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bookish1's avatar

Does this make me uncool?

Asked by bookish1 (13159points) May 14th, 2013

A relative question, I know. And I am already aware that I am drastically uncool by the standards of my peer group (mid-20 somethings.)

In the past month, two good buddies of mine (and both closer to their 30s than I am) have gently ragged on me for the fact that I listen to only “old” music. (Old in the sense that….the bands began in the 1980s-1990s. Yeah, I know, ridiculous. One of these friends is even a fellow historian.)

I keep up with the new releases of my favorite bands, but I am definitely not on a constant search for novelty. I know what kind of music I enjoy, and I don’t expend energy looking for new bands to get into. Occasionally I will, thanks to a friend, radio station, or concert, but left to my own devices, I largely listen to the same kinds of music that I enjoyed in high school and college.

Is this all that unusual?

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janbb's avatar

I’m kinda stuck in the 60s folk scene and 60s and 70s Classic rock scene so if you’re uncool, you’ve got company here.

thorninmud's avatar

Here’s a great article from a recent New York Magazine about the powerful effect of high school in forming our preferences and worldview. As it says, most of us continue to prefer the same music we liked in high school throughout our adult lives.

ucme's avatar

Ha, even as a kid I was into Laurel & Hardy, old Cagney movies & Harold Lloyd shorts, okay, it’s not music related, but we’re in the same ballpark here at least.
I think “old stuff” is supercool by default alone…which has always been good enough for me.

zenvelo's avatar

There are 70’s and 80’s radio stations around here, and they do well playing nothing younger than 30 years old. I guess a lot of people feel the way you do @bookish1. I think it is common for people to favor music from when they were teens and in their twenties.
I am of an age that had its musical heyday from 1965 to 1980. And I have a large number of friends who have no idea what I am talking about when I mention a current band. I listen to both old and new music- Shins, Voyces, Fun, Imagine Dragons, but also Talking Heads, Fleetwood Mac, Doors…

LornaLove's avatar

Oh yes most definitely ….I would never hang out with you, Id feel far to embarrassed in case you blasted it out of the car whilst we prowled the streets at night. OK, just joking heh. No music is a personal taste in fact ironically many younger people are enjoying 80’s music which kind of makes you cool (sorry!).

Seek's avatar

Let the “cool” kids have their shitty drum machine/autotuned garbage, and you and I can rock out. You bring the grunge, I’ll bring the rockabilly. Brian Setzer Orchestra anyone?

Blackberry's avatar

@Seek_Kolinahr But…but…..“Wub wub wub wub wubwubwubwub”.

glacial's avatar

I think that an essential part of keeping myself alive and engaged with the world is to look for new music. I couldn’t imagine freezing my musical tastes in one era. And anyway, what I’ve found is that the more I hear, the broader my interests become. There is much that I would not have discovered about music or myself if I had not kept listening; genres that I now love which I would never have listened to in high school.

And… you’re a historian! I would have thought that you’d be keen on keeping in touch with current trends. History in the making, so to speak. :)

KNOWITALL's avatar

No way, music is so subjective that it’s an ‘eye of the beholder’-type situation. I’ve been ragged on for liking my mom’s old Jim Croce and myself for working out to Hooked on Classics in high school.

Working in the music industry for over ten years now, I can tell you there is a place for all music and all tastes, that’s what makes this industry so fun, innovative and ever evolving, much like music itself. Be original, not a Top 40 hahaha!

syz's avatar

There’s nothing wrong with being loyal to your favorite musicians, but don’t you ever feel that you’re limiting yourself by not also seeking out new music?

It’s like having a favorite painter but not visiting the world’s museums because you only want to see your “regulars” – why limit your world like that?

Berserker's avatar

You listen to what you like. Old or new, classic or mainstream, popular or obscure, fuck it. You like what you like man. Does that make you uncool? Not for me anyways. You kick ass. :)

Adirondackwannabe's avatar

@Symbeline I was trying to find the words to phrase my answer but I can’t phrase it any better than you did.
@bookish1 I like everything from classical to jazz to rock, even some country, and I always will give something new a listen. But if you have a period you favor that’s totally cool. We all have different tastes. It makes the world fun. Otherwise everything would be elevator music.

