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sophiesword's avatar

Well all I can say is that in my culture marriages between cousins is pretty normal and happens quite often!

King_Pariah's avatar

I understand that in a good portion of the world, relationships between cousins are more or less accepted, but between siblings or parent and child, no, just no. What goes on behind closed doors (as long it consensual), is none of my business. But sibling/ parent and child sickens me.

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

We are actually wired not to be incestuous. Pheromones have a genetic component, and most of us are actually subconsciously turned off by the scent of our relatives. Most mammals are affected by this phenomenon, it isn’t just a “social taboo.”

Christian95's avatar

@King_Pariah @sophiesword and to all future answers I’m asking for you’re own personal opinion.

ratboy's avatar

It’s a touchy subject, best kept in the family.

El_Cadejo's avatar

Incest is the best so put your sister to the test.

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

Also, are we talking about consensual incest? When I hear “incest,” my mind immediately jumps to child molestation. Honestly.

JilltheTooth's avatar

Between consenting adults in private, their business, not mine. It’s a bad idea without birth control as nasty alleles will reinforce each other most likely at least 25% of the time, those odds are pretty high. (Simple Mendelian genetics)

Christian95's avatar

@ANef_is_Enuf I’m not asking about abuse,I’m talking about a consensual sexual act between relatives

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

Okay, just clarifying.

jonsblond's avatar

Yeah, not something I really think about.

chyna's avatar

The only way some people can get a date.~

ucme's avatar

Well, it’s their business, relatively speaking that is.

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

Probably not a good thing.

Unless they are athletic bubbly twins who giggle at all my jokes and keep me the center of attention the whole evening.

Blackberry's avatar

@ratboy LOL! Hahaha! I’m not a fan. Plus it’s most likely not conducive to healthy offspring.

Keep_on_running's avatar

My grandparents were 1st cousins and all I can say is BAD IDEA. It’s disgusting that they don’t think of their future children or how it affects other people around them. I can’t even imagine siblings or parent/child, everyone knows it’s just sick and abnormal.

MacBatman31's avatar

Why roam when you can stay home?

Keep_on_running's avatar

Since when did joking about incest become cool? :/

King_Pariah's avatar

If a man and woman get married in France, and then move to the US, are they still brother and sister? Joke to forget and get over memories, so joking about it is okay by me

Keep_on_running's avatar

I understand, but poor taste IMHO.

6rant6's avatar

We don’t prevent people from breeding although we know they have a high chance of genetic deficit. For example, we let diabetics breed, bipolar’s breed, even people who have a 50/50 chance of passing on fatal genetic flaws. It seems a little arbitrary to say siblings can’t breed.

If grown siblings want to get together and NOT breed, it’s weird, but it seems society doesn’t have a stake and should stay out of it.

I agree with the need to protect children from their parents. And of course from non-parents, too. So banning sexual contact between a child and any adult seems reasonable. But what about a grown child and their parent? Again completely bizarre and weird, but who are we to tell them what to do, or not do? We don’t have to invite them to our picnic, but we shouldn’t throw them in jail, either.

TexasDude's avatar

Consensual incest among adults = I don’t give a fuck
Abusive/exploitative incest = fuck you

This is pretty much how I feel about everything, though.

6rant6's avatar

@Keep_on_running I appreciate how bad the idea seems to you, but all of your revulsion doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I understand how you feel. Do you realize that at one time most people reacted the same way to interracial marriages? People quoted “natural order” and their own visceral reactions. They killed people just because they were projecting what they imagined was going through someone’s mind.

A good example is The Tulsa Race Riot of 1921.

In the same way, if siblings married, over time we’d get over it. And there would be one less excuse for hating our neighbors.

gasman's avatar

I remember reading an article on the biology of consanguinity that said: first cousins are probably OK, more distant than first cousins is fine, closer than first cousins definitely NOT OK.

Not a moral judgment, of course, but a matter of medical risk.

mazingerz88's avatar

I vehemently detest the very idea of incest in the deepest part of my humanity where a tad smidgen of decency still lingers! I do however prefer to get my incest from porn sites showing some milf and her supposed son duking it out! Hail Kay Parker! : )

Sunny2's avatar

With the multiple ways of becoming pregnant, especially by sperm donor, people won’t necessarily know they are related. Brothers and sisters may unwittingly marry and have offspring. Perhaps we’ll learn more about the outcomes of such breeding. My personal opinion is to avoid incest. It’s unnatural in the human species as far as I know, as opposed to other species of primates.

