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Why are religious people against homosexual people?

Asked by pcmonkey (424 points ) August 3rd, 2011

Why are religious people against LGBT?

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ucme's avatar

Because they’re stuck in the dark ages? Ducks head.

answerjill's avatar

Your question is based on a pretty broad assumption…

kingpinlovesyou's avatar

It says so in their religious book and of course not all are

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DominicX's avatar

@pcmonkey

He’s saying that you’re assuming religious people are against homosexuality, when that is not always the case.

Also, though you say “religious people”, that usually refers to Abrahamic religions and doesn’t take into account Hinduism and other religions.

Why some Christians and Jews are against homosexuality is because of certain lines in the Bible which seem to indicate God’s disapproval of homosexuality. Most notably: Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, Romans 1:27, etc.

Bill_Lumbergh's avatar

“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.” – Leviticus 18:22
“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” – Leviticus 20:13

pcmonkey's avatar

@DominicX , Oh, I understand.. And I also looked over those verses. And what I don’t understand if that God is against death and hate, then why would that be put in His book. Doesn’t he love everyone. Even those who are attracted to the same gender. I am religious and am not exactly for gays but not against them. And @answerjill, I wasn’t assuming all religious people are against them.

DominicX's avatar

@pcmonkey

Doesn’t he love everyone.

Good question. A significant part of why I essentially abandoned my Christian upbringing.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

They shouldn’t be. And neither is God, as per what the Bible teaches.

God is not against the person. God is against sin.

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

The way that it was explained to me is this: A lot of the verses in the Old Testament were eradicated when Jesus came. He gave the laws of the New Testament, which basically wiped out the laws from the Old Testament (which contains Leviticus, probably one of the more controversial and shocking parts of the Bible, overall.)
However, the things discussed in these laws are still considered to be abominations, the punishments have just changed in the New Testament.
You run into problems with the word “abomination,” itself, because there is a lot of controversy surrounding what exactly it was intended to mean. It has been suggested that it simply meant that it wasn’t the norm.

Anyhow, the Bible is up for interpretation. Bigtime. Otherwise there wouldn’t be room for so many branches of Christianity. People love to have reasons to hate or fear anything that is different, and religion gives some damn good excuses for people to do exactly that.

Blackberry's avatar

Of course all aren’t against homosexuality, but some are because they are of lower intelligence and gain moral teachings from a really old, useless book. There is also fear (from what I assume is false information about AIDS and being raped).

Ok, maybe not of lower intelligence, but of lower critical thinking skills.

Adirondackwannabe's avatar

Some aren’t, some have been tolerant. If you look long enough you can find zealots for just about any cause.

SpatzieLover's avatar

The Bible was written by men. Just like man, biblical interpretations are fallible.

Not all people that have religion judge others.

DominicX's avatar

@pcmonkey

Because homosexuality doesn’t harm anyone, like killing and stealing do. The men who wrote the Bible had problems with homosexuality most likely because it was unusual, uncommon, and in some cultures, associated with pederasty and abuse. Not to mention not everyone in America is a Christian and we don’t care about “sin”.

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ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

@pcmonkey no one knows for sure. That’s the big problem. No one can go back in time and ask Jesus what he really thought, so what we have is a book that was written long after Jesus died, and has influenced countless people over the years…. and the whole thing is really vague.

DominicX's avatar

@pcmonkey Yes, some people do. Evidently not enough to make homosexuality as condemned as it is in some African and Middle Eastern nations.

gailcalled's avatar

Jesus’s beliefs were codified and transcribed by men who lived after he died. So, no one knows whose opinions your are getting.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

First off, not all people of religion are against homosexuals. I do not say homosexuals are less than whore mongers, serial adulterers, murderers, etc. I don’t hate gays, I am just not down with the sin I believe they are committing by definition of my Bible. It is not worse or better sin than fornicators, thieves, etc.

