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When did society change?

Asked by SQUEEKY2 (23113points) November 25th, 2013

When did most of us stop working to live, and change to, live to work?
When did the war on poverty, change to a war on the poor?
When did we put, protect the wealthy at all costs?
When did this all take place?

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YARNLADY's avatar

None of that is a change in society. What you are talking about is a selective view of the news. If you concentrate on the good news that is all around you, you will be better off.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

Who’s this ‘most of us,’ the war on poverty never meant to help the poor, the wealthy are always protected at all costs in all societies and time periods and ‘all this’ takes place always, since the beginning of human history.

KNOWITALL's avatar

Unfortunately I have to agree with @Simone_De_Beauvoir.

SadieMartinPaul's avatar

@Judi got it right. Just four years earlier, things were very different.

rojo's avatar

Yesterday, 12:46 pm EST

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

I don’t know, but it was sometime in the ‘80s. I left the US on Holloween night, 1982 and didn’t return until December 13, 1992 and I came back to a totally diferent, angry, radically conservative America. It was a shock and very depressing. And that’s nothing campared to what we’ve become since. America is batshit crazy compared to what it was in ‘92.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

It seems that our priorities are all screwed up, we get so wrapped up in our work that it becomes our whole life, as for the poor we hear the Government cutting this or that and all it really hurts is the poor that really depend on those programs, if you say anything people spit back is damn poor with all their entitlements ,and if you say the rich should pay their fair share in the tax burden,everyone starts screaming.

josie's avatar

Human nature is the same everywhere, and at anytime since the dawn of humanity. The only thing that changes is people’s attempts to change human nature. Which will not happen, any more than you can change the nature of gravity.
What you describe is the same old story, different time, different place.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

I will tell you one thing ,and it changed for me a few years back, I stopped living to work and switched to working to live.

josie's avatar

Lion has to hunt Zebra, man has to work. Working to live and living to work is, at the end of the day, a version of the same thing.

Pachy's avatar

Some say it’s been downhill ever since JFK’s assassination.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

@Pachyderm_In_The_Room I would agree. If there was any one event that kicked off what we are experiencing today, that would be it. Then the escalation of the war, the war resistance, the campus riots, the King assassination, the cities burning, RFK’s assassination, My Lai & Kent State, our defeat in Viet Nam, Watergate, the failure of the Carter Administration—all this creating fear and loathing among the establishment and leading directly to the repetitive reactionary governments starting with the Reagan administration. Both the Left and the Right failed America miserably.

SadieMartinPaul's avatar

@Pachyderm_In_The_Room Except for that whole Vietnam thing, I have great respect for LBJ’s presidency.

Pachy's avatar

@SadieMartinPaul, I agree—still…

dougiedawg's avatar

Hey, Squeek!

I think just like the physical universe things are speeding up.
My sense is that rampant consumerism and the need for faster cars, faster internet, faster foods, etc. is driving us in the wrong direction.
We need to pace ourselves differently and that has to start with the individual. I’m the first one in my family to ever have a heart attack and I have to attribute that to taking on more stress than my body could handle.
I’m teaching myself to avoid that excessive push-push-push but construction being what it is, the expectations are always high.
It’s okay to drive in the fast lane but it’s not the lane I prefer anymore.
In fact, look for me at the rest stop. I’ll be the guy walking his dog and smelling the flowers;)

ETpro's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 Your list of changes are spot on, and @Espiritus_Corvus has the timeline right. It was part of the voodoo economics and far-right corporatism Ronald Reagan was selected by the ultra-rich to sell to us suckers. The purpose was, bit by bit, to convert everyone but a tiny handful to wage slavery so the ultra-wealthy Greedy Oligarch Pigs could have lots and lots more, even though they already owned most of the nation’s financial wealth and prime real estate. It’s been working so well that sleeping giant, the 99%, is beginning to wake up.

But I might turn the question around. When did society NOT change? It’s been a very long time since things stayed the same over long periods of time. The Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party is on the upswing, and corporatist Democrats are an endangered species. Change is coming.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

@ETpro I sincerely hope you are right. If I could see some appreciable change toward sanity and humanitarianism, I might consider coming back home.

