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Is the Big Bang the current theory explaining how the universe began?

Asked by Dan_Lyons (5311 points ) 3 months ago

Or did we reverse engineer ourselves from out of Dark Matter?
Could the Strings from Quantum Foam coalesce into universes with no prompting? And what sort of prompting might be required?

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Tropical_Willie's avatar

You forgot Branes as in membranes.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Yes, the Big Bang is the current accepted most likely theory for the origin of our Universe. Forget the idea that we “reverse engineered” ourselves from dark matter. The term “dark matter” itself is somewhat problematic, as we don’t actually know what it is. It may not be matter at all. “Dark matter” is simply a placeholder name for a phenomenon that we know absolutely nothing about and cannot observe, but can observe the effects it has on the Universe.

kritiper's avatar

The Big Bang is the current theory of how the universe came to be what it is now. I contend that there may have been countless Big Bangs throughout the eons of time before this latest one.

Dan_Lyons's avatar

If that is so, @kritiper , then when, if ever, was the very first Big Bang
that started the whole shebang?

kritiper's avatar

@Dan_Lyons There was never a first. There has always been vacuum and matter in the eternal void. (You can’t have nothing, then a “bang”, then something.) It could have happened infinitely and may continue infinitely, again and again and again…

Dan_Lyons's avatar

Do you have some sort of proof of this theory of yours @kritiper

kritiper's avatar

@Dan_Lyons Logic, my dear fellow, pure logic. It is my theory and, by definition, theory is unproven speculation.

Blondesjon's avatar

@kritiper . . . According to Stephen Hawking you can have nothing, then a “bang”, then something.

It is also only a theory but the logic behind it is very persuasive.

kritiper's avatar

@Blondesjon A big bow to Mr. Hawking! But my contention stands.

Dan_Lyons's avatar

And so now we are acceding to this reduction of logic concerning the universe not having a starting point, but rather simply existing for all time without a beginning and actually poofing itself into physical reality, well, on a whim.

Hmmmm. This sounds suspiciously like that person others are saying created the whole show who apparently also has no beginning and simply appears on the scene to create the universe.

Blondesjon's avatar

As living creatures that have a beginning and an end it is very hard for humans to truly wrap their minds around the concept of eternity.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@kritiper “It is my theory and, by definition, theory is unproven speculation.”

No, no, no, no. In science a theory is anything but unproven speculation. Quite the opposite in fact. In science a theory is about as proven as it gets.

BeenThereSaidThat's avatar

For people who believe in the “Big Bang Theory” I wonder if they know “who” caused that Big Bang to happen? just sayin..

Darth_Algar's avatar

@BeenThereSaidThat

Your question assumes that “someone” cause it. Also it is not relevant.

Dan_Lyons's avatar

Actually, if someone or something did cause The Big Bang, @Darth_Algar, it is very relevant.

We actually think we know a lot of what happens in the Bang right up to just seconds prior to the actual event initiating.

So no, @BeenThereSaidThat, They don’t know who or what caused the Big Bang nor even if it was caused but has just always been happening.

Darth_Algar's avatar

No, it is not relevant. It is not a question that science really attempts to answer because it isn’t a question that can be answered.

And nothing really happens in the Big Bang prior to the actual event.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

It is the accepted guess, no better than consulting a Magic 8 Ball, since no one was around when it happend.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central

Yet still more evidence for it than there is for God.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

^ Depends on what you want to see as evidence. But it is not for me to prove God, that is by faith, it is other people who need to prove what they say can be measured, weighed, seen, felt, smelled or touched..

Darth_Algar's avatar

Any claim has to be supported by evidence as far as I’m concerned. Faith alone doesn’t mean shit.

jerv's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central Like the Theory of Evolution, there is enough room in the Big Bang Theory to allow for a divine creator. One can adhere to sound scientific methods without renouncing religious beliefs.

It is the current theory as we have no better theories to displace it. It may be wrong, but it’s currently the theory with the most supporting evidence. Personally though, I think it’s wrong simply because it’s comprehensible by the human mind; I believe the truth is far stranger than we can conceive.

kritiper's avatar

@Darth_Algar If you have an objection to the definition of “theory,” you’ll have to take it up with Webster’s.

kritiper's avatar

@BeenThereSaidThat Sorry, but there is no “who.”

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

The big bang was just our program loading up. Jeeze.

BeenThereSaidThat's avatar

@kritiper ”“Devout Atheist”? yep, that explains a lot.

Dan_Lyons's avatar

@kritiper You are so adamant that there is no Who that you remind of that saying, “Methinks thou dost protest too much!”

Darth_Algar's avatar

@kritiper

Understand the difference between scientific theory, and the common “I got me a hunch” usage of “theory”.

kritiper's avatar

@Darth_Algar I think Webster covers that, too. And it’s my theory, not the general accepted type.

kritiper's avatar

@Dan Lyons I’m 100% sure there is no “who.” To think there was opens a whole other can of worms, like, where did this “who” come from?? I’ll try not to “protest,” as you put it, too much. But the notion does sound too fantastic to be true. Just sayin’...

Darth_Algar's avatar

@kritiper

So then you should know that scientific theory is not “unproven speculation”.

Dan_Lyons's avatar

Your degree of certainty in no way whatsoever has any bearing on the facts here.

The question as to where this “who” came from is as incredible I’m sure as your allegation that the universe simply has always existed.

kritiper's avatar

@Darth_Algar “theory ...a mere hypothesis, speculation, or conjecture; an individual view or notion…” -from The New Century Dictionary

kritiper's avatar

@Dan_Lyons Ditto to your “who.”

Darth_Algar's avatar

@kritiper

Again, understand what scientific theory is. Until you do so this conversation is no longer worth my time.

kritiper's avatar

@Darth_Algar I didn’t say it was scientific, only that it was mine, based on personal observation.

Darth_Algar's avatar

We’re in a thread about a scientific theory and this entire time you’ve been misunderstanding the concept of scientific theory while calling your hunch a “theory” and in the process equating scientific theory with “unproven speculation”. Then you fall back upon pointing out stale dictionary definitions of a single word to defend your misunderstanding of a concept that goes far beyond that single word. In threads about science please understand the proper terms, what they mean, and stop calling your hunch a “theory”. This kind of posting only serves to further exacerbate the ignorance and misunderstanding of science that woefully plagues our society now.

Dan_Lyons's avatar

@Darth_Algar Wild Applause!!!!!

jerv's avatar

I think this post may be the first time the word hypothesis has appeared in this thread. I think that’s slightly sad.

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