Unknown82's avatar

Personal opinion…. Well, I think that it is nasty and repulsive. I dont care if its parent child, first cousin, second cousin, or third. Anyway that you look at it i find absolutely gross! It is wrong in any kind of way. I could never see anyone in my family as a sexual partner. I dont think that anyone in their right mind could find a relative sexually attractive.

FutureMemory's avatar

I haven’t tried it yet.

Blackberry's avatar

@Unknown82 What if you were related to George Clooney? :P
@FutureMemory Why did you say “yet”? Lol.

JustJessica's avatar

When I hear of incest, I think of my nasty ass whore of a cousin that f@cking her first cousin, and actually left her husband for her cousin!!!!!! I understand in some cultures it may acceptable I’m just really glad it’s not acceptable in my culture.

I’m really sorry if I’ve offended anyone.

MRSHINYSHOES's avatar

One word——gross.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

Fact from fiction, truth from diction. When it comes to incest and inbreeding even the most liberal of thinkers get the heebie jeebies. There is only two ways to tackle it; it is a sin and therefore avoided, or it isn’t and up to those who want to engage in such activity. People want to say, ”Oh, cousins are OK”, but when it comes to sister and brothers, and brother and brother, sister and sister, these days, all the gushy liberalization takes a hike, even more so when it comes to parent and child. Horses do not care, dogs and cats either. Why do they not care? Reason being, they do not know sin or the concept of offending anyone. They do what they are programmed to do, reproduce at the appointed time with any available animal of the same or close enough species. In the very since that there is no entity to offend, humans should have no compunction of taking a page out of the natural book of animals and you mate up with and boink whom you please. People say it is icky, gross, nasty, based off what? Is there some scientific reality that incest done between siblings, parent and child, or uncles/aunts and nephews/nieces, within a family lineage once every other generation is going to cause massive birth defects? I would love to read that report or study, done independently of course. Maybe the reason why humans are dispose to avoid that is more innate than anything else. Then the answer is why?

For me, the answer is that is not how man was designed. From the time Adam’s rib was used to create Eve to be his companion there was a set way for humans to couple and live. Once you leave that confine, it is a free for all and anything goes. To think different, one would be disingenuous to their own ideology.

Symbeline's avatar

Incest can create children with physical and mental deficiencies. Not something I would support.

6rant6's avatar

@symbeline There’s a huge difference between, “Not something I would support,” and that’s something I would like to see people punished for.

Symbeline's avatar

That’s just a loose way I’m using to say I don’t like it.

ragingloli's avatar

A fun family event. And a great fetish. Especially with twins. But only if they are hot.
Also, either way, every sex act is an act of incest, since all humans are evolutionary related. They all have the same common ancestor.
It is even worse if you believe the abrahamic creation myth, where all humans sprang from 1 pair of humans 6000 years ago. In that scenario, the entire human race was started on incest.

6rant6's avatar

I think it’s okay not to like it. And it’s okay not to do it. I bet everyone could think of people getting together which they would find off putting, but which we would agree is their business not ours.

How about an 80-year-old and a twenty? How about someone really tall and someone really tiny?
How about a clown and a politician (okay, okay, that seems right). Two really fat people? Two people who have IQ’s under 70? A really really smart ugly person and a really really good looking dumb one? A catholic priest and an alter boy (How’d that get in here?) Marilyn Manson, and, I dunno, someone else? Two people who don’t speak a language in common? A convicted killer and someone who was attracted to him at his trial? People who meet on a reality dating show? A dom and sub? A feeder and a sub? A furry and a taxidermist?

Just seems to me there are a lot more uncomfortable couplings to think about than family members.

Another way to look at it: the heart wants what the heart wants. Do you think you have the right to say, “You can’t have the one person in the world with whom you could be happy because it would make be uncomfortable to see you together?”

Hell, I don’t understand the majority if couplings among age-appropriate same-race heterosexual couples I know. Why should I stick my two cents?

Symbeline's avatar

Most of the examples you give affect the two people getting together, not their offspring. (at least the examples you give that are capable of creating offspring :p) My beef isn’t with the match, at least not really, rather than what may come of it.

And I don’t have the right to say shit about people’s rights. But I do have the right to voice my opinion on it, which is all I did.

PS: I also don’t like the priest and the alter boy getting together. That said, two consenting adults can do whatever the fuck they will, but I really wish some would be mature and learned on the matter of their relationship.

@ragingloli That would explain a shitload lol.

jrpowell's avatar

I don’t even date women with my sisters name.

TexasDude's avatar

^I don’t like blondes at all and I think it’s because my mom is super blonde and it weirds me out.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

It’s disgusting that they don’t think of their future children or how it affects other people around them. I can’t even imagine siblings or parent/child, everyone knows it’s just sick and abnormal. I guess depending on where you are in the world, and the make up of your union, that can apply to a good many people, and they do no t have to be related.

