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Why does a drunk or inebriated woman get a pass for being negligent concerning her situational awareness?

Asked by Hypocrisy_Central (21974 points ) March 19th, 2014

If a woman was as drunk as this this woman, and she got played, dragged off somewhere and rode hard and put away wet, people will attempt to absolve her of any fault for her being attacked or assaulted. If she was behind a car would we say it was not her fault she crashed her car? What if she tumbled down stairs or down a steep arroyo and broke something, still not her fault? If I left my home unsecured and it was robbed I am not responsible because people should have respected my Constitutional right and not trespassed on my property or that which I legally controlled? Roll your eyes if you will but any person who gets so inebriated they can’t even function or be aware of what is going on around them are part culpable in any ill effects that happen to them. AND NO, I am not saying a woman drunk like that deserve to be assaulted but I will say she set up conditions that make an assault more likely or easy. If she is assaulted the person who assaulted her is wrong, but that doesn’t make her negligence to be diligent of her situational awareness at all times irreproachable.

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hominid's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central: “Roll your eyes if you will”

Thanks. I will.

ucme's avatar

That woman isn’t drunk, she is mimicking the actions of a crow in an attempt to lure the birds toward her. You can clearly hear the crows being attracted by this as she searches in her bag for pieces of bread.

Cruiser's avatar

Cut her some slack @Hypocrisy_Central….she just so happens to be the lead programmer for the Obamacare website and is kinda stressed these days.

zenvelo's avatar

Once again, @Hypocrisy_Central, you put the responsibility for RAPE on the victim. No one gets to force sex on someone, drunk, stoned, underage or unaware.

No one is absolving a drunk woman of responsibility for ending up in bed with someone, provided it was something she pursued. But that doesn’t give you an excuse to jump her bones. And finding someone that drunk as sexually attractive is pretty sick anyway.

Seaofclouds's avatar

If we are talking just about poor decision making, no, the woman doesn’t get a pass. If she made the decision to get in bed while drunk, it is on her (assuming no foul play). Just like it would be on her if she chose to do something else like driving while intoxicated.

If, however, someone does something to her against her will, but she is too drunk to stop it, she gets a pass because it was not her decision. She shouldn’t be blamed for the choices of others.

HC Why do you constantly want to blame the rape victim? Do you have something against women that have been raped? Do you have some sort of sympathy/compassion for rapists that makes you prone to this idea?

hominid's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central: “If a woman was as drunk as this this woman, and she got played, dragged off somewhere and rode hard and put away wet, people will attempt to absolve her of any fault for her being attacked or assaulted.”

Well, clearly not everyone. ^

@Hypocrisy_Central: “If she was behind a car would we say it was not her fault she crashed her car?”

Who are the players here? The woman and the car, right? This seems fairly straightforward. There are laws against drunk driving. She violated that law, she is at fault.

@Hypocrisy_Central: “What if she tumbled down stairs or down a steep arroyo and broke something, still not her fault?”

Again, let’s take a look at the players. We have the woman and we have gravity. I’m still somewhat disturbed at the application of “fault” here, but I’ll let that slide. So, yes, gravity is not at fault.

@Hypocrisy_Central: “If I left my home unsecured and it was robbed I am not responsible because people should have respected my Constitutional right and not trespassed on my property or that which I legally controlled?”

Ok…it’s against the law to steal. I’m not sure where you’re going with that.

@Hypocrisy_Central: “Roll your eyes if you will but any person who gets so inebriated they can’t even function or be aware of what is going on around them are part culpable in any ill effects that happen to them.”

So, let’s explore this. Let me play with this a bit and see how this logic plays out.
– If you let your guard down and I drive your nose back into your skull, are you not somewhat responsible?
– If you decide to take a shortcut home in the dark and you are jumped and throat-fucked with a plunger, are you not somewhat responsible?

I’m not sure I like where this is going. Maybe we can figure out what is wrong with your logic here.

@Hypocrisy_Central: “AND NO, I am not saying a woman drunk like that deserve to be assaulted but I will say she set up conditions that make an assault more likely or easy.”

Except that you really are saying that she deserves to be assaulted more than a woman who is sober, carrying mace and a gun, and has trained in martial arts.

@Hypocrisy_Central: “If she is assaulted the person who assaulted her is wrong, but that doesn’t make her negligence to be diligent of her situational awareness at all times irreproachable.”