Strauss's avatar

In the 1980’s there were several advertising and marketing practices that changed, subtly but drastically. The way that advertisements could be targeted at young children was changed, and the subtle message was no longer “you want,” or “you need”, but “you deserve” and “you must have”.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

One of the things that truly threw me into shock was the political emergence of fundamentalist Christian groups beginning with the Reagan Administration. The GOP had used this counter-culture for their numbers to get back into power. When I got back in ‘92, I was appalled to see ignorant, narrow-minded mystics who had traditionally been relegated to tents on the outskirts of hick towns and local TV, were now prominent in the national spotlight. We had had our Billy Sundays, Amy Semple McPhersons, and Father Conklins before, but this was on a whole new level. They changed the definition of mainstream Christianity in America. Jesus had become a tough, punitive, unforgiving, paragon of Capitalism since I had been in Europe. He had been politicized. Evangelism had become the duty of all Christians, and to ignore this Christian duty made one suspect as a True Christian and Loyal American. Christian charity was to be doled out only to the right people and with the proper publicity, to hell with Matthew 6, 1—6

And that oddity, that weird combination of Social Darwinism & heavily edited Christianity was the order of the day. Anyone who disagreed with the new interpretation would be condemned to go to hell with the gays, the commies, the AIDS afflicted, and most of the Democratic Party. What became known abroad today as American Christianity is today looked upon both as a joke and a dangerous weapon.

As an adult, I never was a strong adherent to Christianity, quite ambivalent actually, and as a person born into the Catholic Church culture, I admit to an almost innate snobbery toward all fundamentalist sects, especially those whose congregations are afflicted with twangy southern drawls, but I couldn’t believe the political power Fallwell and others of his ilk had accrued in the decade I had been away. It was a horror, a blasphemy according to what was once mainstream Christian dogma, is based on fear, multicultural ignorance and insecurity, and is a threat to our wonderfully diverse culture.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

Wake me up when we get there.

Strauss's avatar

@Espiritus_Corvus The things you listed dovetail precisely with the pushback on regulation, the “side deals” in politics (such as the deal alleged to have been made between the Reagan campaign team and the Iranian hostage takers). Put into the mix the ability of large corporations to coerce small governments (cities, counties, etc) into tax deals in return for “employment opportunities” that in reality wiped out a lot of small-town “mom-&-pop“type business in small towns all across the US. Add to that the evolution ( devolution?) of radio and television news from a required public service to an info-tainment revenue stream, and you will just scratch the surface of a recipe for a society that is unwittingly headed for a corporatist return to the late ninteenth century.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

@yetanotheruser I agree for the most part in what you are saying, but I would be careful and research all sides further on the Reagan campaign team/Iranian hostage thing. I need more evidence before I believe a presidential candidate, even Reagan, who I learned to dislike intensely when he was governor of California, would be so cynical as to delay the release of American hostages—all of them not only citizens, but US government employees abroad from general office personnel and Marine guards to people in the diplomatic corps, USIA and CIA—for the sake of an an election. For many reasons this doesn’t pan out for me. Reagan’s provable record is more than adequate to condemn him as one of the worst presidents of the people ever. Like you state above, we were blatantly sold out.

If there was one product of the Reagan administration that ensured a sea change in American attitude, popularization of historic revisionism, and locking in a positive take on the Administration itself, it was the repeal of the repeal of the 1949 FCC Fairness Doctrine in 1985. There are many arguments about the constitutionality of the Doctrine in the first place, but I ask people to look at American political attitudes and American political reportage before the repeal and then compare them to what they became after the repeal.

The 1949 Fairness began as way to guarantee equal time to all sides on political talk shows such as Meet the Press and it’s predecessors. It was a reaction to the dangerous, one sided political propaganda broadcasts that occurred in Germany, Italy, Spain, Russia and Japan before and during WWII by the generation of Americans who had to fight the people who had been brainwashed by that propaganda. We had seen what happens when a people get only one side of the story. But the Doctrine came under attack in 1969 by an unhappy Nixon administration (the war escalated to 500,000 US troops in-country after Tet, too many 19 year-olds were coming back in body bags and the truth hurt), in a Supreme Court First Amendment argument, Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. Federal Communications Commission, and the Fairness Doctrine survived.

