on what I saw happening every day for six years, being oppressed is more a state of mind than of reality. It is a crutch that is used to manipulate. It is the old you can lead a horse to water syndrome. People have to want to change their plight, no one can do it for them.

JLeslie's avatar

@rooeytoo We agree I think. I feel there is much less racism than what is in the mind of some minorities. They create their world in a way, but at the same time are a victim of the real world they live in.

When I say we cannot have a place for whites, I am not saying there should be a place for minorities, I think we are both saying better not to designate or discriminate at all.

Although, I admit now that I live around more racism and more divisions socio-economically among the different races (more specificxally blacks and whites where I live now) I am more confused than ever on the topic, and how to fix things.

rooeytoo's avatar

@JLeslie – It is agreed that you don’t tell anyone they are too dumb or too fat, etc. because it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. I think the same is true of continually telling people they are not succeeding because they are oppressed, that they are being discriminated because of their skin color, whatever. The fact is when anyone needs a plumber, they don’t say I want a white plumber, they don’t give a damn what color the plumber is as long as they stop the toilet from overflowing. The same is true of a brain surgeon, if you have a brain tumor, you want the person with the steadiest hands, not the whitest one. Anyone who has enough cash can buy the house beside me anywhere I have ever lived. Education is available for everyone, brilliant achievers can come out of crappy schools, and dopes can come out of fantastic ones. The bottom line is, yougottawanna. I lived in this for the last 6 years. Some people progressed, some chose to stay in the muck. They all had the same opportunities. I am a short white female, all stores put the petite sizes on the top shelf, I am discriminated against because my size is not as prevalent as sizes for folks of average height. I can stand there and weep and wring my hands in despair or I can go look for a bloody stool or stick to get the stuff down. Simplistic but not that much different.

Bottom line, more sympathy and more sitting down money isn’t going to help, education is what is needed and if the kids don’t go to school, cut off the welfare. The kids won’t starve which is the usual argument, feed them at school, that fixes that.

JLeslie's avatar

@rooeytoo Interesting suggestion if the kids don’t go to school, cut of the welfare. I am going to think about that. The only problem I see with it, is sometimes even when the parents do things right, the kids don’t do as they should. But, at first glance it seems like a good suggestion. I guess someone would argue it penalizes people with children.

About telling people they are too dumb or too fat, I think this way also, it becomes a self fufilling prophecy. Fairly recently there was an argument toremove classes about slavery in the Texas schools, maybe segregation too, I am not sure really, but it was basically about removing from the text books and lesson plans history regarding race relations. Many people were up in arms about it, stating it is likentrying to bury the painful truth, that white people don’t want the ugly truth out. But, I thought to myself, what does learning all of that do to the psyche of the black child? Now, I knew fairly young that my people had been sent to the ovens during Hitler less than 30 years before my birth, but the children I played with were not those people who had done the deed. What I concluded was I think it has to be taught, but not at a very young age. Ironic we are talking about this, because just three days ago I was talking to a gentleman at my gym, and he was telling me a story, which I will not bore you with, and he told me his grandaughter in second grade learned about slavery. I was a little shocked. It seems so young to me.

My husband is Mexican born and raised, and I don’t think he ever thinks of himself as a minority when he applies for a job, meets people, name it. His last name is not Hispanic, so they would never know from a resume anyway, although he is fluent in Spanish obviously. He doesn’t have some sort of tape playing in his head wondering what the other person is thinking, do they notice his accent, etc. I agree his attitude of believing no one will care about those things, means in fact no one does.

OpryLeigh's avatar

I have never heard anything like this before and I think it’s rude to refer to someone in such a manner when they are in earshot. Regardless of whether she meant it in a racist way, it sounds very condescending. What a crappy attitude to teach her child.

JLeslie's avatar

@Leanne1986 So its better to say it behind closed doors? I realize you probably think it is wring to say no matter what, but seriously would you rather have these things out in the open, or only said in private?

OpryLeigh's avatar

@JLeslie It shouldn’t be said at all but if she is going to say such a thing then she could at least be discreet about it.

JLeslie's avatar

@Leanne1986 I never know what I think about these things. If everyone feels safe and equal, I think it is easily a funny thing to say. Being extremely offended by the statement is probably more than just thinking it is rude. I agree it is probably better not to say such a thing at all, because it is the same as saying all Asians look alike, or some sort of dismissive remark about an entire group. I wonder what would have happened if @jonsblond had asked, “are you talking about me?” And then laughed, “is that some sort of secret code for white girl?” Maybe everyone would have laughed. Or, maybe the black woman would have been horrified to be questioned, or worried about what the white girl might do.

OpryLeigh's avatar

@JLeslie This type of thing wouldn’t horribly offend me but (and I am only guessing as, like someone else said, unless you can hear the tone in which someone says something, you can’t be sure how it was meant) I would think to myself that it was rude. I would love to know how the black lady would have reacted if @jonsblond had acknowledged the comment!

chyna's avatar

The guy that used to mow my grass referred to the rich white women in my area that he also mowed their grass, as Barbies. As in Barbie and Ken. I asked him one day why he referred to them as Barbies and he said they all were rich, white, had perfect houses, perfect cars, all fake like Barbie.

JLeslie's avatar

@Leanne1986 I agree it is rude. But, I also found it funny.

JLeslie's avatar

@chyna I use that term too! Holy shit, I did not even think of that. I have a story where I talk about my neighbor who filled out an application to get her son into a magnet elementary school. The school had minority quotas, and so she marked the app African American. Then I ususally say…she looks like barbie…but she is African, born and raised, until moving to the states in her late teens. I describe blond women with great figures like that. Which brings me to another point, Jennifer Anniston is not blond, she is Brunnette, unless she recently she blonded up, still she is known as a brown haired girl, at least to us white folk. LOL. My husband’s family used to call me blond when I had a few highlights in my hair, but to me I was most definitely a brunette. But, I guess to a Mexican I was blond. Which is why I brought up the analogy earlier about all Asians looking alike (I don’t think that, but it is a saying, and studies have been done to show people have difficulty defining features in races other then themselves).

jonsblond's avatar

I know she is brunette, but uses blond highlights. This photo makes her look blond to me. I can see how others might consider her blond too. A fake blond, that is. ;)

I agree with @Leanne1986, I think it’s a bad example to teach her children. If the woman was just talking to friends, I can understand that, but she’s teaching her child that it’s ok to make statements like this in front of people they don’t know. It’s about teaching a child how to be respectful.

JLeslie's avatar

I have to agree in front of children, very very bad example. So then I am thinking, bad all around. I always lean towards if we don’t want our children to do it, probably we should not be doing it either.

OpryLeigh's avatar

@JLeslie It is a bit funny, I agree!

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@jonsblond Wonder how many tracks she has sewn in her hair? LOL LOL

I have never heard that. I have never hear any code for Caucasian women less “snow bunnies”, or “Gray girls”, then that might be for older people, the younger ones might have their own jargon.

JLeslie's avatar

What is a Gray Girl?

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

I never understood the phrase, I took it as how Caucasuions appeared in B/W film or something, but that was a phase uses.

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