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ragingloli's avatar

How do you defend humanity's crime of eating other species' children?

Asked by ragingloli (35286 points ) January 23rd, 2014

Lamb, piglets, calfs.
And if you are fine with that, why should anyone feel guilty eating human children?

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SwanSwanHummingbird's avatar

I don’t. I can’t. No one can without presupposing that animals were ‘made’ for us to eat.

But we do have all the animal requirements of being a predator—our vision, our teeth. I can justify a tribe going into the jungle to kill for food, but the way food is produced these days have no justification. It’s torture. Plain and simple.

josie's avatar

The premise is wrong.
It isn’t a crime to eat the critters you described. Cannibalism is a crime.

El_Cadejo's avatar

Baby pretty much anything tastes amazing. This is not limited to animals. Baby bellas, baby corn, baby carrots, baby zucchini,they’re all amazing. I have a theory on why this; You can taste the innocence. :P

Everything on this planet kills to survive, fact of life.

I do disagree with the way we currently raise animals for food in the US but that isn’t to say if I were living out in the middle of the jungle that I wouldn’t kill a baby pig and eat it if I saw one.

“And if you are fine with that, why should anyone feel guilty eating human children?”

Are you implying it is ok to eat human adults?

zenvelo's avatar

I agree with @josie. Will wonders never cease?

The premise is false. It’s not a crime, and it has nothing to do with being children.

The rightness or wrongness of eating something isn’t on the age of the item, but on its species.

If your culture is okay with cannibalism, then eating human young is okay too.

SwanSwanHummingbird's avatar

I don’t think he meant crime as a legal definition, but more of a moral idea.

josie's avatar

Words mean something.

Rarebear's avatar

If God didn’t want us to eat animals, why did he call them “meat”?

cookieman's avatar

Because they are delicious and because we are in charge. Pretty simple.

gailcalled's avatar

Engllish comedians and satirical singers Michael Flanders and Donald Swann wote The Reluctant Cannibal about the plat du jour, roast leg of insurance salesman. Audio is not great, but a very clever folderol.

Seek's avatar

If I didn’t eat, I would die.

And I can’t afford to be a vegetarian, as fresh fruits and vegetables, and non-meat protein sources are prohibitively expensive.

If I had the monetary resources to choose not to eat flesh foods, I probably would.

Until then, if it’s me or the cow, sorry cow.

ragingloli's avatar

@Seek_Kolinahr
There is no non-culinary reason to not just wait until the cows die of old age.

Symbeline's avatar

@ragingloli If you don’t kill and eat a cow in its prime, it’s probably not as good as it would be if it was old? Not sure. What I wish is that it wasn’t such a waste. Like if the cow is killed, use all of the cow, or at least most of it. I’m sure it’s possible. Inuits hunted whales, and they used it all. They fed the eyeballs to their dogs, and huskies are some damn resilient and powerful dogs, so it’s proof that being resourceful works. Unfortunately this is a money driven world, therefore, ironically, no room for being resourceful haha.
Kind of reminds me of destroying forests and woods to build parking lots for McDick’s restaurants.

ragingloli's avatar

@Symbeline
“If you don’t kill and eat a cow in its prime, it’s probably not as good as it would be if it was old?” Irrelevant to the morality of eating animals.

Symbeline's avatar

@ragingloli I know, but most of this thread seems axed on the aspect of necessity and survival. And the fact that eating animals isn’t a crime.

JLeslie's avatar

I don’t eat veal. Is lamb a baby? The lamb we eat are babies?

I once heard an explanation for why mixing dairy and meat is not kosher is because it is horrible to eat an animal in it’s mother’s milk. I’m pretty sure there are several reasons for the kosher rules though, this was just one person’s interpretation.

rojo's avatar

Does this count?

Genesis 9:3 English Standard Version (ESV)

Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

ragingloli's avatar

@rojo
It counts as much as Bin Laden quoting the Koran to justify flying planes into skyscrapers.

LuckyGuy's avatar

On another site I mentioned a little run in I had where I was not the ‘top predator’ on the block. There are animals in the woods near my house – on my property even! – that are clever and strong enough to take down a muscular, 75 kg, deer. I am confident they would make short work of me and any of the pets and small kids who visit if we are not careful.

