Does the following show go under theism or atheism?

secularism

So, that would be atheism then.

No no, you’ll want to look into it further. Secular doesn’t take sides: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularity

ie. This does not necessarily imply hostility to God or religion, though some use the term this way (see “secularism”, below); Martin Luther used to speak of “secular work” as a vocation from God for most Christians[citation needed] Secularity is best understood, not as being “anti-religious”, but as being “religiously neutral” since many activities in religious bodies are secular themselves and most versions of secularity do not lead to irreligiosity.

Disgracefullness is included/welcome.

….Not to say that theocracy is better.

Secular does not mean atheist. It would make about as much sense to say that everything that isn’t square is blue.

A shoe store is a secular enterprise. So are a library and a public park. (Well, I’d call those institutions and not enterprises, but secular all the same.) Our government is secular. So is anything else that isn’t somehow based in religion. A position on religious belief and practice has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Most things in our society are secular.

But I’m distracting myself. Are these disgraceful prodiucts come out of atheists’ brain or theists’ brain?

disgraceful

adjective: bringing or deserving disgrace; shameful; dishonorable; disreputable.

 
I have no idea what your restated question means. Bowing out.

@flo They come out of humans’ brains. Whether those brains are theist or atheist is beside the point.

Huh!!

Let me see if I can translate.

The original poster is not a fan of Family Guy, and wants to know who to blame for the atrocity on her basic cable, and whether those people went to Sunday school ad children.

The TV is of the devil. Throw it away, now.

coffee: atheism or theism?

Your Q presents an interesting conundrum for Family Guy is a product of the Fox Network.

I’m not quite sure what you mean by “it’s ilk”. If you could cite specific other shows you consider to be “it’s ilk” that would help narrow things down.

So, ultimately Family Guy specifically is a product of Fox Network since they’re the ones footing all the bills including the salaries if its creator Seth McFarlane and his staff.

But Fox Network also produces a lot of the highly Republican and religiously motivated “news” personalities such as Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly and their ilk.

So, basically Fox Network likes to have it both ways. In other words they have two distinct types of ilks (if you will).

There is the religiously-tinged conservative types for whom they are quite well known (and sometimes vilified) as well as the brilliantly and humorously irreverent more free-thinkingly tinged animated comedies which are riotously funny and hugely popular. They also make Fox tons of money.

Seth McFarlane is the creator of Family Guy and is pretty outspoken about his independent thinking and Atheism.

So, do all the religious conservative Fox News anchors watch Family Guy?

Your guess is as good as mine. I’m guessing O’Reilly most likely does but who knows?

So, both sides of the coin are products of Fox Network which delights in raking in the dough from either ideology equally.

So you write a letter of complaint to Rupert Murdoch (the owner of Fox Network) about Family Guy it’s pretty unlikely to have much effect on him.

His God is obviously money so the entire Theism/Atheism debate doesn’t really matter. As long as it makes him money, he will foot the bills to produce it. He pays the salaries of the Theists and Atheists alike without complaint because they both get him that which matters the most to him, MONEY.

He follows his own version of the Golden Rule, namely:

“He who has the gold makes the rules.”

Is that a religiously correct version? It really depends upon what your God is. And for Fox Network it’s obvious that God is spelled M-o-n-e-y.

If you find Family Guy to be too irreverent, just change the channel and wait for Fox and Friends first thing Monday morning.

Fox Network has product for everyone’s taste it seems.

Sex: Theism or Atheism?

theism, unless you enjoy it

You all answered the question just by going all over the place but there.

I couldn’t have said it better than this person:

” People who make a living on putting others down, and on toilet humor, are far from geniuses. Those people are stereotypes of cisgendered heterosexual males in their early teens who get excited at saying “boobs,” pick their noses, and laugh at their own farts. Those who make a living only to further their own ego and the perpetuation of stereotypes of gender, who make light of pedophilia and sexual assault, and bash people of various faiths, do nothing to help further the world. This man makes billions on being a crass bigoted man-child and….”

Would people who never heard of the show learn about this from your posts? No.
The answer is Atheism, of course.

@flo: “The answer is Atheism, of course.”

Or it could be “cold” or “salty” if you’re going to pick words that mean something specific and apply another meaning to them altogether.

Theism = a belief in a god or gods.
A-theism = a lack of a belief in a god or gods.

That’s it. Your original question was nonsensical, and so was the follow up.

Please answer my follow-up:

@tom_g: “coffee: atheism or theism?”

or you could try one of these…
– red: furry or wet?
– french fries: anarchism or banana?

Are you telling me that one can only take the question literally, @tom_g?

^^ In what way does it make any sense?

This might help:
“It’s stereotyping with a fresh face, mean spirited, and many people are not smart enough, or to young, to realize that it’s supposed to be funny, because it’s wrong so they take the ideas and run with them. There’s an old saying that goes something like, “if you want to get your message to the masses, don’t give a sermon, make the laugh.” Seth has no message. He’s like a snotty little kid who will take any opportunity to humiliate a classmate, because he thinks it makes himself look clever to the rest of the kids. Who would want to really put themselves out their, take chances with their art, or dare to do something truly inspired, if we only ever continue to cheer for the person who enjoys ripping it down for a cheap laugh and his own gratification? It’s his right to be that way in this country, but I find him irresponsible, dishonest in his humor, and pandering to the lowest common denominator, simply for a laugh, and by continually putting him up on a pedestal, we diminish our ability to strive for better. ....”