Seek's avatar

@syz – Most of my favourite “modern” bands – that is, bands I like that are still producing music – I found purely by chance. A friend asked to borrow my Rent soundtrack, liked it so much he wanted to keep it, so in trade I accepted a Loreena McKennitt CD. Instant infatuation. Or I’ll go to a concert and the opening band – whom I’ve never heard of – will really blow me away. Thank you, 3!

When the radio dictates to me which new band I should like, I generally disagree. There are occasional exceptions. I happen to enjoy Lady Gaga’s first and second albums, for instance.

I don’t seek out new bands. I allow them to come to me.

JLeslie's avatar

Um, then a bunch of us are uncool. I listen to music from my parents day, 50’s and 60’s, sometimes. Growing up was 70’s and 80’s, still like a lot of that music too. I also listen to Latin American music, and other international music. I think being very narrow about music is what should be considered uncool. You listen to many eras, that seems like a good thing to me.

snowberry's avatar

I have audio processing issues. If there are words, it is really important to me to be able to understand them. If I like the music, but don’t like the message, it’s a deal breaker for me.

So no, I don’t follow popular music, opera, or lots of other music. Instrumentals with a clear melody work for me.

Pachy's avatar

We all have own taste in music, largely formed, I think, when we’re young. I was a young kid when Bing Crosby and Big Band were the rage, became a teenager when Sinatra and Elvis and so many others were popular, and was a very young adult when the Beatles hit. I love all that music, plus many other genres. Enjoy the music you love and extend your middle er, baton to anyone who doesn’t think it’s cool.

ZEPHYRA's avatar

Nope, you ARE more than cool!

Michael_Huntington's avatar

You could always make up band names and genres
Example: I listen to Jimmy Johnny and the Sex Machines. Their early work was really synth folk, but their recent albums have a post-free form jazz feel. They only play in coffee houses.

I guarantee you will be the coolest person ever.

SavoirFaire's avatar

As the song says, it’s hip to be square.

That song’s still cool, right?

tups's avatar

It’s not uncool at all. Music does not have an expiration date!
I am not yet over 20 and I listen to lots of music from the 60’s and 70’s. I don’t know much about the current music myself, maybe I am uncool, but I think a lot of the music today is slightly uncool.

Plucky's avatar

It’s not uncool. People who can’t accept differences in taste are uncool.

I listen to music from all modern decades and genres. Granted, some genres are more popular with me. I’ve got music from back to the 30’s, which I love. I certainly didn’t grow up with it.

Of course, I also listen to classical and big band stuff which is way older.

The issue, these days, is you have to sift through so much garbage to find the really good stuff (in regards to new music). Apparently, you also don’t have to have real musical talent now either. There was a time when you actually had to be really..really…good to be somebody.

Unbroken's avatar

Another vote for the old stuff. It can be very evocative to me. Trigger memories.

Also we had some great music. Further back then the 80’s.

I’m no purist and I do listen to a bit of pop and occasionally I will find an artist I like, but it is not an active search.

Eggie's avatar

You are cool for being yourself, and liking what you like. They are uncool for saying that you are uncool. Being original that’s cool

CWOTUS's avatar

I’m more uncool than you. (So there!) Some of my most favorite music is Beethoven, Mozart, Grieg, Wagner, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Vivaldi, Pachelbel… and others who predate your selections by centuries.

Not that I don’t also like a lot of music that’s much more up-to-date (even if not cutting edge) such as Bon Ivor, The Shins, Outtasight… and… and… well, I don’t have my iPod handy, and I can’t even recall all of the names of the newer groups and artists that I like now.

I even like Country and Folk music that I used to abhor, and I mostly abhor the stuff that I grew up with in high school and loved at the time. (With some notable exceptions such as Classical Gas, Love Is Blue and certain others.)