Since that night, I go out armed.

rojo's avatar

Damn, caught.
Again.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Humanity’s crime??? Are you kidding?

This isn’t a crime by any stretch of the imagination. Humans are currently the apex species alive. (although they may not be in 20 million years). In other words, we’re at the top of the food chain.

Every carnivorous specie eats every lower specie. Lions eat giraffes. Big fish eat little fish. And humans eat everything.

This is no crime. This is proof positive of evolution and the survival-of-the-fittest process.

ragingloli's avatar

@elbanditoroso
Might does not make right. Otherwise Hitler did nothing wrong.

cookieman's avatar

If they’d stop being so delicious, we’d stop eating them.

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

@elbanditoroso Who decides what is right and what is not? I’m okay with eating anything except fellow humans. My right/wrong meter has no problem with eating other biological life forms, especially if they taste good.

elbanditoroso's avatar

@ragingloli – if Hitler had conquered the world (as opposed to being defeated) then evolution would have taken a different turn. We can say this now because Hitler didn’t conquer the world.

20–20 hindsight

elbanditoroso's avatar

@Skaggfacemutt – I’m not the one arguing right and wrong. I don’t think there is a right or a wrong here—@ragingloli is the one who described this as a crime.

My view is that eating lesser species is natural, a result of evolution, and that there isn’t a right/wrong aspect of it at all.

El_Cadejo's avatar

@ragingloli I’d also like to add, are you under the impression that every other predator only kills the adults of other species? I was under the impression predators go for the weakest prey which generally boils down to picking off the young. Are we condemning every other predator in this thread as well?

ragingloli's avatar

@uberbatman
They do not have a choice or an alternative.
Humans do.
That is also the difference between self defence and murder.

Seek's avatar

I also can’t afford to raise my own cows for food, so I have no choice in how my food animals are raised or slaughtered.

Again, sorry, cow. And sorry, baby cow, since I occasionally purchase veal when it is discounted.

El_Cadejo's avatar

@ragingloli Are you then arguing we should all be vegetarian? I mean we can chose not to be “murders” of any animal yet we don’t. Or is there just something specifically “evil” about eating a baby something?

cookieman's avatar

How about the fact that humans are naturally omnivores? We are evolved to eat meat as well as other yummy stuff.

ragingloli's avatar

@uberbatman
As I said above, you could wait for the animals to die of old age. That way there is no moral problem and you can still eat their meat.

El_Cadejo's avatar

@ragingloli You do realize how completely impractical that is right?

Edit: So the morality issue is really with killing. Again as I said in my first post, everything kills to survive. Is it morally ok to kill plants or should we only be consuming those that drop fruits?

WestRiverrat's avatar

I don’t try to as I don’t consider it a crime.

ragingloli's avatar

@uberbatman
Impracticality is not an argument.

El_Cadejo's avatar

refresh

ragingloli's avatar

@uberbatman
It is about killing intelligent beings that experience pain and fear.

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

@ragingloli Icky! Guess you’ve never tried to eat an old chicken. Can you even imagine all the steak houses waiting for the cows to die of old age. Unfortunately, our whole society revolves around practicality. It wouldn’t work and that’s a fact, so why ask the question.

Just like our air would be cleaner if we all stopped driving, but that can’t happen, so why even discuss it. Our society depends on moving people and goods from point A to point B.

Blondesjon's avatar

Is it a crime when a lion takes down a gazelle?

Is it a crime when a shark eats a seal?

Is it a crime when a cat eats a mouse?

I don’t see any difference there. This seems to be meant to ruffle feathers, like delicious chicken feathers, more than it is about any moral choice. The food chain is a long established scientific fact. Get over it.

ragingloli's avatar

@Skaggfacemutt
Laziness and stubborness only makes the immorality worse.

@Blondesjon
Read the thread.

Blondesjon's avatar

Already did. It’s what I based my post on.

ragingloli's avatar

@Blondesjon
I dispute that claim.

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

A million years of evolution can’t be wrong.

longgone's avatar

I don’t think eating animals is a crime because once they are dead, I don’t think they care. What is wrong is the pain and suffering we allow so we can get the cheapest meat, right now, wherever we are. Thinking of that makes me sick, so I’ve stopped eating meat. Wasn’t hard.

