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GloPro's avatar

What compels you to prejudge and answer accordingly?

Asked by GloPro (8213 points ) April 29th, 2014 from iPhone

For me? It’s the “what does it mean if I dream about him?” Question. I twitch just seeing it.

It seems like there have been a couple of poorly worded attempts to infiltrate the tide pool lately, and although I don’t agree with the tactics, it seems we are always considering ways of bringing in new jellies.

What makes you jump on someone with a negative attitude right off of the bat? Could you choose your attitude and ride out the first toe dip, or are you determined to drive everyone else away?

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Hawaii_Jake's avatar

“Barkeep! I’ll have whatever @GloPro is drinking!”

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Unbroken's avatar

Well this seems more like an observation/critique and suggestion rather then a question.

But I honestly don’t understand the nature of it. I rarely notice asshole behavoir if it exists I see it as either an ongoing inside joke or between people who have history with each other and are equally stubborn in their position.

Oh and the obvious spammer or troll.

Of course no one wants to drive people away.

GloPro's avatar

@Unbroken Nope. This is a genuine question, not an observation. It’s possible you don’t notice because those newbie questions are pulled when they are driven out immediately.

I saw it happen 3 times today. The questions were bullshit fluff, but not spam. Two of the three are gone already, despite not being spam and being grammatically correct.

jerv's avatar

It’s like pornography; hard to define, but you know it when you see it.

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hearkat's avatar

Many, if not most, questions are pushed back to the OP because of failure to meet the writing standards. This is especially true with new users who may not have read through the guidelines. Whether or not the OP elects to make those edits and resubmit is up to them.

Sometimes, a post may be up for a while before a member of the volunteer moderation team logs on and sees it. When a post or a comment violates the guidelines, please flag it to call it to our attention, and do not respond to it within the thread.

If a Jelly happens to notice the violating content shortly after it’s posted, they might consider sending a PM to the Jelly who posted it so that they might have a chance to self-edit while there is still time.

GloPro's avatar

Nope. Content was fine. Grammar was correct. Newbie was attacked. Thread was definitely interactive. Questions pulled or disappeared when newbie closed account. I was PM’ing with the newbie, trying to get them to stay, but several people were not being welcoming. Because the user is gone, so are my PMs.

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muppetish's avatar

[mod says] Language of that persuasion is always pulled as obscene. Let’s try to get back to the main topic initiated in @GloPro‘s question.

Coloma's avatar

Attention seeking behaviors, people that ask a Q. then argue with and try to mold all the replies to their liking.
Yep, some dream questions, but they are usually asked by kids.
Still, hard to resist making a sarcastic crack at times.
I usually do not answer, but sometimes I will.

People that are looking for justification of crappy deeds.
Won’t get it from me.

Coloma's avatar

I am really very easy to get along with as long as nobody is trying to force feed me bullshit. lol

rojo's avatar

I was not aware this was a problem.

For me, it is the “Should I leave him/her/it questions”. I think that sometimes what is perceived as a negative attitude or answer is just one that is not wanted or agreed with. Many, if not most of the time, the questioner has already decided on a course of action and is trying to talk themselves out of it. Most of us here have been through this thing before, we know that it is rare that the situation improves and the quicker you move past it the better. So, your answer is “leave” and the response is “Yes, but….”. And for every subsequent answer you get a similar response. At some point you need to say that you have given your answer and then refrain from any more posts (kind of like @janbb is suggesting in another question about how many answers is too many). But, at least for me, that is sometimes hard to do. kinda like a dog with an old, well-chewed bone

But I think this only answers part of your question. The other part seems to be should we hold potentially new jellies to the same standard as the old even if doing so means they may not stay. And here, I think the answer is yes, the bar is not really that high.

ibstubro's avatar

I always try to encourage newbies by either answering their questions and GA or ignoring them. Just because a newbie asks one inane question doesn’t mean they can’t grow into a productive member.

The spelling/grammar bar could stand to be a little higher in my opinion. If you’ve been a member for years and you can’t even copy and paste a social question correctly, the mods are doing everyone a disservice by allowing the mistakes to stand uncorrected.

It can be very frustrating for members to be corrected and corrected and corrected again by the moderators on a question when they can cite glaring examples of poorly written questions. And that is true whether it’s a newbie or an oldbie.

Cruiser's avatar

I see it happen most when the OP is obviously from another country or nationality and English is not their native language and there are grammatical issues with their question and the Grammar Nazi’s come out in force often mocking the OP with asshat replies.

I saw this happen yesterday and he is no longer here.

Coloma's avatar

@Cruiser I agree, and have seen newbies criticized for their spelling and grammar, when, it is obvious to me, that english is not their primary language. I think anyone that has half a brain can make the discernment between a non-native english speaker and a dumb fuck. lol

ibstubro's avatar

@Cruiser & @Coloma I believe it’s important to hold all members to a minimum standard of English, as this is an English language site. While not perfect, there are free translators available from Google, etc. However, I feel like maintaining those standards are a function of the moderators and not fuel for asshat remarks.

