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Would less questions end up censored if a ”Do not ask” list was available?

Asked by Hypocrisy_Central (21362 points ) April 23rd, 2014

If a list existed that had all the questions you could not ask on Fluther, or a list of stating how you can’t ask particular questions would that stop questions from being censored in the ”editing room”?

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GloPro's avatar

Maybe it’s being censored pulled because it has been asked already.

Mimishu1995's avatar

Are you kind of complaining about your hentai tatoo thread?

janbb's avatar

You keep on flogging the same horse. I’ve never had a problem with questions being pulled unless I have a typo to fix.

You already asked this question in a different form last week. What is it with your hate-hate relationship with Fluther?

turtlesandbox's avatar

HC is constantly attacked and users get away with it. Just this morning a user said his questions are lame. fyi- This doesn’t look very welcoming to new users. I would probably hate it if it happened to me all the time.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@GloPro Maybe it’s being censored pulled because it has been asked already.
You know something the rest of us doesn’t? When a question evaporates completely or is closed by the time you get there, who is to say why or what happened to it, it isn’t like a system wide Fluther Alert went out with an explanation.

@janbb You keep on flogging the same horse.
You keep drinking the same water and saying it is bitter, if anything kinda the same boat then.

What is it with your hate-hate relationship with Fluther?
If I have any, (which I don’t), it must have come from everyone else who dared to ask a question about Fluther in Meta ~~

@turtlesandbox HC is constantly attacked and users get away with it.
Perhaps the mob does indeed rule. When you challenge them then they then you see how well someone stands up to the challenge.

This doesn’t look very welcoming to new users.
How else will new users know to stay in their lane and tow the party line?

In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
Conform or be cast out

In the basement bars
In the backs of cars
Be cool or be cast out

Newbees have to learn, free and unencumbered speak is just a buzz word, never really to be taken that seriously

GloPro's avatar

No, @Hypocrisy_Central, other than proper grammar, I do not know something the rest of us doesn’t don’t. What I do know came from a similar question I asked just last week in which it was explained why some questions are pulled, and who gets notification. Your two almost identical questions have both been shot down for logical reasons, one of which being the unnecessary workload to create an idiotic list you are putting on the mods. They have plenty to do between moderating arguments and comments, editing, and pulling questions that have been asked multiple times. Your list idea is a bad one, period. Who would read it anyway if they knew an inappropriate question would just get pulled? I am lazy and would not scan a list for permission or appropriate content every time I wanted to ask a question. That’s the purpose of guidelines and mods. And both are working great.

By all means, however, get to work compiling your list and submit it.
@turtlesandbox I was a newbie not too long ago and quickly figured out why HC annoys a lot of people. It didn’t take but one interaction with him to join the mob. People get along with different people, there are cliques to some degree. That’s how the real world works, too. I disagree that it is a turnoff to all newbies.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@GloPro Whether or not anyone can or should make the kind of list @Hypocrisy_Central was suggesting, that is no reason to pull the question. If it wasn’t pulled for writing standards, it must have been pulled for another reason. My guess is the infamous “agenda” scapegoat.

@Hypocrisy_Central, don’t you receive notification and an explanation when your questions are pulled? Surely, they can’t simply have disappeared off the face of the earth without the OP being notified.

GloPro's avatar

@dappled_leaves I’m not sure I understand your response to me. If a question is asked multiple times in a short period do the mods not pull it? I don’t know. Some teenage does he like me questions seem to disappear. Lord knows we see that one over and over.

Mimishu1995's avatar

I used to have a couple of question getting modded for various reasons, mostly being grammatical error. One day a question of mine was modded because it was a potential flame.

Maybe less questions will end up censored, but that will also leave the askers an uneasy feeling. It’s just like standing in front of a huge list of don’t in an amusement park.

The guideline kind of limit the kinds of inappropriate questions. And I prefer not having a “do not ask” list. It feels better to throw a dice and just let it roll.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@GloPro I was responding to this part of your post: ”...for logical reasons, one of which being the unnecessary workload to create an idiotic list you are putting on the mods…”

I realize that you were also talking about questions being pulled as duplicates – and I do find that reasonable.

Although, again, presumably @Hypocrisy_Central was notified as to the actual reason for the questions being removed. Perhaps he will enlighten us instead of making vague accusations of censorship.

Mimishu1995's avatar

@dappled_leaves Although, again, presumably @Hypocrisy_Central was notified as to the actual reason for the questions being removed. Perhaps he will enlighten us instead of making vague accusations of censorship.