You’re cool enough, and I don’t care how cool I am. Or not.

KNOWITALL's avatar

You’re only uncool if you like the monk chanting like me, so says my husband. :)

Seek's avatar

Fucking love Gregorian Chant.

Berserker's avatar

@KNOWITALL Dude, monk chanting is awesome. Granted, I don’t know much about it, and this Gregorian group isn’t legit monk chant because actual chants aren’t supposed to have music in them. Still, it’s awesome.

ucme's avatar

Monk chanting accompanied by those nasal pan pipe thingies & maybe a nice big gong…yeah, too much.

marinelife's avatar

It’s very typical for your musical tastes to freeze.

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

Wow, I am delighted to find so many people with whon I shame musical tastes. That mean within that group, I might still me considered cool. Is it really that important to be declared cool by your peers. Why not just be you?

Blueroses's avatar

Eclectic taste = interesting person.

You may not even like the current pop hits until you’re old enough for them to make you feel nostalgic.

We always have the radio going at work. First person on the scene chooses the station so it varies from jazz to country to screaming metal and others.

Occasionally a song gets ratcheted up and everyone joins in… You know you’re having fun at work when everyone ages early-20s to late 60’s is shouting along to the Beastie Boys!
And your mom threw away your best porno mag!

ucme's avatar

Busted!

Bellatrix's avatar

Probably more due to your lack of time than your lack of cool.

It does sound like you’re in a rut musically.

Tell your critics to put together a range of music they feel you’re missing out on and you’ll give it a go.

augustlan's avatar

Psh. You’re cool to me, anyway.

Everyone has their own tastes. As for me, I listen to everything, old and new. The 80s is my era and I love to rock out when an old favorite is on, but I never listen to 80s radio stations. It would be boring to me. I like an eclectic mix.

SadieMartinPaul's avatar

Doesn’t “cool” mean being comfortable in your own skin and confident about yourself? Cool people are so self-assured and certain about who they are.

Following the pack, like so much livestock in a field, and adopting whatever’s trendy? Uncool.

Trying different things, developing your own tastes, and knowing what’s right for you? Extremely cool.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

We have a local band with a good size following that is:

Twenties to thirties for members of the band.

Plays only Frank Sinatra and Tony Bennett.

Fly's avatar

Yes, which in turn, actually just makes you a hipster. ;)

OpryLeigh's avatar

When I was between the ages of 6 and 15 years old I only really enjoyed music from the 50s, 60s and, at a push, the 70s (my favourite band was Abba!) and show tunes. I was bullied for my taste in music throughout my school days.

Nowadays, I am much more open minded. I still love the older music but I appreciate a lot of newer music too.

I think Pink had the right idea when she sang “So if you’re to school for cool” That sounds like us lot!

rojo's avatar

My son used to catch crap from his friends for the same reason. He just shrugged it off and kept on listening.

Now his latest love is the music of Robert Johnson and Mississippi John Hurt.

rooeytoo's avatar

I was chuckling about the atheists enjoying Gregorian chant, made me figure they either don’t listen to the words or don’t understand latin. Then I listened to your link @rojo and now I get it! I still prefer the real thing, but that isn’t too bad. I do know the translations after 4 years of latin and a lot of years of catholic school, I should, but I still like it anyhow.

I am not a great music person, it is usually in the background but I am not necessarily aware of it. I do like songs I recognize which means the late 50’s through the early 70’s mostly. I like the rythm of some rap but I don’t like all the swearing, cop hating and female bashing. And I am definitely not uncool so @bookish1 I would say you are not either!

Seek's avatar

@rooeytoo – that’s like saying I can’t enjoy Bach or Michelangelo because they were contracted by churches.

Art for art’s sake. I don’t need to believe the fairy tale in order to appreciate the creative energies put into an artform.

In fact, I also enjoy Greek sculpture, traditional native American music and dance, and Egyptian archaeology. That’s a lot of religions to disagree with.

rooeytoo's avatar

@Seek_Kolinahr – you make comparisons that make no sense to me as in your first sentence. That is so far out there I can’t even comment.

