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A Fluther contest: Let's try to guess how many more questions about guns we will see here in the next thirty days starting 12/28/12?

Asked by woodcutter (16224 points ) December 27th, 2012

I mean c’mon people, how many more members want to ask the same question with different words to make it slightly different? The answers are all going to be the same and yet we still want to do it over and over. Maybe the site admin will get us a new award just for this that the winner receives next month. I’m not sure what this award will be called that has some fish suffix in it to be Fluther-like. So we need to figure that one out too. I’m being serious.

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dxs's avatar

[edit]: Uhh missed the “guns” part. I’ll say 7.

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

325. Sane people will never understand why crazy people think they need guns to protect themselves from us. It is a huge fascination.

BBawlight's avatar

How about… 11? Just a guess, but @dxs has a good estimate, too.

woodcutter's avatar

I was thinking 7 or 8. Does the search thing work here now? Plenty of active discussions going right now on this that can be joined. I don’t see chat. Is that gone?
edit: I just noticed the chat button^^

jrpowell's avatar

Well, this is a conversation that needs to be had or we will be right back in the same place in a month when a crazy guy does the same thing. Guns are a issue that need to be discussed since we are clearly doing it wrong.

So we need to figure out a solution and when we think we have a good one we need to let our elected representatives know what we think would help.

I have sent letters and gotten responses. Have you?

jonsblond's avatar

326. Because some people can’t understand that a majority of gun owners are responsible gun owners and are not crazy. puleeze

jrpowell's avatar

@jonsblond :: I own a gun. I know most are responsible. It is just bullshit you can get a 30 round clip for a AR-15. Maybe if the nutter had to reload some kids could have gotten away and wouldn’t be dead. You don’t need 30 rounds to shoot dinner unless you are Michal J Fox..

augustlan's avatar

If this were an ordinary time, we’d be modding several of the gun questions as duplicates (or near-duplicates). Since this is all a very recent thing in response to the Sandy Hook shooting, we’re allowing all the discussion people seem to want and/or need. If history is our guide, I’m sure it will taper off pretty soon. Which is kind of unfortunate, since the problem(s) won’t be solved in 30 days.

Shippy's avatar

ha ha! Yep lots of gun questions.

ucme's avatar

45 as in Colt.

jonsblond's avatar

@johnpowell Yeah. I agree with you. Just tired of hearing from city people how stupid and crazy gun owners are. And I don’t even own a gun, but living where I do (on a farm) it would be helpful.

CWOTUS's avatar

The problem is that however many gun questions we have, whether 7 or 700, it will dwarf the number of questions about how to deal – effectively, if not permanently – with the crazies in our societies who don’t much answer to laws or administrative restraints of any kind.

And that’s unfortunate because it seems that the crazies get crazier and more numerous with every news cycle.

woodcutter's avatar

So who’s going to call it and give out the prize?
Anyone? preferably a mod?

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

@jonsblond My apologies, I was making a cheap joke. Watching assult weapon sales soar through the roof on the news because people are starting to hoard them in case of a ban. Making me crazy.

PhiNotPi's avatar

I’ll keep count. It is going to be December 28th through January 26th, both dates inclusive.

Although there will not be an official award, we can still determine the winner.

Just don’t take this whole thing too seriously, because I’m not.

woodcutter's avatar

@CWOTUS Yes I think you are on to something about being disinterested in dealing with the actual crazies instead of banning objects. If there was an honest dialog about incarceration it would certainly involve putting tons more convicted blacks behind bars…..longer if not indefinitely. Something that would not flow well here or at any other liberal catering -to place. Having that “R” word tossed out right off the bat would be a sure way to kill any serious discussion.

It seems that the law breakers comfort takes greater precedence than the safety of the general population.

jonsblond's avatar

@Imadethisupwithnoforethought No need to apologize. It’s a passionate subject for all.

woodcutter's avatar

@PhiNotPi You got the job! But I’m curious about these discussions that seem to start out about something else but end up being about the gun debate on a tangent? Maybe it should if a reply brings a second reply about the same thing therefore qualifying as a switched topic? And no cheating to inflate the numbers. We should be able to see if that was the intent of the asker right?