What religion correspondes to that? None. Atheism allows for it.

^^ What the shit? Are you trolling?

If you’re going to type letters to form words to form sentences, make sure they mean something. I can’t even respond – it is nonsensical.
Are you ok?

It is trolling, yes. Why there’s randomly pulled quotes from comicsbeat I have no clue.

I mean, we could point to the fact that religion in its many forms has allowed and even encouraged mass death, rape, pillaging, oppression, pedophilia, and denial of reality leading to a whole host of other problems in it’s time on earth, but nope, Family Guy, that’s the problem here.

Tom, I just have to say that I am still laughing out loud about that red/french fries bit.

@flo

You do know that you can change the channel if the show offends you, right?

Just checking.

And even if the remote doesn’t work or needs new batteries, you can still go up to the TV and change it manually. No need for you to suffer :)

What about The 700 Club’s crazy Pat Robertson. Surely that falls under theism, but not all theists are Pat Robertson. Just like not all atheists are Seth MacFarlane. So I’m not really sure what your point is…

@Buttonstc 1st,You’re assuming that I continue to watch it.

2nd, Again you’re going somewhere else. It is neither here nor there that people can change the channel if they don’t like a show. That is like telling someone: “Just make sure you see no evil, hear no evil. Whatever you do don’t talk about it please.” Like some smokers say “if you don’t like smoking, don’t smoke, you don’t have to talk about how bad it is.”

So you’re in favor of censorship then? What is YOUR solution for content that you find objectionable but a significant amount of people enjoy? Obviously that’s the case regarding Family Guy or it wouldn’t be on the air. Period.

The analogy to smoking falls apart logically speaking. When someone smokes, it automatically affects everyone within breathing range so it is increasingly being forbidden in PUBLIC places. People are still perfectly free to do so in their own homes.

Choosing to watch a particular TV show affects no one else outside of your own home. So a public ban is quite a bit of overkill and infringes upon others rights.

Your original question asked who was responsible for airing this show. And I answered it quite specifically (even tho you’re complaining we ALL meandered all around the Q). I didn’t. I was quite specific.

I guess you were hoping a whole lot of people would chime in in agreement with you. Well that didn’t happen. But you’re still pissing and moaning about how people answered. Tough luck.

When you post a Q on Fluther you can’t control the type of responses you get. It is what it is. So deal with it.

If you really find it so reprehensible write letters to Rupert Murdoch at Fox. Write every single day if you think it will do any good. He is the one with the ultimate say about what gets put on air on his network. He’s the only one who can change it.

This makes me want to post links to Hindu religious art for the sex, pages of the Koran for pedophilia and pages of the old testament for sexual abuse, misogyny and faith-bashing.

Because, frankly, theism does allow for those things.

@Buttonstc I just knew you were going to post something like “The analogy to smoking falls apart logically speaking.”

“Choosing to watch a particular TV show affects no one else outside of your own home.”
But that s like saying “physical abuse causes visual evidence and psychological doesn’t, therefore they are not comparable.” kind of thing.

And a ban? How did you get there from here?

How do I know this is the real @Buttonstc (whose answers are usually right on the money) and not an impersonator?

Oh it’s me all right. But you’re like a dog with a bone on this. I’m still trying to figure out what your point or purpose is.

I mean apart from the fact you despise Family Guy (and I guess figure its satanic or something) I don’t get what you expect should be done about it?

Nobody is forcing you to watch it so I don’t get what your problem is. Obviously you’d be happier if it were not on the air at all, but seriously, what is there for that other than to ban it outright?

And Seth McFarlane and his atheism or theism is really totally beside the point because the responsibility clearly lies with Rupert Murdoch (and I don’t have a clue where he stands).

So it really isn’t as simplistic as you present it. It just isn’t. Even if you want to hypothesize that Murdoch is an atheist, how does that explain his support of all the right winger Christians on his networks?

You keep trying to focus it on theism or atheism. Why?

You’re completely overlooking the obvious third choice which really cares little for the other two. What really rules so much of this world is simply M-o-n-e-y. That is obviously what means the most to Murdoch so other considerations regarding theism/atheism aren’t even on his radar screen.

If you just felt like having a good rant, it would have saved a bit of confusion to just say so upfront. You’re entitled to rant about whatever you wish. Just don’t be shocked if there aren’t a whole lot of people chiming in in agreement.

And trying to tie it in with theism/atheism cheapens both of those concepts. It’s all about the Benjamins.

“I laugh at people slipping and falling, and there are people who make money from it so…..”

Just for the record, I’m an atheist, and I hate Family Guy. Nothing at all ties atheists together except that we don’t believe in a god. We don’t all share the same sense of humor, or anything else for that matter, besides having no belief in any god.

Rep-re-hen-si-ble, Family Guy, is. @Buttonstc you are not arguing that it is not. And that, at least, is something.

I think we all understand that you find it reprehensible, @flo, but what does that have to do with atheism vs theism?

And for the record, I’m a Theist and I don’t watch it either.

But it has zero to do with either position. I gave it a chance when it first aired, but the talking dog was what had me scratching my head. Even tho its a cartoon I do prefer for my cartoons to have some type of sense to them.

But for a while I was in a house share and one of the roommates was hooked on it and every night before dinner he’s watching it (and he was a Dr. in training, go figure) so I tolerated it since it was stupid to make a big fuss about it. It’s a big wide world and everyone’s tastes are different.

But, you’re the one who raised this whole issue, so how about answering some of the questions I asked above?