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What is the difference between having a partner and being co-dependent?

Asked by janbb (62874points) May 2nd, 2014

As asked. An issue I am thinking about.

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RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

Not sure I agree with the wording of the question. You can have or be a co-dependent partner. You can also have or be an independent partner.

When a person says things like:
“I want someone to complete me”.
“I’m looking to find the right person”.

… I think of co-dependency.

When a person says things like:
“We compliment each other”.
“I’m becoming the right person”.

… I think of someone who is worthy of a worthy partner.
_______

I feel that co-dependent relationships cannot allow one to have a life of their own beyond the other. Often it is justified under the principle of “Together we are more than single”. But that’s a false premise. Can’t be “more” if forced to fit inside a box of acceptance.

But two people with independent lives can make for a more fulfilling relationship, because each brings their unique qualities to combine to the whole.
___________

I had a pool shooting buddy of 25 years. Guys play every Tuesday. His new gal insisted upon joining, by claiming they should share everything. She based her identity upon who she was with him, rather than who she was by herself. The boys night out was never the same. Until he left her for not accepting and loving who he was without her. She was jealous and competitive for him, rather than supportive of him.

His new girlfriend is great. We see her on family events, and couples nights. We do not see her on pool night. She doesn’t need him to attend her boxing classes either. They are two independent self fulfilled people who combine to make a great relationship beyond themselves.

Cruiser's avatar

A partner will involve equal (or predetermined percentage) of effort by the partners towards a common goal.

Co-dependency refers to the dependence on the needs of, or control of another. It also often involves placing a lower priority on one’s own needs, while being excessively preoccupied with the needs of others. Co-dependency can often involve psychological, addictive or abusive behaviors by one of the parties involved.

Dan_Lyons's avatar

A co-dependent person is one who is not yet a complete person. Co-dependents often seek out other co-dependents in the erroneous belief that the two of them will make each other whole individuals.
Having a partner means you have coupled up with another person. You could be co-dependents or not.

janbb's avatar

How does one define a complete person? Don’t we all have needs to be met by another?? I’m looking for something deeper than the text book answers.

Cruiser's avatar

@janbb I more often than not see people get into “trouble” by needing or expecting another person to “complete” themselves. The strongest relationships I see are the ones where each partner is already a complete person themselves and together they are just that more stronger as a couple/partner yet they don’t depend (co-depend) upon that other person for their individual happiness.

Dan_Lyons's avatar

@janbb A complete person is one who does not need others to tell him/her what state of mind to be in at the time. They are whole {Most whole, complete people don’t need a definition of what it is they are}.
What needs do you have which require another meet them for you? Can you be specific?

cookieman's avatar

For me, it is the difference between “I want to be with you” vs. “I need to be with you”.

I love my wife more than anything or anyone. She is my best friend by a mile. I want to be with her as much as possible. My day is not the same if I cannot hear her voice or hold her hand. That being said, I do not need her to live. I am fine on my own. There is is no single aspect of life I cannot handle alone.

dappled_leaves's avatar

Every relationship sometimes requires putting the other person’s needs before one’s own. This applies even to friendship. But when the other person’s needs always come first, to the point where the person has difficulty functioning without the partner’s input, or feels a constant need to sacrifice him/herself for the partner, I think that must be a problem.

GloPro's avatar

I discovered that the difference is that one feels inherently good, and the other does not.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Well, just having a partner means you split up certain chores. Being do-dependent means you can’t do the chores without him/her (Wah.) Being independent means you can do the chores yourself, and sometimes do.

tinyfaery's avatar

Through years and years of being together, knowing someone like you know yourself, you become interdependent. You learn to anticipate your partner’s needs and desires and you want to do anything to keep them happy.

It’s not codependency. To learn sacrifice and selflessness is a difficult task, but being with someone and loving someone is a great way to learn.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

Codependent:
Someone who enables another in a given action, behavior, lifestyle or act; IMO that would be nearly every union out of marriage be chemical dependency present or not, and a good deal of marriages.

Partner:
Someone who is working towards the same goal as another but don’t really need them, but decide that teamwork is better than singular effort.

Coloma's avatar

Codependency is being preoccupied with the other over self. Attempting to fix, control, change bad behavior, change the person into someone who will meet all your needs unrealistically. It is about serving yourself up as some sort of martyr and then feeling angry and resentful that all you do ( usually not asked for ) is not met with undying gratitude.
It is compulsive “helping” which is always about making yourself feel better, more worthy and has nothing to do with the other persons true needs at all.

I like the saying that ” Help is the sunny side of control.”

I dumped a seriously codependent friend about 3 years ago, her self suffering martyred and never ending wounded bird routine wore thin and she was not at all interested in looking at her issues. Time to go.

flutherother's avatar

Having a partner makes you a better happier person. Being codependent makes you a worse person. One brings out your positive qualities the other emphasises your negative qualities.

SnoopyGirl's avatar

Co-dependency is needing to be totally dependent on someone. People that are co-dependent don’t have their own lives. They live in the world of their S/O, friend, family. A lot of people are co-dependent when their S/O, friend or family are working the 12 steps. I used to be a co-dependent person in my 20’s when I was with my S/O, who had a drug problem. He would go to his 12 step meetings, while I would go to Al-Anon. I remember worrying all the time and trying to control everything. I couldn’t let things happen as they were supposed to.