Keep_on_running's avatar

Lol everyone who joked about incest got way more GA’s thanks to my comment. I’m sorry I approach these issues with a little sensitivity…

6rant6's avatar

So everyone who is so appalled about this: if breeding is not part of the plan, or if breeding is impossible then is it okay with you? I suspect some people are using this offspring thing to cover a deep seated aversion to the touching.

Jellie's avatar

People, including me, probably find it disgusting for two other consenting adults being incestuous because they themsleves are repulsed by the idea of being attracted to their own family member. However, we’re all different and if a brother/sister or parent/child are into it, I don’t care and won’t judge them.

Symbeline's avatar

@6rant6 Nah, I don’t think it’s okay even without the breeding, because being in that type of relationship with your sister or father seems quite unhealthy. I mean, just imagine it. Well I guess if that works out for some people, okay… But I certainly think that the breeding is the worse part.

FutureMemory's avatar

So no one has come forward with any personal experience on this issue? Fluther, I am disappoint.

ucme's avatar

Yup, no one’s prepared to admit they’re a mother fucker ;¬}

ragingloli's avatar

I do not have any hot family members

King_Pariah's avatar

@ragingloli is that why you go chasing after young girls instead?

jonsblond's avatar

@6rant6 I love spending time with my father, my brother and my two sons, but there’s no way in hell I’d want to fuck them because we get along so well. (That was very hard for me to even type. Just the thought makes me want to curl up and hide.) I’m not going to tell someone they can’t have sex with their family member, but I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t want to hang out with someone who does. just being honest here

ragingloli's avatar

@King_Pariah
I do not chase. I hunt. With a silenced pistol.

6rant6's avatar

Yeah, I don’t think anyone is going to try to impress people into the League of Family Daters.

I’m thinking parent/child is fundamentally different than siblings. Between parent and child there is an unavoidable inequality of power. That’s not true for siblings, especially adult siblings.

With the parent/child it becomes (or perhaps seems) too easy for the parent to manipulate the child for the parent’s benefit and the child’s harm. This could even occur when the parent thought they were being “good” or “righteous.”

So maybe it isn’t so much the ick factor that matters, but rather the protection of the more vulnerable person in the __generic case__. Maybe it’s appropriate to exclude such relationships on the grounds that they may often cause the weaker person disproportion harm, or harm disproportionately often.

I suppose that we might dislike the presence of incestuous relationships because we instinctively __project__ that the more vulnerable person is a victim of emotional or physical bullying. That doesn’t mean it’s so of course. But we have laws in society which exclude even the appearance of socially undesirable behavior, especially where the behavior is:
1) known to happen
2) it’s difficult to detect
3) Routinely causes harm to the more vulnerable person.

Therapists aren’t supposed to have sex with patients. Teachers aren’t supposed to date students (at some age). We all know that sometimes these relationships work out. But they are subject to abuse, so we frown on all of them – until the happy couple next door explain that was how they got together.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@6rant6 So maybe it isn’t so much the ick factor that matters, but rather the protection of the more vulnerable person in the __generic case__. Maybe it’s appropriate to exclude such relationships on the grounds that they may often cause the weaker person disproportion harm, or harm disproportionately often. It is so much the “”ick factor”_. Incest is a big taboo in many religions. Where people get squirrely is when they try to hang the aversion to incest on some other bogus tenet; imbalance in the relationship, bullying, inequality, child bearing, etc. Where dos one start? All those reasons hold about as much water as a cup made of newspaper. How many relationships are imbalanced? If you have an elitist and a socialite coupling with a poor person, who has little influence, there can’t be manipulation or bullying there? What if one person has an IQ of 167, and couple with a person with an IQ of 88? The smart person can phrase or present things to the partner that is only 88IQ that sounds good, but in reality could be doing them no good at all. Do we jump in and micromanage that relationship? What if one person is a multimillionaire and the couple with some person with no money, they won’t ever use the money to drive the relationship their way or use it as leverage? What if one is a citizen and the other need the partner to gain citizenship, surely there will NEVER be in coercion or manipulation there.

