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What to do when your boss won't quit?

Asked by lolly72 (16points) April 29th, 2013

I’m stuck in a really bad situation.
My boss has completely lost interest in his job. Our store is basically his home away from home. He doesn’t have internet, so he comes in and stays on facebook all day in his office.
Not to mention hes a gossip-monger, who constantly puts down the managers in our other five stores right in front of the other employees. This man is very unprofessional. I won’t even go into the belching and other audible, public bodily noises.

A woman supervises the managers in our five different locations. She sees how he behaves but ignores it. The tricky part is that hes way past average retirement age. No one wants to fire him so they’re just waiting it out. He always says once he pays off his house, he’ll retire… but isn’t that a bad reason to work somewhere? Shouldn’t he enjoy the work environment?

The boss is really making the work environment very uncomfortable for the five employees at our shop. Everyone wants the shop to go well, but the boss’ rudeness and disinterest in even advertising events has turned our store into a ghost town.

I’m beginning to resent the woman supervisor because she doesn’t hold my boss accountable for his actions. And going in to work every day, seeing him slack off while I work hard, is insulting.

Whats your opinion? What should I do?

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poisonedantidote's avatar

Here are your best choices:

1— Do absolutely nothing about it, unless it affects your pay. just ignore it and wait it out.

2— Find another job and then leave the company for a new one.

Keep in mind that we have serious economic problems, and jobs are not that easy to find.

EDIT:

Even if the boss starts howling at the moon and walking around naked claiming to be napoleon, as long as you get paid the same amount, it does not concern you, and it is best left ignored.

ninjacolin's avatar

Communicate. let him know how you feel about the job. let him know how he makes you feel.

Bellatrix's avatar

You are between a rock and a hard place. His supervisor obviously knows about his behaviour and is choosing not to act. If you force the issue you will put her in an embarrassing position and that won’t go well for you. I tend to think @poisonedantidote is right, you do have two options. Wait him out and try to cover your back by making sure you do your job well or leave. If you have annual reviews you could perhaps ask for advice about how to deal with some of the problems the ‘store’ is experiencing to identify that you are conscientious and want to see the store improve. This could provide an opportunity to discreetly point to the problems the manager is causing without saying ‘why aren’t you fixing that?’. However, by the sound of it, his supervisor doesn’t want to take him on so I doubt even that will help.

OneBadApple's avatar

Maybe you and a few co-workers can request a quiet meeting with the woman supervisor to formally express your concerns about how this guy’s behavior is bad for the company, and that all of you find it unacceptable.

This may or may not result in any changes, but it is your professional responsibility and is much better than doing nothing at all….
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lolly72's avatar

@Bellatrix There aren’t any reviews (which is maybe why this goes on without being checked).
My biggest annoyance is that if this person were to leave, I’m next in line for the position. The store is actually a public library. My boss doesn’t involve the community in anything or plan any programs. Worst of all, everything he buys is focused toward the elderly community. Any time I suggest something, he declares that the community doesn’t want our help. That it isn’t worth the trouble.
This situation is all sorts of corrupt. Corrupt that hes taking advantage of this job and corrupt that the supervisor won’t fix anything. We don’t even get support from the city anymore because of our lack of involvement.

Bellatrix's avatar

Can you gather allies? By that I mean if you have a good idea don’t ask him about it, email him and his supervisor and other people who are in a decision making role? If you get permission to run programs from above, at least you may be able to get some action going? It also means he has to reject your proposal to those above too. The ideas you have aren’t being lost because he never passes them on.

KNOWITALL's avatar

If a customer complained they will listen I bet. Set it up so it can’t come back on you.

Blueroses's avatar

As @KNOWITALL suggests, but perhaps in a more proactive way.

The boss sounds: A) Burned out and B) lonely and attention seeking.

Can you get permission to set up a suggestion box or a short questionnaire for your patrons, asking what services they would like to receive from you and where they see you’re falling short? I can’t see any supervisor turning down that sort of request.

Once you have some feedback, go to the supervisor and tell her “This is what we’re hearing. Mr X is obviously well versed in social media so he could be the perfect point-person to research ways we can implement our customer’s requests.”

Maybe it would give him a sense of feeling necessary and generate some improvements?

CWOTUS's avatar

Perhaps you could find a copy of Who Moved My Cheese? and anonymously leave it on his desk some morning.

Or read it yourself, and give a copy to the supervisor, which may be even better for both of you.

Inspired_2write's avatar

Have all the staff submit their grievances together to your employers boss.
If one does it and the others hold back it will not work, as you may get laid off.
If you are the only one complaining it will look as if you were an opportunist vying for his job?
Also, do you have a Union?
Also is there a grievance procedure that employees are to follow?
Check these out first and follow the guidelines outlined for your case.
Good Luck.
I had an employer/owner who slacked off…I eventually left that job.
It was the best thing for me! One and a half years later I retired early.
I live in a Seniors Apartment complex with subsidized rent and I am secure and happily
outlining my future goals.

keobooks's avatar

If you’re next in line for the position, I wouldn’t do anything against him as it would look like you were trying to get him fired so you could take his job. He may be more popular than you think—which is one reason he can keep his job and not do much.

I remember working with a staff of 3 women. Everyone was great except for one who came in late, left early and took long lunches. She did less work than everyone else and also didn’t really seem to care about her job. Everyone else was so enthusiastic and did the woman’s work for her.

When I left the job (I was a temporary consultant) – they asked me my opinions on the staffing situation and I gave it to them—this woman wasn’t pulling her weight and the other two were doing all the work for her. I said that perhaps there only needed to be two people doing that job. They decided only one person needed to do the job. They fired the two women who actually did the work and kept the lazy one.

Guess who was best friends with all of the members of the library board of directors? Yeah..

keobooks's avatar

Yeah. Don’t try to screw with small town library or school staffing. You never know who is buddy/buddy with the library or school board. Staffing things that make no sense to an outsider become really clear if you know the town gossip.

Blueroses's avatar

Yep. You don’t know who found someone’s panties in a married guy’s desk drawer.

Bellatrix's avatar

@keobooks – yep, seen that plenty of times. I see similar in my workplace now. People know this guy isn’t doing his job but they’re letting him stay there. There has to be a reason and by the sound of it, it isn’t that they aren’t aware.

dabbler's avatar

The above suggestions are most useful, but I add the mix a screwball idea from left field.
As a reverse-psychology exercise, ask him to mentor you. “How do you do such a fantastic job?” etc.
He might or might not catch on to the actual intention but it might rattle his cage enough to get him to suddenly have in mind what it takes to do a good job.

livelaughlove21's avatar

Deal with it like everyone else that dislikes their job or quit and find something else.

keobooks's avatar

I was talking to my friend who worked with me at this consulting job. She lived in the town and kept up with what was going on. It turns out the situation was more tricky than I thought. When they fired the two women who actually worked and kept the lazy one—the lazy one quit soon afterwards (because work suddenly got HARD) then they never rehired anyone for that position. They got rid of the entire department. I think the library director knew they couldn’t fire that woman because of her ties to the board, but also knew she’d quit if she actually had to do the work.

There’s a point to that somewhere. I still wouldn’t mess with the guy.

rooeytoo's avatar

So you want to get rid of him because you are next in line for the job??? Makes whatever you say or do suspect and rightly so. Remember the only person in the world you can control is you, so do that. You do the best you can do and the rest will take care of itself with time. Probably not what you want to hear, but that is reality. As was said above, jobs are not that easy to come by so be cool.

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