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How do you feel about the Craigslist personals section, "casual encounters" specifically?

Asked by deni (23141points) January 23rd, 2012

Mods, yes this question was asked 3 years ago but not in depth like I am asking it here, and there were few responses.

FYI: I am a craigslist junkie. I haven’t gotten a job in the past 3 years that wasn’t off craigslist. I’ve never found an apartment, or a roommate, anywhere else either. Last year I put an ad for leftover frozen buffalo wings before I was moving and a lady came and picked them up within 10 minutes. Days later I emptied the entire contents of my fridge into a box and gave it to a guy who didn’t have any money until his paycheck came later in the week. The point is, I am not a particularly skeptical person to begin with, and I really trust Craigslist. It’s utilized quite well where I live especially, and I think thats great.

Okay, but seriously? I used to think to myself, “Wow, what a desperate bunch of losers! Who looks for sex on craigslist?” then I more recently found myself saying “Deni, why do you think that way? How different is it from hooking up with someone you met in a bar an hour earlier? Except you don’t even know what they’re packin down there, at least with Craigslist and pictures you get some sort of idea!”

Then, next thing I know, I find myself almost wanting to reply to a few of these ads!!!! Usually not, often times they’re creepy or the dude is 60 or the picture is extremely unflattering, or they sound uneducated, or usually a combination of all of those. But sometimes, just sometimes, I get tempted!

So, would you ever post on casual encounters? Would you ever reply to a post on there? What do you think of people who do?

I have so many thoughts on this.

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45 Answers

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

I feel fine about it. My best friend has used that section for sexual encounters often and it’s worked out fine. I have used it too.

deni's avatar

@Simone_De_Beauvoir Really? I have never known anyone personally whose used it which I guess is why I feel so iffy about…how I feel about it! I kinda wanna use it just to do something different and exciting as my life has been humdrum lately but I’m a bit hesitant.

Aethelflaed's avatar

I have very few thoughts on CL casual encounters aside from how it relates to me. One of my closest friends uses it from time to time, and has never had any problems. I’ve looked at it, and some most of the ads scare me – but I don’t think there’s really a higher percentage of scary people on CL than the rest of the time, you just see the scary stuff right away, instead of having several drinks over several meetings with someone before going “woah, red flag… slowly back out of the room…”. Probably wouldn’t use it, though, because I don’t think it’s a particularly great way of screening out who’s safe and who’s not. And because I need to know someone’s personality a bit more than CL usually lets you before I am attracted to someone enough to jump them and have it be a fun time.

Blackberry's avatar

I put out one ad because I was curious, and it was mostly spam and men. One guy said “I can be very masculine and discreet” Lol.

Just use standard procedure for meeting people online and you’ll be fine :)

elbanditoroso's avatar

It’s a perfect example of an unregulated free market. People are looking for other people = no intermediary, no memberships, just people interacting with people.

No problem with it in principle.

In practice,, reasonable safety should be observed. But other, it enables humans to be humans. Who can object to that?

zenvelo's avatar

I’ve answered ads in CE, but don’t usually get a reply back. It seems like most of them are fake, at least in w4m. I’ve had a little luck in the regular dating portion.

I’m not inclined to put up my own ad in CE. I have put up an ad in Strictly Platonic and in m4w when I have been out of town, met one woman in Wash DC that I have seen a half dozen times when I have gone back to DC.

deni's avatar

@Blackberry I was curious what I would get, too, so I put an ad up a few weeks ago. In twenty minutes it got flagged. So I put another up, citing specific examples of things that made me “real”, thinking that would help, it didn’t. It got flagged 5 minutes later. Then I got discouraged and now I’m not sure, if I did wanna put an ad up, if it’d be worth it because it’d be taken down in a hot second!

deni's avatar

Oh, I’m also afraid of sending someone a picture of myself, then they send one of themselves and I don’t like what I see so I don’t reply, then they come into my work the next day and…massive awkwardness…

Aethelflaed's avatar

What did you say in the ad?

blueiiznh's avatar

As your question states, it’s personal. What a person does for things behind closed doors is for them. If it works for you, then so be it. Who am I to judge.