Doesn’t he love everyone. Even those who are attracted to the same gender. I am religious and am not exactly for gays but not against them. God does love us all, that is why He gave us a way to be redeemed by the blood of Christ. He can love us sinners but he don’t and won’t love our sin.

pcmonkey's avatar

What I had read is something about some Muslims and Jews believe that it involves sexual interaction without creating life? But what I heard from some of you is because the writers where against it because of how uncommon and unusual it was back then. And then all of that was wiped out when Jesus came because maybe he was some how for it? Well not for it but not exactly against it.

DominicX's avatar

@pcmonkey

No one’s really clear on what the original opposition to homosexuality was. I’d guess that the fact that it was non-procreative, uncommon, and otherwise unusual in regard to what was supposed to happen between men and women in order to have children and pass on lines all lead to it being condemned by early religious writers. But it’s not clear. People can only guess.

There are some lines in the Bible that indicate that Jesus’ new covenant abolished the old laws of the New Testament, such as those contained within Leviticus. Others say Leviticus was made for the Ancient Israelites and it really isn’t meant to be followed today. Others say only certain laws were revoked, but others are still kept (such as the Ten Commandments).

If you’re looking for One Right Answer about opposition to homosexuality, there simply isn’t one. It’s a complex issue and numerous theories and speculation.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

Somehow this discussion has turned from Homosexuals to Homosexuality.

I’m just explaining this from a biblical perspective.

Homosexuals are people. God is not against people. Homosexuality is an act. God is against certain acts which are deemed as sinful.

A sinful act is anything which cannot sustain itself upon its own merit.
_________

Jesus did not come to replace the Mosaic Law or the Ten Commandments. He came to fulfill them. Being the only person in history that never broke any of those doctrines, that allows him to put forth a new Commandment, “to love one another”.

Technically, trusting in Christ as one’s personal Savior who died for all sins of every human in history past, present and future, there is no longer any sin which will justify a person going to hell… (aside from blaspheming the Holy Spirit).

To make sense of any of this, one must come to terms with what a “Jesus Christ” and what a “God” actually are. Jesus only made one direct comment about that. “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life”… Basically, accept the Way of Truth and Live (spiritually Live). The Way of Truth is any act which can sustain itself upon its own merit.

Christians typically get the message of Christ completely messed up.

Jesus did not come to make bad people turn good.

Jesus came so that dead people could receive life… spiritual life. His entire message is one of encouraging the spiritually dead to find rebirth in spiritual life. This is accomplished by accepting the way of truth, rather than the way of deception.

poisonedantidote's avatar

It’s all about survival.

Religions are the works of primite clans, if you study any religious text, it is not long until you start to find rules that would benefit the survival of the clan, usually at the cost of freedom.

Take the bible for example…

The bible forbids the eating of pork and shellfish, because 2000 years ago, most people who ate pork and shellfish dropped dead. When your clan members die, your clan is weaker than before, and more open to attack from other clans.

Homosexuality does not produce children, this hurts the clan, it’s just that simple really.

Most religions forbid killin other clan members, but have no problem with you killing people from other clans/religions. Again, killing your clan members is bad for you.

Had the authors of the bible lived today, leviticus would have nothing to say about eating pork or porking guys.

EDIT:

same reason catholics dont like condoms

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

@poisonedantidote has a really good point. The religions with the most staying power also adhere to laws that encourage lots and lots of new followers.
Shakers, for example, are strict believers in celibacy. Not a whole lot of them hanging around nowadays.
Catholicism, however, traditionally preaches against birth control (aside from abstinence)... and they are pretty abundant.

Hibernate's avatar

Take the statement and read it from the end. And you’ll end up with another statement that is almost the same. Homosexuals do not like/enjoy the presence of religious people either. And there shouldn’t be any reason here. It’s just like cats and mice or cats and dogs. Sure there are those who get along but if you sum it up they won’t like each other anytime soon because they are too different.

Not gonna bother saying what the Bible states here just be clear none of the categories listed in the question will try and make peace with the other. And the Bible is gentle on this subject while the Qur’an considers homosexuality to be a blasphemy.

Nullo's avatar

God says that sex is a man-and-woman thing a few times in the Bible. Do note that we’re not against homosexual people, so much as we’re against them behaving homosexually. We see it as just another sinful behavior.