You are around my age. You remember how the news used to be presented? Very encapsulated in highly definable segments, and the news readers, although many of them reporters of spectacular backgrounds, simply reported the news with no editorializing and certainly no silly opinions or talk of a personal nature. Not even between Huntley and Brinkley. Editorializing was done in a totally different, identifiable segment of he news, often at the end of the broadcast and after a block of commercials to separate the editorial from the rest of the broadcast. Whenever there was a political opinion made by a candidate or pundit, the opposing candidate or one of the editors—senior reporting staff—would present the opposing view. America was better educated in their political situation because of this. When Machine-Gun McCarthy was on top at the height of real paranoia, the opposing side was still presented at great peril of careers and reputations. But, under FCC rules, they had to be heard. After McCarthy’s alcoholic psychosis became apparent, there were established opposing views to consider, not a vacuum. A way for America to moderate herself.

In 1985, after the justifiably hostile press reaction to Reaganomics and it’s effects, the FCC under chairman Mark Fowler, a former Reagan campaign boss, released a report stating that the doctrine hurt the public interest and violated free speech rights guaranteed by the First Amendment. In 1987, FCC chairman Dennis Patrick abolished the doctrine by a 4–0 vote, in the Syracuse Peace Council decision, which was upheld by a panel of the Appeals Court for the D.C. Circuit in February 1989.

The result was the immediate rise of a profusion of radio and TV shows, unopposed, radical, political punditry obviously designed to appeal to fear and ignorance for the sake of ratings and political power. Limbaugh was one of the first, withing a couple of years, his show went was available at least 3 hours a day, 7 days a week. When he is confronted with confirmations of his lies, he claims that he is merely an entertainer and has no political influence on his audience. This is repeated among his ilk.

You’ve seen change, and the change in American attitude, rationale. You’ve witnessed it, ETpro and I have talked hours about it, pretty much every one over a certain age knows the change and when it happened. Abroad, in Europe, and even down here in the Lesser Antilles, the American citizen’s irrationality in voting against their own interests is only difficult to explain until you describe the media situation. Then they understand, especially the old ones. It is a tragedy that Americans themselves don’t see it.

\Shit. This is way too long, sorry.

Strauss's avatar

@Espiritus_Corvus No seed to apologize. Your comments are spot on.

Another thing that devolved almost hand-in-hand with the fairness doctrine is regulation concerning consolidation of ownership of media outlets. Up until the “Telecommunications Act of 1996”: FCC regulations set limits on the number and types of media outlets any one entity could own, both in a given market, and also throughout the US. An example of this was WGN in Chicago, the market where I grew up. WGN was owned by the same company that owned The Chicago Tribune, which had a slogan of ”W orld’s G reatest N ewspaper”. That company, under the older regulations, could only own one each of TV, AM radio, FM radio and newspaper. After the deregulation of 1996 there were many other players in the game, as well as the new kids on the block, Cable- and satellite-only channels and the Internet. Then came the mergers and acquisitions. Right now, Clear Channel is the number one in outlets across all media.

To it’s credit, Clear Channel is formatting not only conservative-leaning talk shows (like Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and Sean Hannity), but also has stations that feature such progressive shows like Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, Thom Hartmann and Bill Press, although Clear Channel seems to be eliminating the progressive format in many markets.

This consolidation of ownership of media is problematic when it comes to news neutrality.

Sadly, it doesn’t surprise me that Americans are influenced to vote against their own best interests.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Yetanotheruser And Clear Channel is notoriously NOT a news heavy entity. It’s heavily discouraged in the workplace or on-air as ‘controversial’.

Strauss's avatar

@KNOWITALL Yeah, more controversial than Limbaugh, Levin or Hannity!

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Yetanotheruser I’m sure you know more about it than I do—(chuckle).

Strauss's avatar

What, the news, or controversy?

I have a little experience in both…reading the news on the air and promoting controversy!!

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