It is the ”ick factor” pure and simple. Look at some of the comments, snatch at random ”I understand that in a good portion of the world, relationships between cousins are more or less accepted, but between siblings or parent and child, no, just no.”. Transposed one can say, “I understand that in a good portion of the world, relationships between class levels, different races are more or less accepted, but between an elitist and a commoner, Hispanic and an African American, no, just no”. What about, ”It’s disgusting that they don’t think of their future children or how it affects other people around them. I can’t even imagine siblings or parent/child, everyone knows it’s just sick and abnormal.” Transposed, ”It’s disgusting that they don’t think of their future children or how it affects other people around them. I can’t even imagine male on male, everyone knows it’s just sick and abnormal.” How about one more sample just to bring it on home, ”Well, I think that it is nasty and repulsive. I dont care if its parent child, first cousin, second cousin, or third. Anyway that you look at it i find absolutely gross! It is wrong in any kind of way.” Transposed, ”Well, I think that it is nasty and repulsive. I don’t care if its transsexual post op, transsexual no o, or just a cross-dresser. Anyway, that you look at it I find absolutely gross! It is wrong in any kind of way.”

It is not to jump on you, or jump down the throats of those who made the statements, but to bring the point home, any statement can be made of others back at you. If you are going to tackle it in a totally secular way at least be genuine with it. To use the babies to try to dispel incest is disingenuous. It would be as if I were against private gun ownership and I bring up Columbine, the San Ysidro McDonald’s massacre, and that at V-Tech to prove citizens cannot be trusted with guns. I would gander if you took all the gun violence, via thugs, criminals, domestic violence, etc, it would still not come up to 25% of all gun owners. If I wanted to have people lean to thinking guns are dangerous, I can ignore all the responsible gun owners and focus on the highly visible massacres.

Keep_on_running's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central I don’t want to flame bait but I don’t appreciate you taking my comments and replacing it with homosexuals. I strongly defend homosexuality and champion it’s cause. I disagree with incest, because morally it does not sit well with me, especially since I have seen it for myself. Maybe if my grandparents weren’t first cousins and my mother wasn’t mentally ill I would have a different opinion.

6rant6's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central I think you’re taking everything and wrapping it up with a bow and pretending it’s all one package. Living in a pluralistic society is difficult because we must agree on how to do thing __despite__ our great differences in underlying values.

It may not be possible to say, “This is wrong,” and “this is right.” But we have to say, “This is permissible,” and “this is not permitted.” We have to draw the lines. There’s no one else to do it, if you’re not going to cede authority to prophets, or royalty, or the best fighter.

So we must take these issues apart and say, “What is it we are trying to achieve?” I just suggested that it may be the protection of our weaker citizens. I think that’s a valid thing for us to attempt. The implementation is difficult, I agree. But that doesn’t relieve us from our responsibility to consider how to do it.

Personally, I think the analogy to homosexuals, races and classes is appropriate because it reminds people that what the majority once thought of as acts against natural law we now have agreed are __permissible__ acts.

beccagolling's avatar

Too be honest I have a fetish for it. But I would never ever do it to my little brother. That is just sick. Counsins on the other hand I’m cooler with. You can call me sick but I am what I am! :)

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@Keep_on_running I don’t want to flame bait but I don’t appreciate you taking my comments and replacing it with homosexuals. I strongly defend homosexuality and champion it’s cause. I did not say you had anything against gays, it was a statement that lent itself to many applications to oppose someone. You could replace male-on-male sex, with interracial marriages, or wealthy elitist with commoners, sex between someone with a 182 IQ and someone with an 85 IQ. A little person and a regular-sized person. It was just an illustration that where someone who want to say “I don’t like what they are doing”, might be doing something other people don’t like. A whole lot of people want to toss stones at the windows of others not knowing they have to toss that stone through their huge window wall 1st.

@6rant6 It may not be possible to say, “This is wrong,” and “this is right.” But we have to say, “This is permissible,” and “this is not permitted.” Then there would be nothing that was actually wrong. It all comes down to an opinion by a group of people or the majority of the group.

There’s no one else to do it, if you’re not going to cede authority to prophets, or royalty, or the best fighter. Like that doesn’t happen now? You can have a counsel of slaves sitting in the shadow of the pyramid they are building and all come to an agreement that the way Pharaoh is treating them is immoral, but come morning it won’t mean a thing. The task master will arrive and they will all be back on the line stacking those bricks. Why would they do it when they all agreed it was immoral for them to have to do it? Because Pharaoh has the spears, the swords and the whips. So, Pharaoh’s morality that the slaves are their to serve him and the people of Egypt stands, because no one has any might to stop or prevent him from doing so. Honor killings do not sit well with most people here in the US, but why do they still happen? The US has no power it cares to use to stop it from happening in the world. Rape happens daily in Darfur, again because no one greater than those who are doing it, stops them. Striping it to the bone, might makes right.