There are non-Christian religions (and apostate Christian denominations) out there that are not so picky.

DominicX's avatar

@Hibernate

I’ve met plenty of homosexual religious people in my time. It’s pretty erroneous to assume that homosexuals and religious people are natural enemies who never have anything to do with each other. Many times they are one and the same.

The Bible isn’t too “gentle” on it in regards to Leviticus 20:13…

Hibernate's avatar

Dear @DominicX . Those who are homosexual will either stop being that way and change to become religious. Or those religious people stopped being religious and went on the homosexual path. There the other side too , where they try to combine the both and in the end they only make a mess in their life.

A true religion cannot be combined with homosexuality or that religion isn’t a religion at all only a wannabe.

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Blackberry's avatar

Geezus @Hibernate…....Where are you from?!

SpatzieLover's avatar

I know plenty of gay Catholics @Hibernate. They have religion and their sexuality.

Hibernate's avatar

@DominicX you either disagree with me or you agree with me.

@Blackberry it doesn’t matter.

@SpatzieLover and you know their life is only a mess. Can’t combine any god with homosexuality and live a normal life. Oh wait .. I go to a church in the morning and in the evening I forget about god and do whatever I want to. I’ll manipulate my god into making him/her see I’m okay with this.

You either let you life to be governed by a god and follow that path OR you let your life to be governed by your sexuality.

Blackberry's avatar

@DominicX When you said that, I automatically thought of this.

Blackberry's avatar

I’m baffled.

SpatzieLover's avatar

@Hibernate I do not presume to know anything about anyone else’s life. I do not judge anyone based on their sex life, love life or their lifestyle. Period.

chyna's avatar

@pcmonkey What I had read is something about some Muslims and Jews believe that it involves sexual interaction without creating life? That is an interesting theory, but then why would God have made barren women? Sarah, wife of Abraham was unable to have children and Abraham was one of the most important men in the old testament. Romans 4:19.
A lot of people on this thread have made some great answers/observations.

Hibernate's avatar

I did not say I judge them. I simple stated they can’t combine both and be okay with it.

And since the question asks “why are RELIGIOUS people… ” I would believe he expects responses from religious people not from those who’s lives aren’t governed by anything. But look, the others gang when they do not like what they read. I did not say I know what others are thinking/doing all the time.

SpatzieLover's avatar

You did judge “them” @Hibernate. You said you know their life is only a mess. Can’t combine any god with homosexuality and live a normal life…That’s a judgment.

Homosexuals were created by the same God. I don’t believe in a God that makes errors.

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

@Hibernate again, just because a person isn’t religious doesn’t mean that they are uneducated about religion. We’ve been over this, I’ve shown you the studies to back it up.
No matter how you slice it, the Bible is up for interpretation. No one knows, beyond a shadow of a doubt, what Jesus really meant. We have a version of the story told long after he died, and at this point it is up for speculation. People take meaning from it, but that doesn’t change the fact that we don’t know.

Hibernate's avatar

It’s one thing to be “somewhat” educated or know a few interpretations of certain matters from the Bible and it’s another thing to be RELIGIOUS. I never said anything about speculations here.

I’m curious though how much replies over the “Homosexuality is a blasphemy” I’ll get. I want ti see how many studied the Qur’an around. Maybe this way people will see it takes a lot more except hearing here and there a few things.

@SpatzieLover that wasn’t a judgement. I want you to show me one example of a person who’s homoxesual and religious at the same time and can combine them both equally.
The same God created the angels that started the rebellion. And one isn’t God to know why He did things this way. There might be mistakes but we cannot understand them. We are humans and we only think as humans.

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

@Hibernate it isn’t about “somewhat” educated. Think what you want, but the simple truth is that the big picture shows that atheists and agnostics as a whole are better educated about religion than religious people are, in general. Period. This is not an opinion. Which means that non-religious people of multiple backgrounds are just as qualified to answer questions like this as those that practice.

poisonedantidote's avatar

@Hibernate Gays can’t be pastafarians either, because pasta is full of carbs, and who needs that on their hips.

lillycoyote's avatar

@ANef_is_Enuf Jesus didn’t actually say anything about homosexuality, not a single word, nada, not anything recorded in the Gospels, at least. And if, as some Christians believe, the bible is the inerrant word of God, the lack of any preaching or mention of homosexuality by Jesus, or the lack any record of him hanging out with homosexuals, and Jesus hung out with society’s outcasts, is conspicuous in its absence, I think.

