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Shouldn't Fluther just do away with every single thing that makes it what it is, since people can't seem to quit complaining about it?

Asked by WillWorkForChocolate (22663 points ) February 24th, 2013

“I’m gonna complain about the lurve system.”

“I will whine about the awards.”

“Today, I think I’ll bitch about the moderation. AGAIN.”

Should someone contact Ben and Andrew and tell them their website obviously sucks and they need to take the time out of their busy lives to change it to suit everyone?

Should Fluther just get rid of every rule and unique facet, and become a free-for-all bullshit website, just like all the other bullshit Q&A sites out there?

Oh, wait! I have a brilliant idea! Maybe, just maybe, people could accept Fluther for what it is, instead of complaining that things should be changed to make them happy! Nah, you’re right. Bitching about it is definitely the way to go. What the fuck was I thinking?

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MilkyWay's avatar

Brb dinner.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

Eat some cheese for me, since I can’t have any right now!

MilkyWay's avatar

Ok, on a serious note I agree that people should not complain/moan about the things that they have been moaning about lately. That’s one of the first things I noticed when I came back. People were very… negative about some aspects of the website.
Contructive criticism is always welcome but I totally get why you’re feeling like this, because most people who have been saying anything negative about the website haven’t been giving anything contructive but rather have been behaving like children who don’t like the rules of a game… and try to ruin it for others.
I always try and ignore them to be honest, but they can be incredibly annoying. And now I have fallen into complaining about them too wth. Lets all just focus on all the positive to come. You can’t really do anything about it except ignore it love.
How about a neck rub there momma? And some tea and scones? <3

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

@MilkyWay Precisely! Yes, please. :)

Mama_Cakes's avatar

Has anyone complained lately?

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Judi's avatar

Bendrew owns the website. It can be whatever they want. It’s not a democracy, it is theirs. It makes about as much sense to try to change their site as it does for me to try and influence the color my neighbor paints their kitchen.

filmfann's avatar

Wow. I hate questions where the OP has answered the question posed.
Can we get rid of those?

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

@filmfann Only if we can ban every bitchy question about politics and religion! :D

tinyfaery's avatar

You getting upset about it is akin to complaining about the site in the first place. It’s just a website. Everyone should just chill.

cookieman's avatar

This is how I feel about whining:

Couple weeks ago, a student of mine was complaining that her teacher was being unfair. The student had missed three classes (weeks) in a row. The teacher suggested she withdraw from from the class and try again next term. The student whined endlessly to the teacher about the snow storm, and she was sick, and her car battery died, etc. No joy, the teacher wouldn’t budge. So the student came whining to me (I run the department).

I listened then told her, “you are under the false impression that anyone cares about your day-to-day struggles. Every student in this school faces similar challenges and yet, most overcome and get their work done.”

Instead, I suggested she eMail the teacher, explain that she is very sorry for missing class and that she will work her ass off trying to catch up.

It worked. Teacher let her stay in class. Student got notes from fellow students, signed up for some tutoring, and has made progress.

glacial's avatar

Damn, I was just asking myself this question.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

@tinyfaery Sorry, I’m just so tired of going through the meta section only to see people whining about the site, plus I’m really sick and feeling bitchy, so it puts me in the hated mood of, “You voluntarily created an account here, bonehead. If you don’t like it then STFU and delete your account.”

AshLeigh's avatar

Thank you.

hearkat's avatar

Love the tags!

AshLeigh's avatar

Yeah my panties are in a bunch. LOL!

SamandMax's avatar

The only problem I have with Fluther is that occasionally I get to see a bit fat pissed off squid telling me that there was an internal error – particularly when attempting to edit questions, but more often than not it has occurred whilst attempting to log on. I don’t bitch about the moderators, I think Augustlan and co do pretty good job of it. If anything I’d bitch more about the users I may have major disagreements with than Fluther itself. I don’t question the system, or the way it works.
Human beings have this ability, should they either choose to do so, or be able to do so, to adapt to certain environments. This is one of those environments where, if you can roll with the punches and take whatever the website has to offer without bitching about it, then it’s actually not a bad place to be. There will always be one or two people that get on your nerves (if you let them), but I don’t see any problem with Fluther in general.
So really, I think it’s a case of adapt or get out, unless there really is a very good reason to change something, why fix what ain’t broke?