WestRiverrat's avatar

The US would have to change its laws for this to happen. It is currently against the law for a meat packing plant to sell meat from dead animals for human consumption. By that I mean animals not in good health when they are brought to the plant.

Some packers won’t even process the beef for the personal use of the rancher if the cow came in live but with a broken leg.

If an animal breaks its leg or dies of natural causes it has to be used for animal feed or not at all.

ragingloli's avatar

@Skaggfacemutt
Evolution does not decide right or wrong.

Blondesjon's avatar

neither do you

ragingloli's avatar

Yes I do.

Blondesjon's avatar

I’m afraid I’m going to need a whole list of iron-clad sources for that claim.

ragingloli's avatar

I am the Lord, your God.

WestRiverrat's avatar

@ragingloli you don’t decide what is right or wrong for me. Only I can do that.

Blondesjon's avatar

@ragingloli . . . Well then where is that fucking pony I prayed for?

i want to eat it

Michael_Huntington's avatar

I think we should stop eating meat altogether. While we’re at it, we should also stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless, and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern and less materialism in young people.

elbanditoroso's avatar

@Michael_Huntington – I want some of the drugs you are taking.

Please answer me: HOW do we do all these things?

Darth_Algar's avatar

Would this thread be an example of a user pushing an obvious agenda?

cookieman's avatar

Anyone else find it ironic that the same loli that gleefully discusses tentacle rape has a problem with eating animals??

longgone's avatar

This is gonna be fun, I can tell.

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

@Michael_Huntington My point exactly. What would be great, and what is possible are two different things.

Seek's avatar

Hey, don’t knock the tentacle rape.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

I don’t, everything on this planet has been granted to me to use for food, pigs, cows, snakes, octopuses, bald eagles, squirrels, even dogs and cats if I wanted to eat them.

ragingloli's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central
Eating pigs and shellfish is an abomination according to your religion.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

^ As usual, you do not know my faith very well at all…........

ragingloli's avatar

no, you do not know your own.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

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ragingloli's avatar

Oh Satan, you give us the power to trample the remnants of Christianity that is left in this world
Fill us with your essence
Let it run through our veins, our souls, our minds… our entire being
We trample on the cross… we spit upon the book of lies… we desecrate the virgin whore
Forever standing proud against the Abrahamic ‘god’
We blaspheme his holy spirit and laugh at his suffering
Inspiring those in shackles to break free from his tyrant ways
Entice them to take that precious bite, where they will be delivered forevermore
You are the mighty one, Lord Satan
And have bestowed upon us the knowledge that has made us what we are today
We hail your name and stand strong with you for all eternity
Inspire us even further to do the work you have for us
To be warriors for you in this world and beyond
Standing up to our enemies and yours alike
We honour you through our words, our actions, our thoughts
Each day that we live upon this earth, may we grow stronger in wisdom and in our love for you
You are our Father, our Teacher, our Muse, our Everything
We have taken your mark in dedication
And the universe will know that we are yours
Place your mighty hand upon us and lead us further down your infernal path
Hail Satan!

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

^ Psst wasn’t you suppose to be talking about eating babies?

cookieman's avatar

Yessssssssss… delicious breaded, barbecued, deep-fried, finger-licking-good babies.

Let’s stay on topic please.

Blondesjon's avatar

right? besides satan reminds me of a toddler who has stayed up past his bedtime. kinda like 4-chan.

SwanSwanHummingbird's avatar

Really, humans are not at the top of the food chain. If we were out in the jungles, deserts, plains, whatever, we’d be prey to all types of animals. We’d be eating vegetation and bugs and trying to keep away from higher order predators. Unless, of course, you believe that culture has changed our evolution. I think scientists might dispute that idea.

El_Cadejo's avatar

@Darth_Algar I was thinking the same but didn’t want to PM auggie about it cause I didn’t want to start shit. It’s pushing an agenda, but I still enjoy the conversation, despite how crazy it is :P

Jonesn4burgers's avatar

I don’t defend it, I only participate. I will continue to participate. If you wanna eat my kids, you give it a go.

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