Aethelflaed's avatar

Upon closer inspection of the casual encounters section, I am a little bit concerned that there is a t4m, a m4t, a t4mw, and a mw4t, but no t4w, no w4t, no t4t… way to fetishize trans* people, CL…

EverRose11's avatar

I believe people in general are always looking, for friendship, companionship, to belong somewhere , anywhere. So I see nothing wrong with it, I feel it is a cheaper version of any other type of site where people go to connect with another human… be it craiglist or any other dating site, Caution is the word.

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

It may be different in the gay world or at least the gay world I’m a part of, but I see nothing abnormal about using the Casual Encounters section of Craigslist. It is what it is. In my view, meeting someone for a casual tryst is completely acceptable.

I have posted in that section often and have answered ads from others as well. Sometimes I meet a man after exchanging emails and information, and sometimes I don’t. I never post my picture in an ad, and I rarely send one in response to another.

When I lived in a large city and used Craigslist’s personals section, I had many responses and many meetings. I live on a rural island now, and the numbers are much lower.

As far as safety is concerned, I guess I’ve been lucky. I’ve never felt like I was in danger from any of the chance encounters I’ve had. I am cautious though. I think I have a normal amount of caution.

deni's avatar

@Hawaii_Jake and anyone else who has used casual encounters….is it not weird when you show up at someones door. “Hi I’m here to have sex with you!” Or do you exchange a few emails first so you know a little bit about the person? What is standard procedure. I am soo curious!

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

@deni : The encounters are typically anonymous. The emails that are exchanged normally have more to do with what is expected from the meeting. First impressions can be awkward, if the person does not look like their picture. I’ve been in the situation more than once of having to ask someone to leave, because their pictures were obviously extremely old or not them entirely.

However, I don’t think it’s awkward to show up at someone’s door just for sex, but then I’ve done it quite a bit. There are no gay bars here, so places to meet are limited. In my view, Craigslist is like grocery shopping…“Tonight, I think I’ll try Chinese.”

There are other sites that gay men use for meeting, and they are even more geared specifically toward what a person expects sexually. They are the meat department of the Internet.

deni's avatar

@Hawaii_Jake Fascinating. I did notice there is more men looking for men than men looking for women, at least on my CL around here. Now that you say that, it totally makes sense that it might be a bit more common place in the gay community. I think thats cool though, and it takes balls to put yourself out there anonymously like that, you know what I mean? I certainly don’t have the confidence (or balls) to do it.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@Hawaii_Jake So how do you deal with any STDs that may get transfered?

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

@Aethelflaed : You deal with them as you would in any sexual encounter with a person who is new to you. You use protection always.

Why do you ask?

Aethelflaed's avatar

@Hawaii_Jake Because I’m curious. I don’t really get the anonymous sex thing, because since protection isn’t 100%, I’m always worried that I’d get AIDS, but then wouldn’t know their name or how to contact them.

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

@Aethelflaed : Yes, there is risk. Condoms can break.

There is also risk that the person you’re getting to know before having sex is lying about their sexual health.

I have regular sexual partners apart from the anonymous ones, and I use protection with all of them. It saves a lot of headaches from worrying.

Blackberry's avatar

It’s too bad Fluther doesn’t have its own casual encounters, eh?! (Nudge) Am I right?!

deni's avatar

@Blackberry You are right!!!!!!! Nudge! Kick!

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

@deni & @Blackberry : I think you’re on to something there.

augustlan's avatar

The Fluther madame will accept PMs of interested parties. ;)

tedd's avatar

@deni I’ll tell ya what @deni , I’ll save you the time of dealing with the crazies on craigslist… You and I can just have a casual encounter :D… Send me the address and I’ll be over later. lol

tedd's avatar

@deni Wait… even better…. How about you come meet me and my g/f…..