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

@lillycoyote oh, right, yes, I agree. I just meant in general.

josie's avatar

I think your premise is not totally accurate.

I don’t think religious people are against gay people. Some religious people think that marriage is a religious ceremony that binds a man and woman, and to that extent they oppose the notion of gays using the word marriage.

Most of my friends are atheist, like me, and discussions about homosexuality never have a religious context.

My not so numerous religious friends are pretty much live and let live, but some of them wish gays would find a different word to describe their union.

filmfann's avatar

I am Christian and have no issue with LGBT, and I have lots of Christian friends who don’t either.
Not all Christians are dicks.

plethora's avatar

Christians range from extremely liberal to extremely conservative on pretty much any subject you can mention, including, especially, homosexuality.

lillycoyote's avatar

@filmfann and @plethora are absolutely right. I am an unapologetic, unrepentant apostate, deisty-theisty kind of, and most certainly no defender of the faith but why do voices of reason like theirs always get lost in the noise and ignorance? Not all Christians, not all religious people are brain-washed, critical thinking impaired idiots, not all are dicks and not all believe the same thing or can be categorized in the same way or said to think or believe in the same things or all lumped together in any way or the same things said about all and each and everyone of them or in any other way stereotyped or all painted with the same brush.

MacBatman31's avatar

The little book of fairy tales tells them that homosexuality is bad, and in most cases, it’s true that religious people don’t approve of homosexuality.
As for @Hibernate, I have a friend who is homosexual and religious, I just asked him, and he said his life isn’t a mess. Good job on generalizing and being quite insulting. I’m with @Blackberry as for being baffled that someone actually thinks that way.

plethora's avatar

I’m just curious why the focus is so specifically on Christianity. Could any religion be more opposed to homosexuality than Islam? And ready to deal the death penalty for its practice?

Blackberry's avatar

@plethora I think it’s only because Fluther is mostly people from the U.S.

MRSHINYSHOES's avatar

Maybe because religious people are also usually very conservative people with very rigid thinking patterns, and, following their religious scriptures/books (eg., the Bible, the Koran), which are anti-homosexual in their writings, they stick with believing and preaching those things.

GladysMensch's avatar

Yes, Leviticus speaks to homosexuality (in the English translated version). However, some argue that the true meaning references men laying with boys… not other men. Regardless, Leviticus is chock full of ideas that are completely ignored by those who often quote it to justify their homophobia. Examples:

Leviticus 19:27 reads “You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard.”

Leviticus 11:8, which discusses pigs, reads “You shall not eat of their flesh nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.”

Leviticus 19:28 reads, “You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord.”

Leviticus 11:10 reads, “But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you.”

And my personal favorite:
Leviticus 19:19 reads, “You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.”

So according to Leviticus you can’t shave, have a bowl-cut, eat bacon, touch an original football, have tattoos, eat lobster, grow pumpkins in the same field as corn, or wear a poly-cotton t-shirt.

plethora's avatar

@MRSHINYSHOES “Religious” people are usually the more liberal of believers. More conservative believers in the Bible would often be insulted to be called “religious”. As far as Christianity is concerned the spectrum of liberal to conservative is extremely broad, so much so that any generalization is misleading.

MRSHINYSHOES's avatar

@plethora To say that religious people are the more “liberal believers” is like saying that someone is a “Conservative Democrat”. To me, it’s an oxymoron. Lol.