Nice tags indeed….

ETpro's avatar

My new Queen, @WillWorkForChocolate. I bow before (or behind, depending on Your preference) your superior mind. Certainly Fluther should become a link farm. All questions that will ever be asked or should be asked have been asked, so between Google and Bing, we only need two links.

SamandMax's avatar

Google and Bing are both horrid yet extremely useful at the same time.
But if the entire Fluther website were to be littered with nothing but links to Google and Bing results, we’d have no fun whatsoever.

Mama_Cakes's avatar

Did the jelly who complained about the site no long ago stick around? I haven’t seen him post lately.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

If you’re referring to whom I think you’re referring, he’s been banned for being a jackass a dumbass a fucking whineybaby annoying.

Mama_Cakes's avatar

Ah, okay.

burntbonez's avatar

I totally agree. Questions complaining about complaining are top on my list to get rid of. I was having a good time until this question came along. Thanks, @WillWorkForChocolate. You’re a mensh!

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

@burntbonez LOL, happy to oblige!

Ela's avatar

I think the complainers should go create their own site : )

Kardamom's avatar

I think Fluther should be just as it is, including all of the complainers. Sometimes the complaints are hilarious rants, but it’s all part of the fun.

Symbeline's avatar

Yeah, I’m not a fan of the larvae, but you won’t see me complaining about it. It is fun, and besides that, we have a nice little thing going here with Fluther. Sometimes I wonder if some realize this, when compared to other bullshit sites like AssBag or Yahoo Assers. I used to like those kinds of places; until I came here, that is. Unless another Q&A is similar to this one…besides Fluther, I’m absolutely done with them.
We got freedom like mad here, and fun little features. I wouldn’t want to see any of it dismantled. The only thing I’ll complain about is the technical side of Fluther; I wish the site was maintained, instead of being left in limbo like it is. But eh it’s still here and it works, and when there IS a major problem, it IS looked at and fixed, so really, what’s to complain about?

And anyways about larvae, I think the only time people complain about how shitty a feature is it is is when they don’t get any, haha. You’ll never hear someone go, damn my man, gots me 12GA on an answer, I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION FOR THIS.

ucme's avatar

Some folks are only happy when they have something to moan about, a truly pathetic state of mind. I’d give them my pity if I weren’t too busy laughing at their self-serving bullshit.
I declare myself fluther’s coolest, most bad-arsed user, go on, complain if ya dare ;-}

Mama_Cakes's avatar

I honestly don’t pay attention to “larvae” anymore. Perhaps, ‘cause I already reached 30 K in another account.

augustlan's avatar

For what it’s worth, I don’t see the latest question about lurve as complaining. It’s more like just pondering, which I don’t mind. It’s not always a bad thing to discuss the site’s features.

Of course, even if we all wanted to change some major thing about the site, it’s not going to happen since there is no development at this point. Newer members may not be aware that no changes will be made or of the many, many, MANY, similar questions that have already been asked, so I don’t blame them for asking a question or two about why things are the way they are.

That said, once they know…it really is a matter of accepting that this is Fluther, and it’s not going to change. The system isn’t perfect, but it’s the best one we’ve got. Overall, it’s a damn good one.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

@augustlan That question wasn’t necessarily complaining about the lurve, it just got my panties in a bunch because I’m so tired of all the “we should change this” junk in meta. It also got my panties in a bunch because the OP was whining about the way things are and being incredibly rude to another jelly, for no friggin reason, in a different question. Maybe I should change my username to PantiesInABunch.

zensky's avatar

@filmfann Wow.I hate questions where the OP has answered the question posed. Can we get rid of those?

LOL.

SamandMax's avatar

or knickersinaknot

or KnottedKnickers but I don’t think that works well as it sounds like your gran may have knitted them

Kardamom's avatar

@undiesinawad

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

knickersinatwist? :D

SamandMax's avatar

spammyknickers

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

Okay, that one just conjures up images of spam filled undies. Eewww, haha!

SamandMax's avatar

Lol….yeah bit of a mess.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

<shudder> Makes me feel like I need a shower.