CWOTUS's avatar

@woodcutter, it’s long past time to talk about the total, abject failure of the “War on Drugs” and the exacerbating effects that this has had on all of the perceived problems we’re talking around: more guns on the street; more lethal guns, too; more “criminals” (because drugs are illegal, after all), protecting turf from other criminals and themselves from the police and arrest – and other drug “criminals” who would kill them – as well as more corruption in law enforcement, too.

In addition to which, locking up drug “criminals” puts them into academies of higher learning for crime. We’re creating graduate-level violent criminals out of people who do “something we don’t like”, but which doesn’t otherwise affect us.

woodcutter's avatar

@CWOTUS If someone hurts another violently, then they are no longer drug offenders if that is what they were before that. We also need prison reform while we are on this but there isn’t much motivation to make things better for inmates.The sentences are not long enough for violent offenders and the overcrowding problem has much to do with that. Not incarcerating minor drug offenders could help with that.
Prison reform. One more way such a topic can morph into the gun debate.
not counting this one

majorrich's avatar

i’m thinkin’ 9

woodcutter's avatar

I have seen 3 more just in the last 3 hours. At that rate we are gonna beat the black off this one.

“Evil Black Gun”.....get it?

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

@woodcutter now that I am actually looking at the posts, I am super fascinated about what you mean when you say putting tons more convicted blacks behind bars. Should we let the Asians and whites go?

woodcutter's avatar

No. No effin way. But you never will hear Jessie bitch about too many whites and others being sent to prison. The blacks have all the civil rights groups which are nice and all ,but shit…they do seem to be doing most of the killing in the US. Look it up. Some want to make it politically incorrect to see that many get busted. I prefer not to see skin color. If you are a fuck up and kill people and beat the crap out of woman you should stay behind bars. Let the idiot dopers out to leave room for them.

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

@woodcutter I will patiently wait for you to show me the spree killer who was not a white male.

Crashsequence2012's avatar

At least one.

It will ask something to the following effect:

How did we allow the State to curb our Constitutional rights again??

Yetanotheruser's avatar

.357 (As in Magnum)

Crashsequence2012's avatar

@Imadethisupwithnoforethought

Andrew Cunanan, the spree killer, was of Pacific Islander descent.

Lazaro Obwara of Uganda took out 12 (he was a gentleman enough to leave none inured) during his little murder vacation.

Etc. Etc.

dxs's avatar

My guess was so off.

majorrich's avatar

Where are we at so far?

dxs's avatar

More than 7…

majorrich's avatar

Nutz, I was guessing 9 and started a thread today.

woodcutter's avatar

@Imadethisupwithnoforethought So the spree killers are what get you concerned? If all of the black gangland killings were broadcast in real time how would you feel? 20 dead in Connecticut in one go or 500 in a years time inside Chicago. Which do you feel is more news worthy?

Aaaaaand ,lest we forget that Korean fella at VT. So you still think it’s a “white Thang”?

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

@woodcutter I still think it is a white thing. I think certain white people feel themselves under siege by blacks and hispanics. I think they see the world is out to get them or whatever. They have this fantasy that they need guns to protect themselves and this “Real America” that they understand and people like me don’t.

Pointing out that one time some Asian guy shot some people fifteen years ago or that there was also a spree killing in Uganda one time does not make me change my opinion that there are great many white gun owners who are very sick inside walking around who think the world is out to get them. Nor does mentioning that poor people shoot other poor people. It just makes me appreciate how very strange and angry the world looks to some individuals.

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woodcutter's avatar

You need to show us a link that quantifies that white gun owners are predisposed to gun violence or you are a fraud

Put up or shut up

woodcutter's avatar

White people might be predisposed to needing mental health corrective actions that seems may be true mainly because they are more apt to be able to seek treatment for it. They should not be with firearms anyway Did this just turn into another fucking gun thread?

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

@woodcutter My Grandfather built ships for WWI. He was a patent maker.

My father is a certified war hero with 80% burns on his body and 214 broken bones. You are saying that I should be worried about blacks and Hispanics. I am asserting that I am far more concerned about you.