Pandora's avatar

Why is it always assumed that only religious people have any kind of bias? Especially Christians. People are always going to find a reason to dislike anyone they feel uncomfortable with that is away from what they consider the norm in their world and community. True in some faiths they may be more vocal in their opinions but its like roaches. For everyone you see there are more hiding in the walls.
Its like when I went to the south to live. In New York I would see bias against me everyone once in a while. They would slight me in a vague manor so I wasn’t sure how they felt about my race.
In the south, I found they made it clear if I was unwelcomed because of my race. I didn’t feel I needed to understand why they were biased against me but I will say it was refreshing always knowing where I stood. In the city, I never knew for sure in which direction the knife was coming from because they tried not to be politically incorrect.
But I knew inside many where screaming, Hey Puerto Rican girl, we already hid all the expensive stuff and we are hoping you didn’t bring a knife.
My point is why try to understand where they are coming from. The word unignorant doesn’t exist for a reason.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

My, my, lets see where to start. The part about atheist knowing more about religion than people of faith. They might know more about the tenets of religion or the history but they don’t seem up to speed on God. God is the force behind many religions but He is not the religion.

With that I guess that is why so many atheist want to keep dwelling in the Old Testament. That was specifically for the Jews to keep the bloodline pure for Jesus’ coming. After Christ rose we had a New Testament, that was for all of us, not just the Jews. That is why no one has to take a spotless lamb to the high priest once a year to have their sins covered. Much of the old law was for the Jews, not us today.

I guess it is better to have faith in and believe a government that makes many errors, or science that knows squat when you consider all there is in science, scientist might not even know 6% of it, and they make errors, they are only human and not perfect. I guess perfect enough that people will believe them. Because everything isn’t perfect, we will say it was God so therefore we should not believe him, man is way more worthy to be believed; if you cut out the corruption, jealousy, strife, envy, etc.

What is in the Bible can’t be relied on because it is all interpretation. I guess that would go to much of history. No one here was there, and the history was written in large part by the victors, who certainly left out wrongdoing and atrocities they done on the way to victory. I guess if that was the case one could interpret that murder, rape, slavery, theft, malice, etc was OK, and thus should be able to freely do them against their fellow man.

If you don’t believe the Bible is true, then it would be pointless to try to disprove the untruth in it by using the product of the untruth. If you want to prove the bible as untruth than use an independent source to debunk it. If I have a car repair manual that I believe is wrong the only way I know it is wrong is I have the actual goods or an exterior source to prove it. I can say that is not a tie rod, because I have an actual one right here, or this manual over here shows what and actual tie rod looks like and here it is. If I don’t believe in a time traveling Delorean using the repair manual for it is a non-starter. Why try to point out the flaws in the flux capacitor when I don’t believe in the flux capacitor in the first place?

That being said, it is quite clear, if you think you can embrace homosexuality and be religious I am sure you can find one. However, you might do well being atheist too, I say that because then you won’t believe you will have to explain or answer to the homosexuality. If you believe there is an afterlife, then you would know to avoid it, or if you didn’t, you will have an interesting conversation with God. Homosexuality by definition of the Bible is sin. That doesn’t make the person doing it anymore or less outside of righteousness than a prostitute, thief, idolater, sorcerer, soothsayer, murderer, etc. God loves them all but he don’t love what they do. Those of you with children, have you loved every single thing your children have done?

DominicX's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central

I guess if that was the case one could interpret that murder, rape, slavery, theft, malice, etc was OK, and thus should be able to freely do them against their fellow man.

That doesn’t refute the point that the Bible is up for interpretation. Much of the interpretation comes from the actual Hebrew and Greek words used. If we are to take these writings literally, then we must examine the words used and what it means exactly. In some cases, this is not always clear and it is indeed up for interpretation.

Kardamom's avatar

I’m guessing that you are talking about Christians (only because when most Americans talk about religious people, they’re referring to Christians, because they often don’t even consider that there are other religions in the world, or the fact that more people, due to population and country of origin are not Christians) So for the sake of this question, I’m going to guess that you mean Christians, unless you tell us otherwise.

So the answer is, Chrisitanity is based on faith. Faith means that you are supposed to believe in the doctrine (whatever that may be at any given time in history) without question, whatever your particular faith tells you to believe. But given human nature, people tend to pick and choose what they want to take from their particular religions.