(i feel the need to edit and note that I am just joking here… as this may all come off rather creepy lol)

deni's avatar

@tedd I did consider responding to a few couples who had posted on craigslist buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut again….i don’t have the balls. lol :(

tedd's avatar

hahahaha… @deni Alright I’ll ask the g/f, and we’ll just ask you if she’s cool with it :D lol

jca's avatar

I have never put any ad on nor responded to CL. However, just an idea for you @deni. How about if you exchanged emails with someone and they were interesting to you, instead of meeting them at their location for hook up only, how about meeting them in public for coffee or lunch or something? That way, you can see if you like them and if there are any red flags, you will know before you are “in too deep” (pardon the pun). If someone does not want to spare an hour for a coffee, than maybe it’s their loss. As a woman, my advice would be safety first, so therefore, coffee or any public meeting would contribute to the safety factor.

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

@jca has a good suggestion. I’ve seen ads where one person wants to meet in public first. It’s not unheard of.

deni's avatar

@jca For sure! If I was going to use it, I would probably feel a lot more comfortable doing that.

Oh, and how about this for why I’m hesitant to use casual encounters….I emailed one person off it last night, didn’t send a picture or anything, I literally just put two sentences in response to something the ad said, and it TURNED OUT TO BE SOMEONE I KNOW. fljkdfjdkljf

elbanditoroso's avatar

Maybe Atlanta’s Craiglist casual encounters is different from the ones where you live. I made a detailed look at them last night, and they overwhelmingly were commercial (as in for-profit casual encounters) as opposed to “nice-people-getting-together” casual encounters.

I was in the W4M section – are other areas less commercial?

deni's avatar

@elbanditoroso I don’t think I have ever seen a commercial one on the CL here. Thankfully. I’m sure there’s more of that in big cities though.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@elbanditoroso In my area, the professional ads have migrated from the adult services to the therapeutic services. All these women just dying to give me a massage…

wundayatta's avatar

It’s easier for women, I think. A post from a woman might get hundreds of responses, but an ad from a guy might not get any.

I tried it once, and it felt like the sleaziest thing I’ve ever done in my life. No. It was the sleaziest thing I’d ever done. Just another sign of how desperate I was.

I hope that desperation is not what drives most people to use Craigslist, but if it is, I don’t know if that is a bad thing. It makes me sad that it isn’t easier in our society for people to connect physically. I would rather not connect out of desperation. I wish that society didn’t see people with high sexual needs as somehow morally defective.

deni's avatar

@wundayatta That is my big thing. I feel like if I used it I would just feel desperate and sad. Then I think about it more. I’m young and attractive (see avatar obviously) and if I wanted to go to a bar and meet a guy solely for the purpose of having sex, I could probably fairly easily do that whenever I wanted to but….that whole process is just not my thing. First, I would have to find a guy I thought was attractive enough to wanna bone. Then I would have to make sure he didn’t have a girlfriend, then infiltrate him and his friends and somehow, without being overly awkward (because I am super awkward) I’d have to communicate with him that no, I don’t want to be friends, I just want to fuck you. Ugh, really? No I don’t really ever want to do that in my life. So it seems like casual encounters kinda fast forwards you to where you want to be, if you all you want is sex. I have such mixed feelings.

Maybe it’s more laziness, not so much desperation?

wundayatta's avatar

@deni What it is for you is different that it was for me. I was desperate for some particular reasons having to do with what was going on in my life at the time. I was in a situation I didn’t know how to handle and I’m sure most people would say that I made a mistake in doing what I did. I don’t need to shame myself for such mistakes because that has other dangerous consequences for me.

What I learned was the lengths I would go to to try to find a human connection of the physical sort. I learned that I was suppressing or trying to suppress some very important needs, and that just doesn’t work for me. Others can deny themselves, perhaps, but it was more than I could stand.