I say flag the mistakes. If the moderators can’t communicate the problem to the user, then that user has no business being here.

The danger is that Fluther is an on-going, searchable Q&A site, and allowing pigeon English in questions sets a precedent that’s irreversible.

Cruiser's avatar

@ibstubro I encourage you to use one of those translators and see how much trouble you can cause. I do a lot of business in Mexico and China and would not dare using one of those translators. I tried to translate a data sheet into Spanish one time and my partner who is Mexican read it and he couldn’t stop laughing.

I do though respectfully disagree about being to strict on a persons ability or lack there of to string along an intelligent thought. That IMO would set a snobish tone to this place and I will go as far as saying it has had that tone since my first day here and why a lot of Jellies have left the tide pool.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@Cruiser I totally agree. Google translate comes up with some truly hilarious (and potentially damaging if taken seriously) results.

It’s an easy thing to test, too – just grap a piece of text in any language you don’t speak, and ask Google to translate it to English. What you get… will not be in English. Certainly not at Fluther standards, anyway.

Cruiser's avatar

@dappled_leaves How long would this Chines Jelly last had they used google translator? I cut pasted and translated the first Chinese I could find with hilarious results.

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Domestic purchasing all mad rush Shield Similac organic milk 6 paragraph 2 for only $ 110.19 a barrel
Watch the first 59 comments Urumqi blast site: police curfew inventory (Photos)
21 Comments Chinese navy has been thoroughly exposed flaws senior leadership aware (Photos)
18 Comments Caption: U.S. economic recovery, but the people who work all go? (Figure)
9 Comments Zhejiang Lishui a 66-year-old retired cadres raped Dayi Zi caused his death Pipanwuqi
5 Comments Xu has been detained for interrogation thick conclusive evidence to confirm the final say in the top 301 hospitals
4 Comments man suspected his wife was derailed after his release the “Little Three” brutal rape and murder of 12-year-old girl
26 Comments Media: Zhejiang, the two children of a woman thrown into traffic a baby is crushed (Photos)
Travel abroad, overseas credit card easily Tongzhan advance guard card replacements do!
Visa Certification mailed back to China Post Free Classified Ads handling, event notification
Shoot camera can not live with the hottest entry-SLR camera Canon T3i $ 429.

muppetish's avatar

@ibstubro I think most users would agree that we should uphold a fair standard of writing guidelines on the site. We encourage users to flag questions that contain errors so that we can help users edit in moderation. However, some users take it upon themselves to directly point out said errors as a response to the question itself. This is not okay in the General section, and it is often—though certainly not always—done to make the OP feel dumb.

We prefer that users flag the errors and proceed as normal by either answering the intended question in earnest or walking away.

ibstubro's avatar

I have used the translators to successfully converse with people in a language other than English on-line. KISS – ‘keep it simple, stupid’ is the key. After all, all we’re talking about is a getting a question written in reasonably correct English. Details, answers and responses are more negotiable, to me.

I agree 100% @muppetish.

I also think it’s very possible that newbies that cannot form a question in reasonable English quit in frustration over not being able to understand the responses they receive, rather in disgust at their content. As has been pointed out, if they are relying on a electronic translator they are likely getting a garbled version of any detailed answer, helpful or not.

It’s the new American Way – cater to the lowest common denominator at the expense of quality. Paraphrase:

You can cater to some of the people all of the time, or you can cater too all of the people some of the time, but you can’t cater to all of the people, all of the time.

I prefer that the Mods cater to some of the people, all of the time and I believe Fluther was designed that way. Else why the the constant admonition: “Bad spelling makes me grumpy!” Is that equivocal? “Bad spelling makes me grumpy unless a mod thinks it’s ignorance rather than laziness in each specific instance?” No thanks, and I can’t see a mod lasting that one out.

rojo's avatar

I think we could all benefit by remembering what Thumper was told by his mother If you can’t say somethin’ nice, don’t say nothin’ at all

dappled_leaves's avatar

@Cruiser Ha! Actually, that explains a lot.

Cruiser's avatar

@dappled_leaves I am a member at another forum where a portion of the news we relied on came from Asian and Islamic countries and we relied on machine translation of the news which nearly every time one was posted it sprouted great debate on what the translation was actually saying. I can’t recall even one translation that would come close to meeting the writing standards here. I would like to see a greater effort from the collective to reach out to these Jellies and offer a hand with clarifying the questions and answers of Jellies not fluent in English.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@Cruiser I believe it. Where I live, two languages are often spoken and intermingled, so we grow accustomed to common mis-translations in everyday speech. In some ways, I guess that makes us more vigilant about it when translating for professional purposes.

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