The inability of someone to anticipate and prepare for being violated, assaulted, or killed in no way places the responsibility on the victim. Why are the simplest of concepts so challenging for you?

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

IMO rape is equivalent to murder. Even though a woman may put herself in harms way rape, assault or theft is not her doing. Being stupid enough to make herself more vulnerable just makes her a target to those who are already looking for targets.

El_Cadejo's avatar

Just because someone else is drunk doesn’t somehow give me the right to take advantage of them.

KNOWITALL's avatar

Ultimately I do believe it’s up to each of us to be aware of our surroundings and keep ourselves sober in a public situation. But I also believe like @ARE_you_kidding_me says, that it doesn’t give anyone a right to take advantage.

When I feel I’ve had enough wine or beer, while I’m out, I stop and drink soda or water for an hour or two. You can still play pool or do karaoke without drinking, people just don’t respect their bodies limits imo.

Because human nature produces monsters who are always looking for opportunities, it is a good idea to have personal responsibility and like my mom always said, “don’t put yourself in a situation where someone could take advantage.”

My 13 yr old niece said she and her cousin had gone to a public park at 11pm on a weekend and I explained rape and that they couldn’t do anything against a couple men. I don’t feel bad about that because it may save her a lot of pain in future, maybe even her life.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@zenvelo Once again, @Hypocrisy_Central, you put the responsibility for RAPE on the victim.
Again, more fabricated lies to get a pat on the back. Well, let’s get to real reasoning, not that which is found in a box of Crackerjacks. Breaking it down to the bare essentials, she is part responsible for any mishap be it physics, human, or animal. Just as if she left a pot on the stove and figured to run down to the market to get some cream cheese needed for the dish. If she came back to a burning house, her negligence made the conditions for her house to burn down more likely. A short in the wiring could have done it. For that matter some pissed off boyfriend could have tossed a Molotov Cocktail through her window to start the fire. I am sure you have some logic you can point to that says she was just as aware and would have been just as alert and diligent even though she is off on cloud 9 somewhere. –Oh, maybe she is truly alert but trying to lure someone close so she can rob them?

[…. underage or unaware.
Oh, snap, missed my cue. Seems others think I always bring it up, well, guess they were wrong again

And finding someone that drunk as sexually attractive is pretty sick anyway.
Talk to those people at bars, clubs, and teens at open parties, and on Spring break, seems that is where they are at. Even if she pursued and looked like 12 on a scale of one to 10, being loaded/drunk and smelling like a brewery makes her about a -1 in my book.

@Seaofclouds HC Why do you constantly want to blame the rape victim?
It might seem like that to you, I guess you may be supporting intoxication so anyone falling into harm while intoxicated it is never their fault, I can say she set up a scenario that was a catalyst to an accident or an attack without saying she provoked it. I will redirect if you tell me she would have been just as cable to discern a dangerous situation where she could be attack the same drunk/high as she would be sober as a baby. If someone slipped something into her drink, then her vacating defenses would not have been started, sustained, or cultivated by her.

@hominid The inability of someone to anticipate and prepare for being violated, assaulted, or killed in no way places the responsibility on the victim. Why are the simplest of concepts so challenging for you?
Getting beyond the rest of that gobbled gook, I will deal with the only sensible part. The simple concept is to be diligent of what is around you no matter what the situation. If you are out camping and see a baby bear yards from you, being aware means you don’t stick around and try to get a cute photo, you get out before mama bear comes that rips your arm off. If you see the baby bear some distance off and go over to get a cute shot, you are increasing the chances you will get your clock cleaned by mama bear. You may not intend or desire to be sexually assaulted but where does your responsibility for your own safety gets checked at the door? It matters where you are if you are not alert to avoid things a reasonable person could perceive danger in even if something happens to you because of the will of the other person, that doesn’t nullify your actions of doing everything to defend against it. How is that reasoning too difficult for you to follow?

If a person does all they can when they have all their reasoning, then they have no fault, if they diminish or nullify their reasoning as to make it useless, they have some fault in making a danger greater making an attack more plausible.

hominid's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central: “Getting beyond the rest of that gobbled gook, I will deal with the only sensible part.”

Try reading it real slowly. It might not seem so confusing.