You link me to why I should be on your side. I don’t owe you nothing, you owe my family far more.

jonsblond's avatar

@woodcutter You need to show us a link that quantifies that white gun owners are predisposed to gun violence or you are a fraud

I know, right? I wish I could find the statistics, but I’m assuming that the majority of gun owners are hunters (and another assumption of mine is that the majority of hunters are white). I’m surrounded by hunters where I live. Everyone owns a gun. The last time I checked, not one person was purposely killed by a hunter! Even accidents are rare in our neck of the woods.

woodcutter's avatar

I owe your family stuff? That really sort of rich. You come up with that….from what I have put up there?^^. Not saying you should be worried about anyone. The hell you getting this from? You worry about whomever you want but that is hardly my place to assign. All I have shown is black crime gangs are responsible for more murder in the US and you are going on with? It looking like you are somewhat dismayed from this fact and I’m sorry but it isn’t a taking sides thing. I called you out on your stereotypical assumptions and you get snotty on us here. You don’t know me but in your obvious prejudiced self you feel threatened by me just because…sight unseen? Boy ‘oh boy that sounds like a really prejudiced personality you have. Get that looked at it’s looking bad.

I have exactly 206 bones right now. Always have. So do you. I can get you a link on that. Still hoping for that link from you with something showing studies of whites being inherently dangerous.

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

@jonsblond that is relatively easy to provide

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-000

And it is true, I miscounted. Some of my fathers bones were broken in multiple positions so the total is total than total of human bones.

jonsblond's avatar

Those are death rates, not who owns the guns. I found this

Sure it’s easy to find, but it’s my birthday and I’ve had a few beverages. (to waste time searching for statistics or not. that is my dilemma at this moment.) :P

woodcutter's avatar

@jonsblond Sigh, I know, right? And the hunters may be in the minority in many areas. Not that I would ever wish for something bad like a pissed off black dude rampaging on a crowd but when or if it takes place Oh wait…shit, that crazy fuck in the army base in TX few years back that shot up a movie house was it? Ok he was a Muslim but not white though but anywho. Mental people do bad things sometimes but to lay it all at the feet of the white guy because this happens to be a liberal Q&A site where it is generally accepted is going to get some reality dosage and feelings might have to be adjusted back some. Shit like this is encouraged here to some degree.

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

@jonsblond I am reading those statistics, white people do 44% of the killing?

jonsblond's avatar

Non-white 27%, black 27%. You do the math.

woodcutter's avatar

Hey guys I know this is fun but this is a frikkin META question, about questions. Why don’t we move this to social where it looks like it’s headed anyway because we ain’t counting this as a gun question even though it has morphed into one somehow.
Like ask; who kills the most- whites or all the other races in the universe and see where this goes. No need in padding the count.

augustlan's avatar

[mod says] Flame off, folks.

majorrich's avatar

This one shouldn’t count as a gun thread because it didn’t start as one. I’m pretty sure we are over my estimate. What is the official count so far?

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

To properly calculate the most likely number, I’m going to need a new computer, a gun, two pounds of bacon, a bubbling cauldron, and a sacrificial squirrel. Hop to it.

dxs's avatar

@majorrich
I mean, technically, the question is still about guns.

Crashsequence2012's avatar

This thread has become tiresome.

This is the part on Fluther where we danceā€¦

majorrich's avatar

Meh, I guess you are right.

woodcutter's avatar

Are there many meta questions where a mod has to step in? Who was flaming?

burntbonez's avatar

Elvis has left the building.

ucme's avatar

^^Hate to tell you this, but the fat fucker died years ago.

woodcutter's avatar

LOL! No more twinkies for you.

woodcutter's avatar

We should count all the new movies being released this month that the story hinges on gun violence and violence in general. I know these were in the works months or maybe years ago but they are sure popping them out one after another lately.

It is what the masses want apparently.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

@woodcutter Semi-relevant to your comment- I’m going to see Zero Dark Thirty this Friday. :)

woodcutter's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate That movie is about something historical, violent as it all was. Someone was bound to cover this and more probably will. The fiction stories that are coming off a blood conveyor belt just seem over abundant this year. Even TV, this one called “Justified” really? It’s just bad TV. So we have run out of interesting subject matter to do? We get guns, tits, and ass. Tits and ass are fine but the parent nazi’s and all their decency standards seem ass backwards.

burntbonez's avatar

Where we at?

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