Symbeline's avatar

tell me when you’re ready for that shower ’‘winks’’

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

Is it hot in here, or…

ucme's avatar

Thong Rage…they cut so high it makes your eyes water.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

How did you know I wear… oh my God, you’ve been peeping through my windows again, haven’t you? If you had told me, I could have adjusted the blinds for you.

ucme's avatar

Uh-huh, not me, i’ve no fucking idea where ya live woman.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

Says the cheeky bloke who mailed me duct tape and thigh highs… Don’t lie, I saw the name on the return address label. It clearly said, “Fluther’s coolest, most bad-arsed user.”

ucme's avatar

okay, guilty as charged…Judge Judy!

SamandMax's avatar

With “arsed” I would have said Madam Speaker, rather than Judge Judy.

They could do with Betty Boothroyd back in that bloody House again.

ucme's avatar

Yeah, Bercow is a titular twat, i’d bang his wife though, if I could tear her away from Paddy the gypsy.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

Hey, hey, hey! Back on topic, y’all. Wait… what was the topic?

Ela's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate LoL you jacked your own thread!

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

Weren’t me, was Mrs. O’Leary’s cow.

I love ‘jacked threads, though! Me telling people to stop hijacking would be the beginning of the apocalypse. :D

AmWiser's avatar

Just sat down with my glass of wine (not Whine)...love the thread and
AMEN!

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

Is “panties in a bunch” a tag yet? I hope I don’t have to make up a question just to get that topic started.

nofurbelowsbatgirl's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate SnaggedDaGinch?
Step into the —public fluther—shower..we don’t wear da ginch in here! It’s free from stress and I am sure you will forget about the complaints!! And if you do complain I will snap your ass with your ginch :p

livelaughlove21's avatar

Bitching about other people bitching. Love it. ;)

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

I can’t seem to stop myself. :D

Really, it’s just that after several years of being here, the complaints about the website are beyond old, and waaay beyond annoying. I complained, myself, when I was a total noob, but eventually pulled my head out of my ass, and I pretty much expect the same from others who have been here for a while.

It bugs the crap out of me to see non-noob jellies bitch about the website again and again, since we’re all here voluntarily. It’s like picking up a ball, then bitching about the color of the ball you picked up. If it bothers you so much, then put the fucking ball down! So I get my panties in a bunch, and post a cranky STFU question. But don’t worry, it’s out of my system for now. For a few months. Maybe.

Bellatrix's avatar

Pats @WillWorkForChocolate‘s hand soothingly.

nofurbelowsbatgirl's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate I promise I will try hard to never complain about the color of your balls. ;)

nofurbelowsbatgirl's avatar

But just as notable, sometimes blue balls are worth complaining about!

jonsblond's avatar

Who can’t quit complaining? What did I miss?

ETpro's avatar

I’m absolutely certain that my stunning brilliance will result in my becoming obscenely wealthy any day now, and when I do, I’m going to buy Fluther and hire a development team that will blow your mind. We’ll remake and unmake this site till it accomplishes the impossible goal of pleasing everybody at once.

Weird how it’s been 70 years now, and my brilliance has yet to pull me far above the poverty line, but don’t you worry. My ship’s about to dock.

Paradox25's avatar

I mean wow, I come back from work, log on here and what do I find? A thread devoted to me, I’m absolutely flattered, seriously. In my defence here, since the OP obviously had other motives for writing this besides me ‘complaining’ about the lurve system, I’ll address you @WillWorkForChocolate when you wrote (obviously referring to me) being incredibly rude to another jelly, for no friggin reason, in a different question. Hold on here a second, I would post the question you’re pertaining to, so everyone could read what really happened instead of blindly taking your word, but I’m not sure I’d be allowed to, but it’s on section one of Meta.

First off, my response to that question was very passive for the most part, except when I just simply stated that it gets on my nerves when I ask a question in general and people don’t stay on topic and I have to repeat the details. There are many others on here who’ve made similar statements as well. I also simply stated that I try to stay on topic in social as well, but nowhere in that brief post did I criticize others for straying off topic in social. The OP’s response to me was very nasty, but it’s funny how you left that part out so conveniently. Yes, I countered it, but even my reactive response wasn’t as bad as the one I was responding to.

I have to ask you something @WillWorkForChocolate and the other user, what did I do to warrant that response? I do engage in strong debate on here, but so do many others. One thing I never did was personally attack either of you, but yet I get a response which clearly tried to provoke me, and I see this ‘question’ where you continue to take cheapshots at me? Seriously, I’m done with both of you, along with another one on here. Also, my counter response was in defense of others who get shit treatment by a certain group of users on here because they simply don’t go with the flow.