Most Christians in the modern world believe that slavery, and stoning people to death for certain crimes and sins is abhorrent (even though that stuff is in the bible, as being OK) but gays and their homosexuality is scary and icky (and people are afraid that they can catch gayness), so therefore, it’s eaiser to go along with vague or misinterpreted (because of the bible translations from other languages into modern English) phrases and passages in the bible and chalk it up to “the word” or “their religious faith.”

Religious people don’t want to do bad things, it’s just easier to pick the things that seem the ickiest or least understandable to them to go against (rather than simply going against every thing that the bible says to be against).

Hibernate's avatar

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies yes. There are a lot who think of their religion to be true. Those who go to church to have sex. Those who let women preach. Those who preach time is money. there are a lot of other examples.
But I like the way this feels right here.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

Feelings are nothing suitable to base a world view upon. Feelings change like the wind. Feelings are unstable. Fear is a feeling. Anger is a feeling.

Critical thinking is not a feeling. Critical thinking has nothing to do with what a person “likes”. Truth is often disliked.

Hibernate's avatar

You missed the point.

augustlan's avatar

@Hibernate There are plenty of happy, well-adjusted people, with great lives, who are both religious and gay.

Nullo's avatar

@GladysMensch Anything can be made ridiculous if you take it out of its context. A good rule of thumb for Biblical decrees: if it shows up in the Old and New Testaments, it’s probably still valid.
As stated above, the Mosaic Law only applied to ancient Israel. One of its functions was to lay the groundwork for Jesus’ ministry and sacrifice. Once it was no longer entirely necessary for Israel to stand apart (things like not touching pigskin or wearing blended fabric or cutting the hair) the restrictions were lifted (Acts, Ch. 10 for the food, at least). Not a farmer, but I suspect that planting two types of crops in the same field could lead to detrimental competition between them, yielding less of each.

Broadly speaking, the Law may be divided into Civil, Ceremonial, and Moral portions. The Moral ones still hold; the other two, since we are not ancient Israelites, neither are most of us Jewish, do not.

DominicX's avatar

@Nullo

Ah, how convenient. So the part about putting gay people to death still stands, but that crazy part about mixed fabric is done away with…

lillycoyote's avatar

@Nullo So is slavery a moral issue or is that just about property rights for you? Nowhere in the Bible is slavery condemned as the great moral evil that it is; not only is it not condemned, it is approved. Slavery may be one of the greatest evils humans can perpetrate against each other yet it is not condemned in the Bible. The moral aspects of Mosaic law stand? And The New Testament? So slavery is o.k. because the Bible says it’s o.k.? Is that how it works?

mowens's avatar

Gays don’t need your judgment. The Lord above will be the one to judge them as he will judge all of us. What they need from you and me and everyone else in this world is love and tolerance. If anything, they must feel scared and alone and it will take the understanding of their fellow man to help them through. Let’s save judgment for someone much more experienced than us.

Hibernate's avatar

@Nullo don’t try to explain to others because they just did take out of context what you said. The irony is most don’t even bother to understand some answers and just “attack” back.

@mowens indeed Someone else will be the Judge but until then if we tolerate to much we’ll end up loosing what’s left of our faith just because we mixed things too much.

mowens's avatar

@Hibernate How does tolerating others differences make you lose faith? Doesnt religion preach tolarance?

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

Nowhere in the Bible is slavery condemned as the great moral evil that it is; not only is it not condemned, it is approved. What a far reaching stretch. Because slavery was not a thing of Followers and believers so they were not commanded to partake of slavery or if they found themselves to be slaves to obey their masters slavery is de facto accepted because they were never said to condemn it in writing in a Book most don’t believe anyhow. The part by word or context that clearly spells out that men were given over to their lust for unnatural relationships themselves and forsaken natural relations with women is suppose to be misguided or incorrect because the buzz words of today was not used. Nice how people have the ability to _cherry pick” the Bible.

Hibernate's avatar

@mowens I’m not sure what version of the Bible have you been reading. But some things are not tolerated by God and they are mentioned.

1Cor6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts,
1Cor6:10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

And when God does not want them in the forever after happiness that means He does not tolerate them. There’s no place [or written] where we should tolerate them. If God does not tolerate them why should we tolerate them?
i rest my case.