Kind of remind me of this stupid experience

turtlesandbox's avatar

@GloPro I may have a new account, but that doesn’t mean I’m new. I’ve watched users attack him and get away with it for many years now. It is possible to ignore questions you don’t like, but for some users that isn’t possible and they take every opportunity to let the OP know they don’t like them. btw- I’ve never had a problem with HC.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@GloPro Your two almost identical questions have both been shot down for logical reasons, one of which being the unnecessary workload to create an idiotic list you are putting on the mods.
Oh really? Then you are claiming information no one else has, or have you tapped the mod’s phone lines or email accounts. Nothing is idiotic if it prevents someone from doing something that will need to be addressed anyhow; then, that is your opinion, go ahead and have it.

They have plenty to do between moderating arguments and comments, editing, and pulling questions that have been asked multiple times. Your list idea is a bad one, period.
I can attest a list is not a good idea or one I would desire, but it would lessen the job the mods have, hard to argue that. If a person knows they have to ask political questions per se, this particular way, and certainly not that way, then no one would and the mods would save themselves one question they would have to deal with. I think there should be no question questioned; let the question fly and see where it goes, or if people can be civil dealing with it. It is the people not the question where the trouble comes from.

By all means, however, get to work compiling your list and submit it.
Read the details, did I say I was forming a list? I don’t think so, but then, rush to judgments never happen on Fluther. ~~

People get along with different people, there are cliques to some degree. That’s how the real world works, too. I disagree that it is a turnoff to all newbies.
You disagree because if you were on the playground and everyone wanted to pick on the fat kid, you would simply join the mob to pick on the fat kid too? After all, if you are lockstep with them picking on the fat kid, then they are not picking on you, seems like a logical strategic move.

@dappled_leaves [..don’t you receive notification and an explanation when your questions are pulled? Surely, they can’t simply have disappeared off the face of the earth without the OP being notified.
Not the second time. I do get notices, as I am sure we all do, when the stringent standards of Fluther is not met to a tee; I make the edits I am told to make, the question is resubmitted, and never seen again, no reason. If there was still an error it was because the mods missed it before they sent it back, how would I know what it was the second time around if I did not see it the first time? I have looked back through the archives and sometimes there is an interesting question, might have even gotten a few GQs, and sometimes a cobble of answers, then at the end it is said the discussion is closed, no reason why. If the answer or possible answers are left unresolved and you try to ask the question to get there, now you can’t because it is a duplicate question; leaving the original question (if the OP did not yank it) under a de facto censor.

turtlesandbox's avatar

But @Hypocrisy_Central, that fat kid must have done something to deserve that bullying.~

dappled_leaves's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central Interesting. Well, then I’m interested in hearing the mods’ response to that.

Symbeline's avatar

@Mimishu1995 This question came before the tattoo one. ^_^

GloPro's avatar

@turtlesandbox I know you aren’t new. I was responding to your statement that it is a turnoff to newbies.

@Hypocrisy_Central If the fat kid were a passive aggressive, condescending and mildly creepy person then I would not have any more desire to be nice to him because of his size. And as usual, your response shows you choose not comprehend most posts. Why ask about a list if you aren’t suggesting one, especially when you asked the exact same question with a twist less than three days ago? If you aren’t the one making it, then doesn’t my response to leave the mods with their current responsibilities make sense? And your first response to me doesn’t have anything to do with anything. Any info I have came from the explanations in the link I provided, which you clearly ignored. It was addressed there and not secret info.
Your next response just shows that logical consensus of ‘the mob’ in negative response to your OP must be because of you personally, and not an idea we all reject. Grow up.

turtlesandbox's avatar

You don’t think bullying and name calling are turnoffs @GloPro? HC may have odd answers that many people don’t like, but he never hounds a specific user and resort to name calling like many do to him. This type of activity is a big turnoff for me. How can it not be a turnoff to someone new? Oh, that’s right. He’s not in the popular clique.~

GloPro's avatar

I usually say something when I see name calling and bullying as well. It’s childish.
It is my opinion that being snide, passive aggressive, and condescending without addressing people specifically is worse than having words with someone directly. Then at least you are on the same playing field and not playing a “poor me, I don’t know why I am so misunderstood because I never have anything bad to say about anyone” bullshit card. It is thinly veiled and eloquently worded, but HC can be beyond judgemental. I may be direct and blunt and clearly disagreeable at times, but I try my best not to judge or name call. Sometimes I call it as I see it. There is a difference. It doesn’t bother me when another jelly calls HC out. He certainly does it to every one of us.