The second sentence is rude in that you insult religion and those who believe by referring to it as a fairy tale, but at least the thought makes sense.

With regard to the third sentence, congratulations but I wasn’t aware that all greek sculpture, etc. was based on religious concepts, therefore I don’t think that sentence makes sense either.

But no worries, if it suits your brand of logic, that is all that matters. And look, you received 2 lurves and I didn’t get any, so you are one of the gang and apparently others understand your logic even though it seems convoluted to me.

JLeslie's avatar

I’m an atheist and I love religious art, specifically the Baroque period. Some of my mom’s favorite music by Elvis is his Gospel music. There is beauty in these things to our eyes and ears.

Seek's avatar

Bach’s Jesu, Joy of Man’s Desiring

Greek sculpture depicting Various mythological figures and deities

Sistine chapel by Michaelangelo

Pages of the Book of Kells

Indian Erotic Art

Am I not allowed to enjoy and appreciate all these various artforms because I do not subscribe to the religions they portray?

CWOTUS's avatar

@rooeytoo you may find it rude to have religion dismissed as “fairy tales”, but you should understand the atheist position a little better. That is: “one god more”.

Believers in [whatever] have their own set of deities, prophets, trinities and single gods, and dismiss all the rest as “fairy tales”, even if they don’t use that term. (Infidel, pagan, goyim, heathen, kafir, unbeliever and heretic are the “polite” terms that religionists use to dismiss us… and believers in other religions. Based on that, calling others’ religions “fairy tales” doesn’t seem so rude to me. It’s certainly no worse than calling them myths.)

Anyway, atheists just disbelieve in “one god more” than you do. If there are 10,000 false gods to you, then there are at least 10,001 to an atheist. How is that rude?

Seek's avatar

It’s certainly a lot less rude than threatening an eternity of torture, or going so far as burning those “infidels” at the stake.

augustlan's avatar

I love me some gospel music.

rooeytoo's avatar

@CWOTUS – I didn’t think you would be coming to the aid of poor little @Seek_Kolinahr but since you did, I think she was deliberately being rude, ask her? And you are assuming I believe in a god, or 10,000 gods and I didn’t. An atheist or a religious maniac can disagree without resorting to childish or snide insults.

And just out of curiosity when was the last stake burning? I didn’t hear anything about it on Fox news? Although the Syrians are doing a bit of decapitating and the muslims are still out hunting for their 42 virgins.

I found it amusingly ironic that one can like gregorian chant when most of it is in praise of a god whose existence they deny. But @Seek_Kolinahr, that is the joy of living in a free society, you can like whatever you want and make ignorant fun of whatever you want and I can laugh my ass off at you and @cwotus and the irony if I want. Ain’t we got fun!!!

bookish1's avatar

And this is why I am glad we have Social…. Long live the culture wars. (Just kidding.)

Thank you for your responses, everyone!

Blueroses's avatar

The churches can inspire some great music!

I even dig hitting up a Baptist Tent Revival just for the tunes and the slap-ass craziness. I draw the line at serpent-handling though.

Bellatrix's avatar

I’m an atheist and I too love gospel music and even some hymns. It’s not about the words and praising god, it’s the rhythm and beat and the passion of the music.

rooeytoo's avatar

That’s ironic!!!

Seek's avatar

Hark, Kettle! Thou art black!

Seek's avatar

Let me see if I get this straight:

I say I enjoy Gregorian chant.

@rooeytoo makes an unasked for comment about atheists enjoying chant.

I defend my right to enjoy art regardless of its inspiration from stories in which I do not see truth.

@rooeytoo calls me rude and insults my logic.

I continue to defend my right to enjoy art. Then, in a moment of frustration, I comment on the absurdity in calling me rude for using the phrase “fairy tale”, in comparison to the historical and modern attacks on the nonreligious by the religious.

@rooeytoo accuses me of being childish, snide, rude, and ignorant.

…all because I enjoy acapella in stone hallways. Wow.

