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What can you tell me about The RTR Social Network?

Asked by ETpro (34217 points ) August 12th, 2011

I just got an invitation to jopin. Seems it’s a netowrk of those who want some sort of revolution, but it’s not at all clear what they wish to revolt against or in favor of. Is anyone a member? Any feedback on what these revolutionaries are hoping to turn America in to?

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CaptainHarley's avatar

They’re referring to the Ron Paul “Revolution.” It’s the sort of revolution that re-establishes the original framework and ideals of the American Constitution.

CunningLinguist's avatar

@CaptainHarley The original framework and ideals of the US Constitution included an expectation that the document would be revised to keep up with changing realities. This is why Ron Paul reactionaries are actually anti-American despite thinking that they are trying to reestablish some golden era.

A golden era that, by reverting to the original document, would mean reinstating slavery, allowing the government to forbid voting on the basis of race, taking the election of Senators out of the hands of the American public, and removing checks on Congressional paychecks.

ETpro's avatar

@CunningLinguist Thanks for the heads up. You forgot to mention taking the vote away from women as well. Only white men were citizens able to vote.back in the good old days. And there was no middle class to speak of. 95% of us worked in agriculture. And the USA ought to run just like clockwork on the gold standard with no central banking system of any kind to control money supply as the gross domestic product grows. Here’s a list of countries that currently operate on the gold standard and with no central bank to control currency in any way:
1—.

Well, OK; it isn’t a very long list—but obviously, the whole world is crazy and only Ron Paul libertarians are sane. 18th century policies would work FAR better than 21st century ones? I somehow ifnd that hard to believe

ETpro's avatar

@CaptainHarley Thanks for identifying which revolution they have in mind.

CaptainHarley's avatar

You asked. I explained. I didn’t expect a political polemic. Don’t ask my opinion again, please… EITHER of you.

CunningLinguist's avatar

@ETpro Yes, the list of changes we’d have to make goes on and on. Do you think we’ll have to go back to back to Shield nickels and Draped Bust dimes, too?

@CaptainHarley You volunteered your opinion. No one addressed this question to you. Anyway, I’m a libertarian. I like a lot of Ron Paul’s ideas, but I’ve never been one for cults.

CaptainHarley's avatar

“Cults.” “Cults.” SIGH! : ((

incendiary_dan's avatar

“18th century policies would work FAR better than 21st century ones?”

Identifying and classifying political and social structures based on the year of their origin seems about as useful as categorizing them by color association. I know it played well into your sarcasm, but there’s plenty to legitimately critique about these ideas that you don’t need to rely on the fallacy of progressivism.

CunningLinguist's avatar

@CaptainHarley Yes, there has been a cult built around him. It’s not his fault, but there are people who treat him like a political messiah—because we all know how well that worked out in 2008.

ETpro's avatar

@CaptainHarley I thanked you for your answer. I asked a general question. I didn’t ask you to answer it. You chose to do so. I’m sorry you are offended that I expressed my opinion of the movement, but I am not sorry I did so. I speak my mind. If you are the soprt that can only tolerate conversations with those who echo your own thoughts back to you, it is you who had better avoid answering my questions, because I am going to continue to say what I think. I have a libertarian side to me as well. I just think Ron Paul goes off the deep end with it.

@incendiary_dan I am not pooh-poohing the ways of the 18th century. But short of a complete collapse of the world’s economic system, no one major country can retreat into the 18th century today and remain free for long. We live in a nuclear age, not the days of town malitias using muskets. If we tried to turn the clock back to the Colonial times, we’d soon be occupied by Russia, China or both.

incendiary_dan's avatar

@ETpro Certainly. All I’m saying is that framing discussions or even fragments of one in those terms is counterproductive.

CaptainHarley's avatar

So let me see if I have this right: you’re going to continue to say what you think, but anyone else who says what THEY think had best agree with you or else? Perhaps if you focused more on finding solutions than on simply being snide, you might have more who would like to talk with you.

ETpro's avatar

@CaptainHarley Are you drinking tonight? I said nothing of the sort. You are totally free to express whatever opinion you wish. I have never asked you to shut up. You, sir, asked me to do so. You wrote, “Don’t ask my opinion again, please…” Of course, I did not ask your opinion. I simply asked a question for anyone on Fluther who wished to chime in. You answered. I thanked you and even gave you a GA, but I respectfully disagreed with your conclusions about the group’s purpose. I will continue to state my opinions, and I will disagree with those of others if I so choose. Again, “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”

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