But this is way off topic.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@GloPro If the fat kid were a passive aggressive, condescending and mildly creepy person then I would not have any more desire to be nice to him because of his size.
Nice to know you have justification to bullying, I am sure others do too, they just don’t fall under the same criteria, so I guess we should allow bullies to exercise their freedom of opinion and slap around those that don’t fit in their pigeon hole.

And as usual, your response shows you choose not comprehend most posts.
Because I am not bowing down to them as golden nuggets of wisdom I don’t comprehend it? I do, but as many can’t seem to get what I tell them, I have the right to ignore it if they are talking out of the side of their necks saying don’t do as I do, do as I say do.

Why ask about a list if you aren’t suggesting one, especially when you asked the exact same question with a twist less than three days ago?
I can ask about murder without having plans to kill anyone. This question is because the first question did not have anything close to an answer, it evaporated after edits were made to it; had there been a little more effort in keeping that question alive, as I suspect other’s question, the original question would still be entertained.

Any info I have came from the explanations in the link I provided, which you clearly ignored. It was addressed there and not secret info.
I know why questions are said to be pulled, since you seem to be fixed on my, I thought you were addressing why some of my questions evaporated, when you do not know any conditions about those questions personally, or how many evaporated. It is not like I came clueless on what can cause a question to go the way of T-Rex, sometimes corrections are made to suit but the question still evaporates. That is different of course from a question that ended up closed but is still there to let others know it was a live question once.

Your next response just shows that logical consensus of ‘the mob’ in negative response to your OP must be because of you personally, and not an idea we all reject. Grow up.
If I got that wrong, then why don’t you explain it then? When you posted: I was a newbie not too long ago and quickly figured out why HC annoys a lot of people. It didn’t take but one interaction with him to join the mob. You say in the 1st part that _a lot of people are annoyed, we won’t go into what “a lot” means or how you can know if most, and not a vocal minority concludes your lot, but in the second sentence you said after one encounter you joined the mob. So what is the mob doing that you joined the context sound as if you joined the mob of who feels annoyed with me? I am not clear with what you meant, maybe you would explain please.

It is my opinion that being snide, passive aggressive, and condescending without addressing people specifically is worse than having words with someone directly.
I am expected to get into everyone’s head as to phrase something that no one hearing it can take it the wrong way? I am not God, only He can do that. If I say that I am not a bigot but I get on the freeway and every time someone cuts me off I say ”Did you see that? II just know it has to be one of those [_add insult here Democrats, they are giving away the nation and they can’t drive”_, if one are offended it has to be because one see themselves in there. If you are an Independent or a Green why get bent because someone insults the other party?

Then at least you are on the same playing field and not playing a “poor me, I don’t know why I am so misunderstood because I never have anything bad to say about anyone” bullshit card.
Yeah, tell others that, if I challenge a sacred cow and explain it if someone get out the ”he is acting holier than thou” card because they feel diminished because they can’t withstand a challenge, if they want to challenge people on what they believe, they should expect the same.

_ It is thinly veiled and eloquently worded, but HC can be beyond judgemental._
You missed it, I have said exactly how I judge things and some have gotten quite upset because I don’t see it the way they do. If you don’t know the median or the standard I use, it is the Bible of the One true God, and if you believe a god created by man, and whose likeness man carved out or created, go right ahead.

GloPro's avatar

sigh I am only responding because you specifically asked me to. Sometimes even understanding your points can be difficult for me because you misinterpret or twist things around and respond to something that doesn’t exist. It is very frustrating and makes answering you hard work.

First off, there is a big difference between bullying and choosing to drop social niceties when dealing with an off-putting person. I am an equal opportunity asshole and would treat a supermodel the same as your fat kid. That does not equate to going out of my way to bully anyone, which I have no time for or interest in. I don’t slap anyone around for not fitting into a pigeon hole, as you put it. There you go twisting words and scenarios to come out justified. Stick to what was presented.

Secondly, what you are doing is not bowing down. You are re-wording and twisting the points of others to suit your response. Your responses are often not correlated with the statements made, but your version of the statements made, which shows a failure or unwillingness to comprehend. Comprehension is not agreeing.

Thirdly, fair enough, maybe you don’t have any plans to kill anyone or make a list. Maybe you are genuinely concerned. How this list would differ from guidelines is confusing to me as you present it. They sound like the same thing, just a lot more work to create and not useful.

Fourth… I am most certainly not concerned about your questions and their censorship. I’m not sure where that idea came from when my first response was to give you a link that had nothing to do with you that addresses why things disappear.