Kardamom's avatar

@Hibernate God? Which God, exactly do you mean? Yours, mine or someone else’s God?

Just because you read some stupid statement in a book, doesn’t make it so. It’s horrible to treat gays with disrepect and disdain in our world. You can do whatever you want when you get to your heaven or any other place that you might end up. Or you might just end up sprinkled back into the earth, like the rest of us. Nobody really knows.

I just think it’s funny that when people talk about God, they’re usually talking about some white, Christian God, even though most of the population of the earth are not Christians. That just floors me.

Plus none of us knows for sure whether or not there is a God, or multiple Gods, or no God. But since we all have to live together during our lifetimes down here on this little planet earth, it’s going to be a much better place to exist if we treat all people, including gay people, with respect and tolerance. I’m sure you tolerate people that are adulterers (there’s many self proclaimed adulterers here on Fluther along with a bunch of alcoholics and people that you think are immoral and/or sexual perverts, simply because you don’t know about it, or simply don’t care about those things. Some of the stuff that men and women do with each other is kind of out there, but no one bats an eyelash about them. It’s only when 2 dudes do it, that it gets people all riled up).

It’s this kind of foolishness, where someone’s book says that we must not tolerate gays, that makes a lot of people think long and hard about the religion that they may have been brought up with and decide to chuck it, because it’s wrong and divisive and makes ordinary people (gays) feel like and be treated like pariahs. Even though those pariahs get up every day and go to work and pay taxes and fall in love and raise families and bake cookies and brush their teeth and have car insurance and donate to food banks and other normal stuff.

If God is like any normal American male (since we were supposed to have been made in his image), he’s probably got his own porn collection which probably includes a few dudes with dudes segments. Or they’re disguised as threesomes, with one woman, but they’re really dudes with dudes. Oh, and I fogot, the gay dudes were also made in God’s image, right?

Hibernate's avatar

@Kardamom the question was about religious people being against homosexuality. If someone else would bother opening another one where they would ask about why Jehovah is against the other aspects you stated I’d gladly respond there too [if the question pops out in QFY or if someone points that question to me].

You do not have to agree with me since you chose not to guide your life according to the Bible.
There’s no way I can explain to you how God exists since you cannot understand it. It’s like when you try to explain how internet works to a dog. You get the point.

And while we are here. I did not disrespect your believes and I believe you just went there and said we choose to believe “stupid statements”. Yet you are still discussing about them. You do not approve them. You do not like them yet you keep condemning them. What’s the deal here? If someone doesn’t like something he doesn’t do it yet I see a lot of attacks to the “word of God” and mainly coming from people who have no idea what it’s saying. Most just speculate over it.

Oh and forgive me I toked the time to answer why, us, the Christians are against homosexuality. Next time when you want to have a debate over this subject I recommend you ask a similar question where you do not want an answer but a debate over this subject.

mowens's avatar

@Hibernate This bible.

Matthew 7:1–5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

Luke 6:37
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

James 4:12
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

John 8:7
And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

Romans 14:1
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions.

Hibernate's avatar

Okay. I’m not gonna say anything about context here. Just as you posted the above do tell me how one should interpret the two verses I posted above.

1Cor6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts,
1Cor6:10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Is it written here “Tolerate those who are…”? or “these categories: ... won’t inherit the kingdom of heaven”.

Tolerance is preached but not in a way where everyone can be free to be as wicked as they want just because it’s called FREEDOM. [of will/of speach/of thinking etc]

mowens's avatar

All I am saying is it is all in how you read it. If you want to hate gay people and you read the bible, you will find reasons to hate them. If you want to love everyone and do good, you will find reasons to do that as well.

Example:

The Quran says NOTHING about hating Americans… yet.. fanatics… read it and say the book told me to! You just have to decide if the bible preaches hatred and judgment, or love and tolerance.

Hibernate's avatar

That I have to say it’s true. It’s all about how one interprets it. But some things are really clear even if they come in conflict with another. In the end the only “law” that should be followed is the “law of love” but even this till some points or else it would become “the law of tolerating everything”.

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