Berserker's avatar

@rooeytoo Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you?

rooeytoo's avatar

My original remark was not even directed at @seek, you are not the only atheist in the crowd. I find it ironic that people who deny the existence of a god, then say they like the songs that praise this non existent god. I believe we still have free speech even in fluther and I am allowed to say my opinion.

So because my opinion doesn’t agree with @Seek_Kolinahr‘s view of the situation, she jumped on my case and tells me how wrong I am with what I consider illogical examples. So I tell her that. I didn’t say you couldn’t enjoy anything you please, I said I find it ironic. So now somehow burning at the stake comes into the picture, interesting progression don’t you think?

Then @CWOTUS feels a need to jump in with her I guess to help her out against big bad me.

I accused you of being rude because you can’t resist the fairy tale remark. And that is rude and ignorant and snide. And you know damned well all of those were your intent.

But I reiterate, you can enjoy anything you want, I never questioned your enjoyment, I did and continue to think that is ironic. But hey, I guess you can like the sound track without liking the movie.

@Symbeline – nothing is wrong with me, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Lastly @bookish1 – I apologize for my part in the disintegration of your question. I am really beginning to wonder if I am so damned difficult to get along with or the place is getting overrun with pious rectums.

Berserker's avatar

Meh, you’re the one who jumped on Seek’s case a lot more than she did on you.

rooeytoo's avatar

Can you read??? I didn’t even address her specifically until she got on me. It appears as if she feels she has a superior intellect and enjoys bullying me. But what does this have to do with you? Are you her guardian angel???

Seek's avatar

Re-read all of the comments between us. Keep a tally of ad hominem remarks. Who is on whose case here? Who is bullying whom?

ucme's avatar

I know, lets play a song of peace, coming atcha from the…err, pan handle?

JLeslie's avatar

@rooeytoo Maybe it all was blown out of porportion, and I can’t speak for @Seek_Kolinahr but I think what added to it was you called Seek illogical, her brand of logic, and far out there, when to most of us I think it made perfect sense what she wrote about Michelangelo and Greek sculptures.

Tons of art is based in a religious context.

I think it just seemed odd that you were surprised atheists appreciate religious art, music we even visit churches when touring on vacation.

I do understand why you say it is a little ironic, I don’t understand why it is surprising.

ucme's avatar

Oh the irony of calling someone illogical who has an avatar of Spock…tee-hee.

rooeytoo's avatar

Alright @Seek_Kolinahr is the poor put upon little darling of fluther who has all her friends and relatives rushing to her aid. I have always found the best way out of a situation such as this is to take all the blame, deserved or not, so that the put upon can get on with life. So yep, I am the bully, I started it, I should never have said it was ironic, I should never have chuckled and I should never have responded to you at all, cuz you are like another flutherite who just has to win, so you win! Now I will go hang my head in shame and maybe I should just never answer a question that you are involved in, thus not giving you the opportunity to single me out. But you seem to be in here all hours of the day, so there may not be any questions left for me to answer.

ucme's avatar

Just for the record here, i’m certainly not taking sides, keepin outta that shit, just added a little humour, that’s all.

Seek's avatar

* eyeroll *

JLeslie's avatar

@rooeytoo You called all of us illogical, I am not defending “poor Seek” she is able to defend herself.

bookish1's avatar

Folks, it’s just… the Internet. There is no winning.

JLeslie's avatar

Well, just to defend @rooeytoo a little, I agree it is rude to call God or Christianity a fairytale. It is rude when Christians dismiss other people’s religious beliefs and rude when non Christians and athiests say it also. I think generally atheists and people who are not Christian are just so tired of some of the hypocrisy some Christians exhibit that we are tired from it, and lose our own social niceties. I guess it is a case of you get what you give. I’m talking inngeneral terms not of rooey specifically about the hypocrisy. I actually defended rooey also by saying that maybe everything was blown out of porportion, but I think people missed it.