@Hypocrisy_Central: “The simple concept is to be diligent of what is around you no matter what the situation. If you are out camping and see a baby bear yards from you, being aware means you don’t stick around and try to get a cute photo, you get out before mama bear comes that rips your arm off. If you see the baby bear some distance off and go over to get a cute shot, you are increasing the chances you will get your clock cleaned by mama bear.”

You went the wrong way here. I suggest trying a different approach. In your scenario above, if I am out camping and I stick around and get a photo with a baby bear, I am threatening the life of a bear’s cub. And bears (not people who are subject to laws or who you can reason with) do what bears do in that situation – they protect. And that protection will likely involve ripping my arm off.

If you are going to bring up this scenario, please try to tie it to the woman who is drunk? In what way is she threatening a wild creature’s baby?

@Hypocrisy_Central: “You may not intend or desire to be sexually assaulted but where does your responsibility for your own safety gets checked at the door?”

Are you suggesting that men are like bears? Men who see a vulnerable woman are forced to instinctively assault her? If male humans are not conscious moral agents who are capable of following law, then we should likely be drafting legislation to severely restrict male human’s rights. We’ll likely have to invest in cages, and set very strict limits on what males can and cannot do.

And please – what you called “gobbled gook” is somewhat relevant. Play your logic out in other situations and see how comfortable you are. You won’t have to go too far before you realize what it is you are saying.

@Hypocrisy_Central: “It matters where you are if you are not alert to avoid things a reasonable person could perceive danger in even if something happens to you because of the will of the other person, that doesn’t nullify your actions of doing everything to defend against it. How is that reasoning too difficult for you to follow?”

I can follow it, and it sucks. You don’t even believe that logic in any other area. You don’t walk around with a good self-protective stance. This is carelessly opening you up for someone like me to pummel your face with a few good combinations. In the hospital, would you be beating yourself up thinking, “crap! Why didn’t I keep my guard up? This is my fault.”? I suspect you would not.

hominid's avatar

I’m also interested in seeing your list of precautions that women should take when leaving the house so that they are not partially responsible for an assault?

Cruiser's avatar

@hominid I think it will have a lot to do with climbing into a Sherman tank.

GloPro's avatar

I’m curious… Does the same logic (if you call it logic) apply if this woman had only one beer and it had been laced with GHB? Is it her fault she’s out of her mind because she had a beer? Someone drugged her; is she responsible for all actions after that beer? Why or why not, @Hypocrisy_Central.

hominid's avatar

^ @GloPro – Using HC’s logic, she is responsible. She should have ordered a bottle of water, and demanded that it be unopened. This would have kept her from being drugged. Also, she probably shouldn’t be out at all. There is a good chance she may come across men. This is reckless exposure.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@hominid She shares partial responsiblity imo, because everyone knows you don’t leave your drink unattended for that very reason. It’s mostly common sense.

I think you push it a little too far that a woman has to drink water or be home, I don’t believe HC is a total male chauvinist.

hominid's avatar

@KNOWITALL: ”@hominid She shares partial responsiblity imo, because everyone knows you don’t leave your drink unattended for that very reason. It’s mostly common sense.”

What are we talking about here? Is this a strategy session on how to avoid being raped, or are we discussing moral responsibility? Maybe I confused the intent of this thread.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@hominid It seems to me to be a question of personal responsiblity as opposed to moral responsiblity. HC likes these kinds of questions apparently.

Many people seem to not take personal responsiblity very seriously, placing the blame everywhere else but on their own shoulders so it is interesting to see how people think.

hominid's avatar

@KNOWITALL – Interesting. I went back and re-read HC’s comments and the original question. I was mistaken. @Hypocrisy_Central is talking about this stuff in a strictly practical “how to avoid getting a splinter” type of way, while I was wrapping in ethics. It’s likely why we were talking past each other, and why we often do. He is generally amoral, and I usually interpret this as advocating immorality in a way.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@hominid I don’t see HC as amoral at all, but it’s interesting you perceive him that way.

hominid's avatar

@KNOWITALL: “I don’t see HC as amoral at all, but it’s interesting you perceive him that way.”

No, I mean that technically he is. His concept of right/wrong is in no way connected to consequences or suffering/happiness. His morality is not what we think of when we say that something is “right” or “wrong”. From his perspective, there is nothing to discuss. They are commands made by his god, and they are disconnected from the type of ethics we might discuss here.