One other note, the entire purpose of Meta is to engage in discussion about fluther. You could of had simply just ignored the question instead of complaining about it yourself. People always bring up discussions about features on here. I also never claimed that I didn’t like fluther, and I frequently praise the mods and the site in general. This thread was obviously an attack on me. Hey though, I got great news for you, I’m not going to eliminate my account.

ucme's avatar

An interesting twist is that whenever someone does complain/whine, the thread goes on for-fucking-ever, an army of squishies descend upon it like ravenous vultures & hover there for days on end. I think some actually welcome those threads & would miss them if they didn’t pop up from time to time, feeding frenzy…fuck yeah!!

SamandMax's avatar

@livelaughlove21 Yep, great stuff. Beats the hell out of people in a house watching other people living in a house. >.<

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

@Paradox25 Whatthefuckever! The poster on the other question was not being “nasty” to you, but you jumped all over her. If you think everyone who makes a sarcastic joke is being nasty to you, then it’s a wonder you don’t feel personally attacked all the time.

And I hate to burst your humongous narcissistic bubble, but this question wasn’t “devoted to you,” nor was it “obviously an attack on you.” Your unnecessary, nasty, whining comment on the other thread, then seeing yet another “should Fluther change things” question in meta, when anyone who has been here for a while and has participated in other meta threads should know that asking about change right now is both old hat and totally pointless, is what prompted this, but my frustration doesn’t revolve around you. Frankly, I am more than a little disgusted that your egotistical BS comment has garnered 5 GAs.

Let me state again, in case you missed it the first time, this was not a question devoted to you, nor was it attacking you personally. If it were really a personal attack, I would have specifically mentioned you, and it would have been modded. But go on ahead- believe that it’s all about you, blow your ego up a little bit more and “be done with me” if it makes you feel better.

jonsblond's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate but you didn’t have a problem with this question: http://www.fluther.com/156404/would-you-like-a-new-filter-for-when-you-ask-a/ that was asked by an older user. (I’d love a link to this mysterious thread that’s being talked about)

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

No, I didn’t have a big problem with that one because it was asked more in the vein of “wouldn’t this be neat” instead of “should we change a major component of the site since some people don’t like it.” It was the manner of the asking.

glacial's avatar

@Paradox25 ”what did I do to warrant that response?”

I can’t speak for either jelly, but when I read your comment about people not reading details, I assumed that that exchange was fallout from this question of yours, in which you seemed to get quite frustrated that people were questioning the validity of the assumptions underlying your question, and then did not respond to any of the research done by that jelly.

I’m not defending anyone’s choice of words; I’m saying that they didn’t just spring from nowhere, as you seem to be indicating. I think that your “passive comment” was interpreted as passive-aggression. If you weren’t being passive-aggressive, then presumably it was all just a misunderstanding.

tinyfaery's avatar

Shake head. Roll eyes.

SamandMax's avatar

Of course instead of getting riled about answers not being on topic, there is always the good ol’ “Flag as” button. Saves a lot of preliminary bitching and shooting insults across the room from out of a damaged-ego-cannon.

zensky's avatar

Guys: Chill out a bit and choose words wisely. We’re a community – and a nice one. There will be misunderstandings – usually because this is all written; no tone, no body language – no to and fro – these aren’t discussions, but threads. 80% of communication is slashed and should be taken into conversation when attacking someone. Just a friendly suggestion from an old teacher and jelly who’s been here forever – and often makes the same mistakes.

SamandMax's avatar

Therein lies the problem though @zensky. We’re all human beings, we all interpret various things in different ways. I might say to you in jest that you are a quirky funny bugger, and you might think it a light-hearted comment based on your apparent skill in which you deftly drop in on a topic and just drop the occasional one-liner or witty retort and then sod off again, but another person might misconstrue that as being a bit of an insult because I could appear to them as being somewhat rude. It’s the human element behind the text on both sides of cyberspace that is the problem. It’s happens all the time.
I take stuff with a pinch of salt.
Maybe vinegar if I don’t feel it’s good enough to warrant just using salt.