Finally, the last to address because I am exhausted. I only said mob because you said mob and I was attempting to speak your language Fail! It was thrown back at me as if I had used the term. Feed me more words? As for what “a lot” might be… Well, I was only going by how many atta boys I received on the interaction in question. It’s my top rated answer, I believe. So for me, that’s a lot. It is relative.

As usual, by the time I get here it’s all so convoluted I can’t remember the OP or what I’m even sticking up for. Feel free to respond, but I’m going to unfollow now.

Mimishu1995's avatar

Today on CNN Live: When @GloPro is pissed off! ~

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@GloPro You are re-wording and twisting the points of others to suit your response.
I say it is more the other way around, but beside that I guess it is a comprehension thing; I certainly can’t comprehend where you are coming from, as well as many others here who seem to say one thing but do entirely the other, so on this issue, you think what you please, I will do the same, and in the morning the coffee will brew just the same.

Haleth's avatar

If you don’t want your questions to be pulled, all it takes is self-awareness. Like, am I asking this because I really want to know? Or to make piss people off?

A question should be a question. You can ask pretty much anything without putting a spin on it, if you genuinely want answers.

If you don’t want input from other people, and just want to make your point, there are plenty of blogging sites that will allow you to do that. Or you can do it an an answer to someone’s question. Or there’s always Reddit (sad trombone.)

The guidelines say that questions need to be genuine, well-written, and promote good discourse. Those basic standards (and the fact that we actually use them!) are what make fluther the thoughtful place that it is.

A don’t ask list wouldn’t work. If you’re upset about limiting free speech- that would limit free speech. What the guidelines basically say is that your question needs a question. Not a statement that’s twisted around with a question mark on the end (flame-bait, trolling.)

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@Haleth [..promote good discourse.
I know it would just be your opinion and not an all encompassing definition, for one could ask 20 people and get many different answers, but what does that mean to you?

Haleth's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central ”...promote good discourse.”

What that means to me is almost anything other than a leading question. That could be “what is your favorite kind of pie?” or “how can I stand up for free speech?” But not “don’t you think brie is the worst kind of cheese?”

The details matter, too. What’s the point of asking a question, if you already have an answer in mind? (So, for instance, a rhetorical question doesn’t promote good discourse either.) A question that promotes good discourse is genuinely a question, open-ended to a variety of different answers. A question that is specifically worded to incite people to one reaction or another, is not really a question. That kind doesn’t promote discourse.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@Haleth What that means to me is almost anything other than a leading question.
A question leading the viewer to where? If someone has if Acer laptops are better than Sony, but they have a Sony which they state they like, but don’t want to take the Acer their grandparents want to give them for college because the OP felt they were not fair to gays, Hispanics, or whatever, do you feel that to be leading? You have another type of question you feel is leading, or if the question cannot be answered in a dozen different ways, then it is leading?

GloPro's avatar

Apparently as a new user, if you ask 3 valid, interactive, non-spam questions and get ridiculed to the point of closing your account all 3 of your questions will be pulled. That’s kind of BS, if you ask me.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@GloPro That’s total BS. Who did that happen to?

GloPro's avatar

He’s already gone. He was here less than a day. I don’t even remember his name, as it’s happy hour where I am. The 5’10” insecure guy asking about his height and then his appearance, in two separate valid questions today. He asked 3 questions, all appeared valid as per guidelines, yet all three, regardless of interaction, are now gone. Really, really questionable.

dappled_leaves's avatar

I think I saw one of the height questions… people were being ridiculously mean, so maybe it’s not tragic that it’s gone. But if the questions were not sent back to editing for some reason, I agree that they shouldn’t be pulled just because he left.

Under the circumstances, maybe he asked for them to be pulled?

GloPro's avatar

He didn’t seem the invested type to contact moderators. I didn’t think the responses were mean, just really sarcastic and joking. But I know the jellies here. It’s hard for me to judge otherwise. Even more so now that the posts were pulled without justification.

@Hypocrisy_Central. FYI

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@GloPro I didn’t think the responses were mean, just really sarcastic and joking.
Which IMO is systemic of part of the culture that is here, with such various blend of people what one says can be, and too often is, seen as a cut or an insult, when nothing insulting was said. I have been accused numerous times of insulting people I did not even know I insulted, and wasn’t trying. I thought I was just asking a tough question. I am not afraid to ask tough questions, I try to it as serious and non-insulting as possible, but people still take it there. Sometimes I give a sarcastic answer and it gets taken as some insult.

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