Anyway, I just mentioned it because I think you are right. He is viewing this more as a strategy session on how to avoid rape – mostly because he is unconcerned with ethical responsibility.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@hominid PM’ing you so we don’t derail.

Cruiser's avatar

@hominid Perhaps you will eventually see @Hypocrisy_Central‘s questions for what I perceive them to be as merely exercises in critical thinking. I know some perceive his questions as hot messes, but I take most of his questions as a grain of salt and if I have the luxury of a lot of free time I might actually put a thought or two down for grins. HC likes to push buttons and often a lot at one time including as you observed amoral buttons.

GloPro's avatar

@KNOWITALL wow. May you never get drugged by a bartender. May you always cover your drink with a coaster. May you always have a thumb in the neck of your bottle.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@GloPro You seem to be implying it’s impossible to be personally responsible, but it’s really not.

mazingerz88's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central she gets a pass precisely because she was drunk. It could be that she was more vulnerable compared to a sober female to a determined rapist. Or are you saying that it’s because she was drunk that compelled guys to rape her-?

Females who drink make themselves rape targets. Hmmm…I thought it’s just the common love of booze. LOL Would guys assume that if they get sodomized while drunk that they should also be blamed for it-?

GloPro's avatar

@KNOWITALL No, I’m saying shit happens and blaming the victim is a damn shame.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@GloPro Seems logical to me to assume people are creeps so you should protect yourself to the best of your abilities.

I was raped by a friend when I had drank too much and couldn’t fight him off when I was 19 or so. No one’s going to save you except yourself, and I put myself in that position by trusting the wrong guy to be a good guy. Hopefully it’s easier for you to understand my pov knowing I was the victim.

GloPro's avatar

Sorry, no. By your logic getting food poisoning is your fault because you should have watched your chicken being prepared. Don’t pretend to tell me you only order your drinks directly from a bartender, never from a waitress or cocktail girl. Even non-alcoholic drinks can be drugged. Some perpetrators use syringes to inject drugs into unopened water bottles, or into soft chew candy they pass out at Halloween.
If you are harmed because of the immoral intentions of someone else you are not to blame. Just because someone is vulnerable to attack does not in any way mean they are partially responsible.

I also strongly disagree that I should assume “people are creeps.” I’m sorry that is the world you live in. Not me.

hominid's avatar

@KNOWITALL: “Seems logical to me to assume people are creeps so you should protect yourself to the best of your abilities.”

There is something quite different between….

“What can a person do to protect herself from rapists and murderers?”

and

“Doesn’t Mary share some responsibility for the fact she was raped because of ____?”

100% of the responsibility for a rape falls on the rapist 100% of the time. Period. There are no mitigating factors.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@GloPro Enjoy those rose-colored glasses while you can.

@hominid A tough girl like me allowing myself to be powerless is something I don’t know that I can forgive myself for.

hominid's avatar

@KNOWITALL: ”@hominid A tough girl like me allowing myself to be powerless is something I don’t know that I can forgive myself for.”

I’m not sure what this means in the context of what we are talking about.

GloPro's avatar

@KNOWITALL I await your response to this bullying question in progress right now that if a child is being bullied in school they brought it on themselves.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@hominid Because you just told me 100% of the responsibility is on the rapist, I’m not sure I believe that in my own heart. Seems applicable.

hominid's avatar

@KNOWITALL: “Because you just told me 100% of the responsibility is on the rapist, I’m not sure I believe that in my own heart. Seems applicable.”

What? What does that statement have to do with my statement about 100% responsibility? What does this have to do with being a “tough girl”? And what exactly do you not believe – that the person who does the raping doesn’t bear 100% of the responsibility for the rape?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@hominid I do believe that I have a responsiblity to protect myself and since I didn’t, I do feel like I share the responsiblity.

I’m a tough girl, so putting myself in a vulnerable position a/k/a trusting that guy to sleep on my couch, was a bad decision on my part.

hominid's avatar

@KNOWITALL: “I’m a tough girl, so putting myself in a vulnerable position a/k/a trusting that guy to sleep on my couch, was a bad decision on my part.”

