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My very Christian friend asked this question regarding the military budget cuts do you think it's church brainwash, or relevant [Details inside]?

Asked by pleiades (2089 points ) 2 months ago

So USA, how do you think we’ll defend ourselves with all the budget cuts with our military? That’s including our soldiers, our weaponry (they recently sent out ships a few months ago that weren’t ready for battle), our nukes (big budget cuts on those) and cutting down MORE MILITARY.

This is from her FaceBook.

I immediately thought there was hardly any facts regarding the topic and just full of pot holes in her argument.

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ETpro's avatar

We only spend more than the next 12 nations together on our military. How are we to exist with such paltry military spending? What, are we supposed to learn to actually get along with other countries or something?

pleiades's avatar

@ETpro I was thinking she’s just playing all this on fear since she had no clue/no idea how many nuclear weapons the U.S. possesses! I didn’t want to put her on blast on FaceBook though. I knew she was a Christian, but now that her boyfriend is in the AirForce she’s becoming a political Christian.

dabbler's avatar

“Political Christian” egad!
Was there any connection in her post between the budget cuts and her Christianity, or is that just a coincidence?
Did she notice that the politicos most to blame for the budget cuts are also the most belligerently Christian?
Is her boyfriend in the AirForce also belligerently Christian?

I’d like to see a citation of facts around ‘sent out ships a few months ago that weren’t ready for battle’. For one thing a new ship can be sent out for a shakedown cruise before it’s fully fitted for battle. And a few months ago the sequester had not taken place and the U.S. military has tons of money to work with, if they did send them out unready for battle then it was not related to the budget cuts.

elbanditoroso's avatar

I think your friend has some facts wrong – see some of the previous answers.

But the real point I want to make is this: The US military takes huge amounts of our government funding. Proper management of that money (i.e. buying things we need, instead of what politicians want) will enable us to defend any attacks at all. Like so many things in government, the Congress doesn’t always make the right decisions.

glacial's avatar

To say that your friend holds these views about the military because she is a “political Christian” does not really make sense. It is possible to be a Christian (one who follows the teachings of Christ) and abhor military spending. It is possible to be a political Christian and not be a right-winger. Take Joe Biden as an example – he is devoutly Catholic, but also a liberal, and you can see that the programs that he works towards are in some ways an expression of his faith.

I know what you mean when you say “political Christian”, because the right has been courting Christians as a group for a long time. But when you preface this whole story by saying that your friend is a Christian, I think you are straying from arguments that might be useful. If your friend makes some kind of connection between her religion and right wing policies, then you have an argument that she might be able to hear – that right wing policies do not actually align well at all with Christianity. But if she hasn’t made that connection, then I think you should leave religion out of this discussion, and focus on the fact that she has her facts wrong.

syz's avatar

Post this on her page. And this.

gambitking's avatar

There’s no “argument” there. It was a question. I don’t get how such a question is full of ‘pot holes’.

CWOTUS's avatar

Although I generally favor large cuts in Defense spending, I will play devil’s advocate here for a bit and argue a little for the other side.

I don’t know how many jellies were “awake and aware” during the 1980s and earlier when the US and the USSR faced each other in the Cold War. But for all of the 1980s and going back to the 1950s (my entire lifetime up to that point), the USSR was a military superpower on near-par with US forces (or so we thought) until the day came when their ships could no longer put to sea for lack of fuel, their ships in port were cut off from shore power because they no longer paid their electric bills and their army and air force was more or less grounded and unfunded. In fact, at the time that their military stopped functioning they coincidentally became for a time a “Confederation of Independent States” (dominated by Russia, which as an Independent State is still the largest geographical nation on Earth). They still had their nukes, of course, but they didn’t have effective defenses to prevent anyone else from invading the country and taking them over – or launching them at us.

In other words, they “defense spent” themselves into political near-oblivion as a nation. Had we been as warlike as many assume that we are, we would have chosen that time to launch the missiles and various invasion forces to assure the complete annihilation of Soviet / Russian forces and make sure that they were not only “too broke to fight”, but physically broken and burning, too. Although a land invasion and takeover of the USSR would never have been likely or possible, “strategic invasion and capture” was always a possibility. (For all I know, it may still be on someone’s radar in terms of planning, possibility and conjecture.)

When that happens to us, the fear is that our enemies may not look upon us with the same forbearance. We may not get the pass that we gave to the Soviets.

If we’re going to have a large military, and as a continental power with three ocean coasts and the largest undefended borders in the world (notwithstanding a stupid fence), it is necessary to have “significant” defense, then that has to be paid for, maintained and improved over time, or it will degrade into uselessness. We can and will spend ourselves into the same bankruptcy that the Soviets did, but we’ll do it in a different way, via Medicare, Social Security and Defense.

But as I said, I do favor judicious cuts in our military. I don’t believe that we need eleven aircraft carrier task force groups, for example. (A carrier task force includes a lot more than an aircraft carrier, since it includes the escort and defense screening surface ships for the carrier, attack submarines patrolling the perimeter and support ships for everyone.) Aside from the horrific expense involved in putting this massive force to sea for training and readiness, with the rapid improvements in submarine and land-to-sea and air-to-sea missile technology (as demonstrated in 1982 in the Falklands War), surface ships are becoming more and more “targets-rich environments” to unfriendly nations.

For an example of that, see what a small group of dedicated terrorists did with a small surface launch to the destroyer USS Cole about fifteen years ago. It’s true that our defense procedures and policies change over time as these things happen, but that’s a prime example of the kind of asymmetric warfare that “aircraft carriers” and other capital ships have a harder and harder time defending themselves against.

To conclude, although I think we spend too much for the wrong kinds of defense, we do need to continue to spend a lot. The problem is that “the military” is very conservative when it comes to “spending on what has worked in the past” and not so eager to adapt to new technology until the tactics of their opponents have proven to them – in battle – that their technology is outdated and ineffective.

thorninmud's avatar

See this article on the biological link between conservatism and fear.

If conservatives do have this heightened sense of threat, it’s not surprising that they would be both obsessed with military strength and drawn to the idea of being under the protection of an all-powerful God.

KNOWITALL's avatar

I think it’s relevant, not church doctrine. Let’s just give some more F-16’s away, other countries need them more than we do. What’s the worst that could happen? :)

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