Sadly, even I can sit here and say you are absolutely right (which I have just done essentially), and then go about my business as usual. I’ll then come back and act in a way that suggests I totally forgot about reading your comment or more specifically the content of the comment so it’s about as redundant as a Christian offering his or her Christian neighbour a sign of the peace when they both know they’re probably going to go out of the church doors and start arguing again! (one of the many reasons I don’t bother with going to church as well!)

rooeytoo's avatar

Questions like this give everyone an opportunity to say their piece. The ones who think fluther and its “founders” are perfect and should never be criticized get to crap on anyone who dares to complain. And those who think fluther could improve can have their chance to point out room for improvement. This question already has 75 answers, it gets everyone up and moving except those who find it boring and avoid meta in general.

nofurbelowsbatgirl's avatar

To be or not to be, that is the question.

Every community is going to have it’s ups and downs, that is true. This community is on the internet. So essentially to have a similar feeling you might as well communicate with your living next door neighbor by morse code and never leave your house.
The fluther community is all things coming together in one common place and because we typically do not meet all of each and every one of each other who passes through or stays we should let this be a non judgemental community., I can’t see you, you can’t see me, we can’t hear tone, we interpret..so whats to judge? Anothers opinion? Well, isnt that why fluther is here so we can share that? If this opinion is forcing itself into your life, youve got to ask why, because at the end of the day the internet gets turned off and you go to sleep beside your real neighbors in your real community and that should be what affects your life.

Well thats just my thought.
Hopefully it makes sense :)
I love Fluther and all my jellie neighbors I learned a long time ago not to try to take things personal though.

SamandMax's avatar

Although I get your point @nofurbelowsbatgirl, the probably scary thing is that in the wider world around us the internet never, never gets turned off

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jonsblond's avatar

someone needs a new username. how about zen’spantiesinabunch

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

He can’t do that. I’m going to trademark pantiesinabunch so no one else can steal my alter ego. :D

jonsblond's avatar

chocolatepantiesinabunch :)

zensky's avatar

Someone said ZenGlitterpants… maybe.

And I’ve flagged myself ^ sorry. I was joking around.

Symbeline's avatar

I still vote for Zensation.

zensky's avatar

Smacks back. Phasers on stunned. Oops. Flunking again…

zensky's avatar

I’ll Be Back.

Bye bye.

MilkyWay's avatar

Oooh, is it flirt with Zen time??

zensky's avatar

^Jailbait – nice to see you – how’s school?

I don’t flirt with girls who could be my great grand kids.

Anyone up for CHAT?

MilkyWay's avatar

@zensky Thats what you say sweetheart. I blush just thinking about what you do ;)
I’m already there btw.

zensky's avatar

I’ll be there in a sec.

nofurbelowsbatgirl's avatar

I want some chocolatepantiesinabunch :p

@samandmax It’s the matrix :/ Cyber Martial law could turn the internet off snappety snap.

nofurbelowsbatgirl's avatar

Hey, who hijacked the thread

SamandMax's avatar

@zensky, as it so happens this is a second account.

zensky's avatar

Aha. And you are….? @SamandMax

Anyways I flagged my comments. They were unworthy and impolite, tho in jest.

glacial's avatar

“chocolatepantiesinabunch”

Thanks a bunch for that image, @jonsblond

jonsblond's avatar

@glacial You’re welcome. =)

ucme's avatar

I’m a deep pool!?! Cool, inviting &...wait a minute, you meant out of my depth didn’t you fartface?

augustlan's avatar

Sheesh, I take a day off and it’s chaos. CHAOS I tell you!

I hope everyone’s feathers are soothed by now. Lurve you all.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

Feathers soothed, coffee in hand…

Is this the part of the thread where we discuss food and nudity?

TheobromosHumper's avatar

I’m always up for talking about food!

… but I don’ t like to talk about nudity.

I do like to to do it, though!

Excellent job trolling, chocolate maven. But you better watch out! I’m here now. I can do anything better than you (at least, with respect to chocolate—mmmmm).

nofurbelowsbatgirl's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate I have been trying to for some time now! you’re Chocolatepantiesinabunch iAteThemAlongTIMEAGO. ¯\(°_o)/¯

cookieman's avatar

@augustlan: Jellies don’t have feathers silly.

glacial's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate First you’re going to have to lose the feathers.

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