Making bad decisions has no connection to being assaulted. You could have made one bad decision after another. But that doesn’t make you partially responsible for what happened. There is literally nothing you could have done to be partially responsible for a rape. Rape is defined as against a person’s will. We’re not talking about someone having sex and just not expressing that they are uncomfortable with it. We’re talking about forcible assault, right? A woman could be naked in a dark alley at 3am, masturbating and singing a song about how horny she is. If I guy starts putting the moves on and she says “stop”, if a rape occurs, none of the responsibility falls on the woman. None. What I am I missing?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@hominid I disagree. My sobriety was my decision and my decision alone. When he saw I was vulnerable, he may have seen an opportunity. I shouldn’t have given him that opportunity in my opinion.

hominid's avatar

^ So, rape is somewhat justified if the woman is drunk and/or makes bad decisions that put her in a vulnerable position?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@hominid It’s not somewhat justified, it’s a trait of a psychopath to exploit people in vulnerable positions. It’s the drunk girl in the dark room that they’ll pick over the sober girl who may fight back or scream.

I teach my niece to not put herself in that position and not to assume people are all full of good intentions. You know, like stranger danger? That doesn’t end with childhood.

hominid's avatar

^ Well, it’s clear that you and I are talking past each other in significant ways, just like I did with HC. I don’t think we’re talking about the same thing. I feel we’re talking about rape-avoidance strategies again. All of that is important, but not really what I was talking about.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@hominid I suggest trying a different approach. In your scenario above, if I am out camping and I stick around and get a photo with a baby bear, I am threatening the life of a bear’s cub. And bears (not people who are subject to laws or who you can reason with) do what bears do in that situation – they protect. And that protection will likely involve ripping my arm off.
As you have just alluded to, the bears can’t reason, so you can’t place fault on the bare when you should know there is a mama bear around, yet you still try to ”threaten the bear” with your Glock 9mm Nikon. The humans are the smart one and should know what the bear would do in like situations as that and be diligent to avoid it. It all goes back to the humans taking the lead because we are the reasoning one

Are you suggesting that men are like bears? Men who see a vulnerable woman are forced to instinctively assault her? If male humans are not conscious moral agents who are capable of following law, then we should likely be drafting legislation to severely restrict male human’s rights. We’ll likely have to invest in cages, and set very strict limits on what males can and cannot do.
If all men, and women, were conscious moral agents eager to follow every iota of written law, I guess security companies, lock makers and cops would be out of business. If you believe people are so law abiding why not leave your home unlocked and the alarm off for a week and come back and tell us if anyone entered there uninvited and took any of your stuff.

You don’t even believe that logic in any other area. You don’t walk around with a good self-protective stance.
Oh really, what am I thinking now? I don’t have to walk around as if I am about to fight at any moment, I don’t have to. Depending on what neighborhood I am in and the time of day I observe if someone darts into an ally or passage way I have to pass or travel in. I am observant if the young man with droopy pants who passed me has circled around and coming back in my direction. I play attention if I am at the ATM or any place else about anyone nearby.

Last holiday season, if you or other family went shopping for gifts, did you place them in your trunk or in the back seat for all to see; if you placed them into the trunk why? Surely where you shop is very safe. Hiding your good in the trunk was not going to lessen the chance of your car getting broken into, if it was to be hit, it would, even if the car three spaces down had all of theirs in plain view, by your logic.

Using HC’s logic, she is responsible. She should have ordered a bottle of water, and demanded that it be unopened.
Please, do not even try to assume you can come close to my logic. Having water unopened would be the height of diligence; don’t you do that when you buy things from the supermarket, for your Halloween candy for the kids, or when you get something from a vending machine? To point out how far off you are, she is not irresponsible for having a drink. If she drinks to the point she can’t tell if she is walking on one sidewalk, or three, if that compromises her ability to protect herself against what is already out there, threat wise, she did that, no one made her. She bears some culpability in that.

He is generally amoral, and I usually interpret this as advocating immorality in a way.
I am moral, I can’t use morality in this place, for like the Matrix, and it exists only in people’s minds. Here there is dozens of moralities and none has an author or entity of authority behind it, so using it is as useless as tits on a boar.

