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How to best fight city hall?

Asked by poisonedantidote (21675points) July 20th, 2013

I am very pissed off at the moment, as I have been trying to get married since late 2011, and our latest attempt to get married is now looking like it will fail and be delayed for another 3–4 months.

For those who don’t know, my girlfriend is from Taiwan, and I live in Spain, and each time we try to get married, there are problems, due to ignorant, negligent, or just plain useless people that are running the system, or we just get fucked over with delays in paperwork.

We have spent about 4000 bucks on getting married so far, and are not really any closer.

Our latest plan, is that we are going to try and get married in Denmark some time next month. Failing that, my girlfriend will go back to Taiwan to live with a friend for 3 months until she is allowed to come back to try again.

Long story short… We have decided, that once we are finally married, we are not going to let this go, and plan to sue.

We are not looking for any compensation or anything like that, we just want to shake up the system a bit.

We figure, that if we go through all this trouble, and we get married, we need to keep fighting once we are married, so this does not continue to happen to other people.

I know this thread is kind of just thrown together in a hurry and that it is a mess, but I have to go back to work in 15 minutes. However, we do have good arguments, and I think a good case to fight, that I will be able to explain a bit clearer once I have some time.

We are basically planning to challenge the government, and accuse it of being institutionally racist, and to have double standards as well as other things.

The question is, how does one best fight city hall?

Should I instruct my lawyer to win? or to just delay them and cause them as much financial damage as possible?

Should we aim to get the law changed? cause a media scene? or just get compensation or some kind of apology for how we have been treated?

How does one fight city hall?

EDIT:

The main reason we want to sue, is because we don’t want this to keep happening. We want border and immigration laws relaxed across the board, and for it to be much easier to get married.

We figure, the reason we are having such a hard time, is because the last people who had our same problems, stopped fighting once they got married and had what they wanted.

We figure, it is kind of our responsibility, to at least expose how useless and uninformed some of the people running the system are, and to try to get things changed and made easier.

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gailcalled's avatar

I am very sad and wish I had some wisdom to impart. The frustration must be enormous.

Since this is Spain, isn’t this a question for a lawyer licensed to practice in your city in Spain? Advice from lawyers elsewhere wouldn’t be very helpful.

Another solution, perhaps, is to get married and settled and have that behind you and then contact a journalist at a reputable newspaper to write an exposé. Would that be risky or dangerous for a reporter? Are there censorship problems or political ramifications?

WestRiverrat's avatar

The best way is to get elected to the city council, My dad did that when the sewers backed up because the city didn’t properly maintain the lift station. Surprising once there was someone affected by the backup on the council the coverup ended.

The council could no longer claim it was an Act of God and no one was responsible.
The manager of the water/sewer plants spent some time in jail over the incident.

Unbroken's avatar

FWIW’s:
Off and on again I will go or listen to city hall meetings. The most dramatic changes in stance occurred with dramatic rise in citizens attending and objecting.

I have heard of cases where city hall was sued and lost though I am not certain of many details though I seem to recall there was existing law in the suer’s favor and it was more of a blatant disregard for the law then a civilain rights issue.

I think an expose and drawing as much public attention to the issue, mostly sympathetic would be in your best interest regardless of whether you wish to delay or start the process now.

Anything else would probably be dependant on existing law in your area and proper protocol.

Another idea is to see if there are others who had or are having similar trouble getting married or gave up for specific immigration reasons. Make it a class action suit. I am not sure how you search for individuals. Maybe someone else has a good idea there.

YARNLADY's avatar

My oldest grandson is running into various issues with paperwork getting lost or he is told it is incomplete. He has finally resorted to taking all paperwork in person and getting a receipt for it. He asks the person who accepts it to check and make sure it’s all there. He also makes copies before he turns it in. He has a lot less trouble since he started doing this.

Unbroken's avatar

@YARNLADY So true. I have taken to handholding admin assistents and clerks hands and not trusting anything is taken care of unless I follow up with it. Whatever beauratic or paper heavy organization it is.

Once people in the office get familair with me they remember me and are more likely to be on the ball, taking initiative or calling me to double check something instead of sending it to the bottom of the stack.

I make sure to remember or write down all of their names and detail date and time this and this occurs they will take some initiative on their own. *Always courteous efficient, i.e. having all fax numbers, phone, reference numbers emails and any other pertinent details available, and professional, balanced out with some friendly and warm remarks.

But these relationships are very short lived and must be maintained never assume that because everything was handled correctly before it will be again. Even if you know you have given them any numbers or what not before be ready to give it to them again as they won’t have to look it up and will put a sticky note directly on the forms on the top of their to do pile if not taking care of it the minute they hang up.

josie's avatar

Sorry. Dealing with government is always tough since, in spite of people’s fervent hopes and desires, the government really does not give a shit about you, and never did. They only want their perks and privileges.

Good luck. You deserve better. Let us know how it goes. Because…

A lot of Americans are going to face similar barriers, frustrations and irritation when they start living under ObamaCare. Maybe you can send them to school.

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