I learned that I wasn’t looking for just sex. I was looking for something more meaningful than that. I was looking for a deeper connection than I could find with something fast and anonymous. I learned that I needed to know the people I wanted to meet; that what I really wanted was a much deeper connection.

After that experience, I learned that I had alternatives to looking on Craigslist. I had ways of meeting people online that were much more likely to get me to where I wanted to go, and eventually I met people who could give me what I needed. I also learned that what I needed was something I had to give myself, too. I couldn’t rely totally on others for it. I needed to find some of it inside myself.

Personally, I have discovered that when all I think I want is sex, I am wrong. That’s never the whole story. That’s not what it was about for me.

I don’t know what it’s about for you, really. Many people believe that it can be “just” sex. I don’t. I never did. I tried to make myself believe it, but it didn’t work.

I think that we are really looking for something that is much deeper. “Just” sex, I think, will always be unsatisfying because I think we want more than that. Sex is inherently symbolic of the deepest and most intimate aspects of humanity. It is symbolic of deep acceptance and of love, even when love and acceptance aren’t a part of it. I think that much of the satisfaction people get from sex is this simulation of love and connection and acceptance.

But when it isn’t there, people treat it like a sport. They score. They judge each other on how technically proficient they are. It’s like sexual olympic tryouts. You feel good based on how hot your partner is, as if that says something about you. You feel attractive. You feel hot.

These are nice things. Unfortunately, I think we allow ourselves to be fooled that this is what we want, and we ignore that tiny gnawing hunger, and even say it is too romantic. We’re realists. Cynics. True love doesn’t really exist. It’s just chemicals. This is good enough, and we don’t have to pick up anyone’s dirty socks, too.

So this is the weirdest thing. What I discovered was that while I thought I wanted anonymous hot sex with an endless stream of sexy women (and that desire is never far from the surface for me, anyway), what I wanted most of all was to pick up my love’s dirty socks. That is an act of intimacy that makes me feel more connected, oddly, than the pure joy of sex.

Don’t get me wrong. I want sex. I crave it. I think about it all the time. I want love. For me, sex is love. It is the proof of love. There are lots of reasons for this I won’t go into here, but it is a truth for me. But sex alone won’t do it. I also need dirty socks. I need them so badly, it almost makes me cry.

Craigslist will get you sex. If that’s what you really want, then just understand it is a learning process. You have to learn how to filter through your responses to get what you really want, and you also have to learn how to keep yourself safe. The problem is that if you only think you want sex, and what you really want is dirty socks, then “casual encounters” is not where you want to be.

tedd's avatar

@deni Haha… god you are making me wish I lived local to you :D…. lol

deni's avatar

@wundayatta Probably deep down I don’t want just sex either and even though I have trouble putting my finger on why casual encounters seems a little “off” to me, that’s probably the root reason. GA! Can you elaborate on the dirty socks?

@tedd did you ever end up moving to pittsburgh? or am i confusing you totally with someone else?

tedd's avatar

@deni You are not, and I did not. I stayed here in Columbus.

wundayatta's avatar

When you’re with someone, they inevitably will have a habit that bothers you. It might annoy the shit out of you. Maybe they leave dirty socks strewn on the floor. Maybe they obsessively clean up all the dirty socks and put them in color-coded laundry bins.

Either way, although it seems to annoy you, at the same time it is symbolic of what you get from a relationship with a person where you have to interact with them on such a nitty-gritty level that you don’t get when you kick them out the door in the morning before their socks even hit the floor. While we may not personally enjoy the sight of dirty socks, what they symbolize is what we crave, I think. Being known and being comfortable and being intimate and being willing to put up with the up and down (as well as the in and out) of intimacy.

Make sense?

cockswain's avatar

Oh @deni ! You little hornball. Just send me a PM and ol’ ‘swain will take care of you.

deni's avatar

@cockswain I was wondering where you’ve been!

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