Having a partner is your best friend your lover. You share your thoughts and ideas with your partner. This is healthy because you both have your own space. Your own lives. Your partner does things he likes on his own/with friends and you do things that you like on your own/with friends. But, you also can do things together.

@cookieman I liked what you said. You summed it up perfectly.

hearkat's avatar

I can only answer from personal experience – especially since you don’t want ‘textbook’ answers.

Because I was abused as a child and thought so poorly of myself, I never could imagine that anyone could see something in me, and that they were just with me because I served a purpose or they were biding their time until someone “better” came along. Thus, I felt that the only way anyone would be with me was if I was useful to them, and if they felt they needed me. I focused all my time and effort into their problems and telling them what they could do to make it better; which not only made me feel like I had value, but it also deflected the focus off of me and all the issues I had – a clever diversion.

At the same time, I wished for someone to ‘rescue’ me, to ‘complete’ me, to ‘make me happy’, etc. Placing such expectations on someone else is not fair to them – they have their own faults and flaws and can’t be expected to fix yours. What we all yearn for is unconditional love – to be valued just for being us. Yet, if we see ourselves as despairing, incomplete, and unhappy and we manifest that in our behaviors, how could we believe that someone else would possibly want to be around us? This is where people start getting suspicious – “it’s too good to be true”. They might test the other person’s loyalties and devotion by playing those head games that so many people play.

That is co-dependence, and I think someone else mentioned that it occurs in many relationships, not just romantic partnerships. I have seen many women develop co-dependency with their children. Their whole lives revolve around the kid and they coddle and spoil them because they want their lives to be easier than they had it, and they want the kid to know how special they are. In the meantime, the kid is not learning to take responsibility or to be independent. When the time comes to go leave the nest, the mother goes into a frenzy because they don’t know what they’ll do without a kid to take care of. Some kids never cut the umbilical cord and have problems trying to form adult relationships, or some resent the parent and rebel.

After having failed in a few serious attempts at relationships, I spent some time to work on becoming a better role model for my son, and that also helped me become more like the type of person I admire and would want to be around. Along the way, I also contemplated the fear aspect – what if I meet someone and it doesn’t work out? It occurred to me that at some point, we will have to say goodbye to every person that we love.

If I date someone for a month, a year, or five years and we break up would that goodbye be harder or easier than if we’re together until one of us dies? Am I not better for having opened my heart and shared love for however long or short a time it lasted? What’s the worst that could happen, that I haven’t already been through in previous breakups? Would I be better for having loved and lost, or better if I stay single? Is there really a difference between those two versions of me? It seems like a cliche to say that we have to first love ourselves before we can truly love another, but in my experience, this has proven to be true.

Once I learned to accept my flaws and frailties, I became better able to accept the faults of others and to see that those are what make us uniquely and beautifully human.
Once I learned to own my insecurities and to not feel ashamed because I was abused as a child, I was able to see that we all have weaknesses and don’t like what we see in the mirror.
Once I was able to forgive myself for the poor decisions I made while trapped in a victim’s mindset, I was better able to put myself in others’ shoes and realize that I could easily be in their position (for better or worse) had a few circumstances been slightly different.
Once I was able to hold myself accountable for my feelings and my actions, I no longer needed to point fingers at those who harmed me in my past on whom to place blame, and I no longer needed to daydream about alternate realities in which I had been wanted and loved and encouraged by my parents and family – I was free to live in the real world of the present.
Once I was free from my past and living a life of integrity, I no longer needed to feel the approval of anyone else, because I approved of myself.
Once I approved of myself, I was able to accept the concept that I am, in fact, lovable and worthy of happiness just the way I am.
Once I learned to see myself as deserving of happiness, I began to engage in activities that brought me joy, and soon life was a positive experience and even the shitty days were better than the good days as my old pessimistic self.
Once I found happiness within I no longer felt vulnerable to external forces; I shared my happiness with others around me, and opened my heart to allow love to flow freely.

Once the love flowed freely from me, I found a kindred spirit. We struck up a good friendship and recognized the strong chemistry. We discussed it and chose to begin a romantic relationship. We made sure that any loose ends and unfinished business were respectfully taken care of. We talked about how important open communication and full disclosure are to us. We considered all the potential challenges based on past experiences and formulated our plan to avoid having those challenges become problems and resentments. We formed a partnership based on love, respect, and devotion, not need — and then we went on our first romantic date.

We accept ourselves and each other as we are, and are the same people whether we are alone, with our oldest friends, or together. We are together alone and alone together (I’m trying to come up with a better way to say that). We are each solid and whole, yet completely open and exposed. When this ends, it will definitely hurt and our grief will be tangible, yet neither of us will be emotionally destroyed by it because we are already complete. Our partnership somehow enhances our individual, independent identities. Having the devotion of the other without expectations or neediness allows us to feel even safer and more free to be ourselves.

I really do have difficulty putting words to these concepts, I hope this makes sense and that it helps. If something doesn’t make sense, please ask me for clarification.

Coloma's avatar

@hearkat Beautiful job. :-)

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