Plucky's avatar

It feels to me like @rooeytoo‘s original comment got blown out of proportion.

rooeytoo's avatar

Thank you @Plucky, I am just thankful it is the atheists who are pissed at me, if it were the christians, I might be getting oiled so as to be prepared for the burning at the stake!

(OMG, now I will have all the christians pissed at me too for making a stake burning reference)

But for the record, I promise I will never chuckle (or at least admit to it) at an atheist again. They are some scary, no sense of humor people!

JLeslie's avatar

Huh, no thank you to me? I said it first.

mattbrowne's avatar

It’s totally uncool to listen to completely dumb, mind-numbing, boring, unimaginative, sterile, uninspired, uninventive present-day music, some of which isn’t even music, but repetitive noise, none of which anybody will listen to in the year 2050.

Music should be intelligent. There should be a melody. There should be interesting harmonies. There should be people who can really play an instrument.

It doesn’t matter whether it’s old or new. It should be good.

SavoirFaire's avatar

@mattbrowne Being “cool” is relative. What’s cool to the stoners may be lame to the overachievers and vice versa. By definition, then, it is impossible to rule out the possibility that it could be cool to listen to “completely dumb, mind-numbing, boring, unimaginative, sterile, uninspired, and uninventive” music. There’s also the problem that, from the perspective of those you are criticizing, your answer is completely dumb, mind-numbing, boring, unimaginative, sterile, uninspired, and uninventive.

It’s the same noise that every generation of parents repeats to every generation of children, after all. Read the article that @thorninmud linked to above. Some of the same research is presented in the book This is Your Brain on Music by Daniel Levitin. Both point out, even if only implicitly, that your ability to discern whether or not a particular bit of music is intelligent, has a melody, or has interesting harmonies is heavily before you reach your twenties.

It can be especially difficult if you have little or no formal training in music. Many of the complaints I hear about contemporary electronic music—that it’s just repetitive noise and so forth—are the same that have been lodged against avant garde music of the 20th century and even the late 19th century. Cage, Webern, Boulez, and even Wagner have all been targeted with the same criticisms that you make against popular music of the present day. That music cannot be reasonably called unintelligent, and it has rather interesting harmonies regardless of whether or not everyone can appreciate or even discern them. Similarly, quite a bit of contemporary popular music has more depth than most give it credit for.

Not all of it, of course. But if we return to modern electronic music as an example, a great deal of it has roots in formal music theory and much of it is created by people who know what they are doing. Some are formally trained, others are not. But one need not have formal training to know what one is doing. Indeed, the demand that musicians “really play” an instrument raises the question of what counts as “really playing” and threatens to rule out artists like the Beatles (who were self-taught). Moreover, the demand for a distinct melody would force us to reject centuries of brilliant contrapuntal music (including works of J.S. Bach). Such a definition of “good music” could not possibly be accurate.

Of course, the question of what would count as “good music” is notoriously intractable. No one has ever succeeded in coming up with a definition or theory that includes only what they want to include and excludes only what they want to exclude. This is why so many philosophers, including those who work in the area of aesthetics, have come to accept that de gustibus non est disputandum. Understanding breeds appreciation, as the saying goes; but by the same token, ignorance breeds disapproval. Perhaps we will never come to regard Britney Spears as the height of musical achievement. That is no reason, however, to cast out an entire generation’s music as without merit and historical value.

this_velvet_glove's avatar

No, it makes you even cooler

mattbrowne's avatar

@SavoirFaire – My litmus test of cool music is this: How many people will listen to this music in 50 years from now? Of course that’s subjective. I was just sharing how I view this matter. Feel free to disagree.

Some current groups and singers will make it. A lot of people will enjoy listening to them in the year 2063. Then to me, they are cool. They are good. They have substance. It’s very unlikely that dumb, mind-numbing, boring, unimaginative, sterile, uninspired, uninventive stuff will make it beyond 2020.

Mama_Cakes's avatar

Right now (as I type), I’m totally diggin’ a Cuban station on Pandora.

An 80’s station was playing on a 4 hour road trip up North and I tossed in some Patti Smith. Sang my lil heart out.

You’re way cool, brah.

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