His morality is not what we think of when we say that something is “right” or “wrong”. From his perspective, there is nothing to discuss. They are commands made by his god, and they are disconnected from the type of ethics we might discuss here.
How can I go with a morality that is 1st from flawed men, which has no author, or implemented by people I do not even know has the authority to implement it other than having more guns and prisons to enforce it, when I have the Creator of the universe who created what all those men believe they created. There is a “right” and a “wrong” the difference comes from attributing credit to it to other men who are no more have the authority to judge it than the flawed humans they want to follow it.
I don’t have a god, I have the One True Living God.

@GloPro I’m curious… Does the same logic (if you call it logic) apply if this woman had only one beer and it had been laced with GHB? Is it her fault she’s out of her mind because she had a beer? Someone drugged her; is she responsible for all actions after that beer? Why or why not,..?]
I believe I addressed this already, but if I didn’t listen up. If she, or anyone else, had one beer and it was drugged, the person drinking the beer had no knowledge they were getting loaded, inebriated etc. The choice was taken from them by whoever drugged the drink. It is not the same as sitting there having beer after beer even when you feel yourself getting drunk unless people who get drunk are too stupid to know they are getting drunk which would be a good reason not to do it if you can’t control it or even know how it is affecting you.

@KNOWITAL She shares partial responsiblity imo, because everyone knows you don’t leave your drink unattended for that very reason. It’s mostly common sense.
People seem to want to use common sense about protecting pets and property but leave it on the shelve when they need to apply it for their own personal safety.

I think you push it a little too far that a woman has to drink water or be home, I don’t believe HC is a total male chauvinist.
They will try to use gonzo logic to perpetrate that lie, because they don’t want to admit there is a minimum level of responsibility everyone should take to protect themselves, or they do not want to admit that minimum level can be compromised by being wasted…..guess they are planning to hit the bars later.

@Cruiser HC likes to push buttons and often a lot at one time including as you observed amoral buttons. HC likes to push buttons and often a lot at one time including as you observed amoral buttons.
I see it as getting people who pride themselves off logic or evidence of what they can see, feel, smell, measure or weight to examine more closely what they believe and why? Often times it appears to me they believe because some other man told them to believe it. Sometimes there are physical things to back up what is said but often it is not all-inclusive yet it is believed as the pure nugget of gold.
This question here is approached as purely logical. If you are that wasted you can cause yourself to have an accident you would never have sober, but also you can stumble into a situation you would not if you were sober. If you know ahead of time what you are doing would further that aim, how can you not say you had nho hand in it when you actually did?

@mazingerz88 Or are you saying that it’s because she was drunk that compelled guys to rape her-?
Not in general. Anyone who would want to rape her, or any other woman, would desire to do so drunk or sober. However, as a thief, many would not act on it unless the opportunity seemed favorable enough to do so and in a manner to escape detection or punishment. For example, years ago a friend of my niece boyfriend had a classic Chevelle SS Super Sport which he parked for a moment to run into a quikie mart to get some smokes. He left the motor running and then door unlocked. Needless to say, when he came out, be it a few minutes tops, the car was gone. Would someone had stolen it so easily from in front of the quikie mart had he locked the car and killed the engine the person who stole it may not have stolen it because it would have been more difficult. Did his actions make it easier and quicker for the car thief, what do you think?

Hmmm…I thought it’s just the common love of booze. LOL Would guys assume that if they get sodomized while drunk that they should also be blamed for it-?
The love of booze has nothing to do with the desire to be attacked, or not. Exposing one to easy attack or robbery is just a byproduct of the love of too much booze at one sitting. If a guy ended up in bed with another man or a woman with a strap-on buggering the dog crap out of them, sure they will say they had no part in it. But if they were too wasted to fathom why they were being led to a back room and have their clothes removed, they would not be easy picking had they been sober.

Cruiser's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central As I would never blame my alcoholism on any stupid moves I made both before and after my recovery. I have always owned up to my my poor choices…though admittedly it may have required a good nights sleep to do so. That said I have done stupid things sober and I still own up to my mistakes…it is how I was raised and how I live my life.

janbb's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central Just wondering: is English your native language?

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

^ Are you a US citizen born and raised, or did you come here from someplace else?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central I have to say I agree with you on this one. Where does the line blur between victim-blaming and self-protection?

As I said earlier, stranger danger does not end with childhood, so if you teach your child to be ‘aware’, then shouldn’t adults do the same?

bob_'s avatar

You are a horrible, horrible person.

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