Personally, I think the analogy to homosexuals, races and classes is appropriate because it reminds people that what the majority once thought of as acts against natural law we now have agreed are __permissible__ acts. Then it fits right in, doesn’t it. One day when we have no tether to God, I pray I am dead then, incest might be seen as normal an accepted as any other sex act. I will leave it at that before I have to call a ham sandwich a ham sandwich.

6rant6's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central “It all comes down to an opinion by a group of people or the majority of the group.” Well, duh.

Are you thinking religion provides illumination on these difficult issues? Which religion then? Some religions condone what you call incest. Some religions say it’s righteous to kill homosexuals, or perceived adulterers, or people who worship differently.

Like I said, in a pluralistic society, you have to work for agreement. Or keep fighting. If that’s the option you prefer, please just leave me alone.

stargazer22's avatar

Ladies and gentlemen, I, myself have recently made an agreement with my sister to provide sexual pleasure in a mutually beneficial adult relationship. I am 30, she is 36, both of us are single and have been living as roomates for 6 months. We have always been great to eachother, always there when the other is in need. Be it financial trouble, relationship problems, moving to a new house, etc; always love, always respect. I would give her a kidney or piece of my liver if needed and she the same for I. We have been there through good and bad, fat and lean, ups or downs; for our whole lives. My sister has a huge collection of pornography and toys. She is a busy woman without much time for anything but her home based business and other related activities. She was always talking about needing a fuckbuddy, how, mechanically, masturbation works but does not satisfy the social emotional connection from intercourse with a partner. If we can be there for eachother no matter how extreme the circumstance, why then can we not be there in this most critical of ways as we humans are sexual beings. Food, water, shelter, companionship, compassion, empathy, and even self worth; these are the necessities of life to leave a fellow human-being in wanting of any of these is a crime against humanity. We now share a wonderfully beneficial relationship where we are not in need and not wanting of anything other than the catharsis of death at our final conclusion so, is an incestuous relations between adults good or bad think not in terms of good or bad but rather necessary, unnecessary, or extraneous,and effiicient our entire evolutionary triumph is attributed to efficiency why then shall we go against our programming besides, if we weren’t supposed to, it would be impossible our parts would be incompatible and incapable of producing offspring in plant breeding, incest is a critical part of the trait isolation process i am not saying that i am going to impregnate her, we use birth control, but i am saying that if it is important enough for geneticists to implement it in their work then perhaps we need to evaluate and implement ways of maximizing our genetic potential.

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

^Let us know how it goes.

6rant6's avatar

@stargazer22 Yeah, keep us posted. __[Equal parts voyeur/perv and anthropologist on this one]__

Mr_Paradox's avatar

Just three words: The Hills Have Eyes. Look it up, this is what happens.

Symbeline's avatar

@Mr_Paradox That, and being Chernobylized.

Mr_Paradox's avatar

@Symbeline exactly my point

psyonicpanda's avatar

This has been one of the most interesting feeds I have seen. slightly creeped out but I haved learned a lot from the many views of my fellow jellys.

timtee's avatar

I felt my Mom once sudden just went ahead and did it her in just a slip,pantie and bra. I must say the feeling of doing this to her felt great. I couldn’t help it being a horny teen. Mom just stood there and sighed. Her eyes half closed. She even rounded her nice round firm rump back during this. I’d say she liked it. I sure did I got an erection ! I didnt get punished and she never told that I know of. I guess that was incest ?

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@6rant6 Are you thinking religion provides illumination on these difficult issues?
Can secular thinking do any better?

Like I said, in a pluralistic society, you have to work for agreement.
I have said that before, in a secular society it a what the majority of a given society wished or accepts, it is it incest, female circumcision, having 10 year old brides, etc. it is good for them, those not living under that societal norm have nothing to say, I am sure there would be something another society can point to that they do as heinous and vile.

There is no need for any fighting, it is what it is, one cannot have their cake and eat it too, or we all have it.

@stargazer22 If we can be there for eachother no matter how extreme the circumstance, why then can we not be there in this most critical of ways as we humans are sexual beings.
I am in full agreement with you from the standpoint of man being the pinnacle of intelligence in the universe that we know of and there is no accounting to anyone except man himself, logically there is anything against it, and those who feel there is make a liar of their own logic.

@psyonicpanda This has been one of the most interesting feeds I have seen. slightly creeped out but I haved learned a lot from the many views of my fellow jellys.
Certainly is one of the more pertinent and meaty threads, and certainly eye-opening on how people try to hat dance around the logic they plan on living by because of their ”ick factor”. I am by far not creeped out, because when you truly know the nature of man, little he does is all that surprising.

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