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The current administration does not like to link certain crimes of mass murder and/or mayhem to Islamism. Fair enough. But, excluding age and gender, what do the following criminals have in commen?

Asked by hud (210points) January 14th, 2015

April 18, 1983 – The April 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing, Beirut, Lebanon by the Islamic Jihad Organization. 63 dead, 120 injured
Kuwait December 12, 1983 – 1983 Kuwait bombings. The 90-minute coordinated attack of six key foreign and Kuwaiti installations including two embassies, the airport, and the country’s main petro-chemical plant, was more notable for the damage it might have caused than what was actually destroyed. What might have been “the worst terrorist episode of the twentieth century in the Middle East,” succeeding in killing only 6 people because of the bombs’ faulty rigging.[2]
Israel July 7, 1989 – Tel Aviv Jerusalem bus 405 suicide attack, near Kiryat Yearim. 16 dead.[3]

Osama bin Laden (1957–2011) was the founder of Al-Qaeda, the jihadist organization responsible for many high profile attacks, including the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings.

The 1998 United States embassy bombing in Nairobi where 214 people were killed including 12 Americans, 4000 others were wounded.United States February 26, 1993 – World Trade Center bombing, in New York City. 6 killed.[4]
India March 12, 1993 – Serial blasts in Mumbai kill 257 people.
Turkey July 2, 1993 – Sivas Massacre, Arson attack at a gathering in Sivas killing 35 intellectuals from Turkey, most of whom were Alevis.
Algeria December 24, 1994 – Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group of Algeria and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers.[5]
Saudi ArabiaUnited States June 25, 1996 – Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.[6]
Egypt November 17, 1997 – Luxor massacre, 6 armed Islamic terrorists attacked tourists at the Luxor ruins. 62 killed, 26 injured.[7]
India February 14, 1998 – A total of 58 people were killed and over 200 injured in 12 bomb attacks in 11 places, in the city of Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu.
Tanzania Kenya United States August 7, 1998 – 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead, 4000+ injured.[8]

2000–2009[edit]

The north face of Two World Trade Center (south tower) immediately after being struck by United Airlines Flight 175

Hasib Hussain, who detonated the bus bomb in Tavistock Square in the 7 July 2005 London bombings, is captured on CCTV leavingYemenUnited States October 12, 2000 – Attack on the USS Cole in the Yemeni port of Aden. 17 American sailors were killed, 39 injured.[9]
India December 22, 2000 – Attack on Red Fort in Delhi.
Indonesia December 24, 2000 – Christmas Eve 2000 Indonesia bombings of churches in eight cities, 18 killed.[10]
United States September 11, 2001 – 4 planes hijacked by 19 al-Qaeda hijackers: two planes crashed into World Trade Center and one into the The Pentagon. Nearly 3000 dead.[11]
India October 1, 2001 – Attack on the Jammu and Kashmir legislative assembly.
India December 13, 2001 – Suicide attack on Indian parliament in New Delhi by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations Jaish-E-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba, aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. 7 dead, 12 injured.[12]
India March 30, 2002 – Attack on the Raghunath temple
Indonesia October 12, 2002 – 2002 Bali bombings in the tourist district of Kuta on the Indonesian island of Bali, killing 202 people and injuring 240.[13]
India November 24, 2001 – Attack on the Raghunath temple
India January 22, 2002 – Attack on an American cultural centre in Kolkata
India May 14, 2002 – three terrorists attacked a tourist bus near the town of Kaluchak in the Indian state Jammu and Kashmir .
India July 13, 2002 – Militants kill 29 Hindu labourers in Qasim Nagar on the outskirts of Jammu in Jammu and Kashmir.
India September 24, 2002 – Akshardham Temple attack
India August 25, 2003 – Twin car bombings killed 54, and injured 244 people in Mumbai.
Indonesia August 5, 2003 – 2003 Marriott Hotel bombing in Mega Kuningan, South Jakarta, Indonesia; suicide bomber detonated a car bomb outside the JW Marriott Jakarta lobby, killing 12 and injuring 150
Turkey November 15–20, 2003 – 2003 Istanbul bombings, killed 57 people and wounded 700.
Spain March 11, 2004 – Madrid train bombings, killed 191 people and wounded 1,800.[14][15]
Russia September 1, 2004 – Beslan school hostage crisis, approximately 344 civilians including 186 children killed.[16][17]
Indonesia Australia September 9, 2004 – 2004 Australian Embassy bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia; suicide bomber exploded a one-tonne car bomb, which was packed into a small Daihatsu delivery van, outside the Australian embassy at Kuningan District, South Jakarta killing 9 and injuring over 150
Netherlands November 2, 2004 – The murder of Theo van Gogh by Amsterdam-born jihadist Mohammed Bouyeri.[18]
India July 5, 2005 – Attack on the Hindu Ram temple in Ayodhya, India. 6 dead.
United Kingdom July 7, 2005 – Multiple bombings in London Underground. 53 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.
Egypt July 23, 2005 – Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.
Indonesia October 1, 2005 – 2005 Bali bombings in Jimbaran & Kuta, Bali, Indonesia; a series of bombings kills at least 20 and injures over 100.
India October 29, 2005 – 2005 Delhi bombings, India. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus.[19]
Jordan November 9, 2005 – 2005 Amman bombings. a series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan. Over 60 killed and 115 injured.[20][21] Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.[22]
India March 7, 2006 – A series of bombings occurred across the Hindu holy city of Varanasi killing at least 28 people and injuring 101 others.
India April 30, 2006 – 2006 Doda massacre: Thirty-five Hindus killed by terrorists in Doda district in Jammu and Kashmir.
India July 11, 2006 – 2006 Mumbai train bombings: Seven bomb blasts over a period of 11 minutes on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai. 209 killed and over 700 injured.[23]
United Kingdom February 1, 2007 – The 2007 plot to behead a British Muslim soldier – A group of British Pakistanis in Birmingham, England planned to kidnap and behead a British Muslim soldier in order to undermine the morale of the British Army and inhibit recruitment of Muslims.[24]
Iraq August 14, 2007 – Qahtaniya bombings. Dour suicide vehicle bombings in two predominantly Yazidi towns in northern Iraq. 796 killed, 1,562 wounded.[25]
India May 13, 2007 – Jaipur bombings
India July 26, 2008 – 2008 Ahmedabad bombings. 56 dead, over 200 injured.[26][27]
India September 13, 2008 – Bombing series in Delhi, India. Pakistani extremist groups plant bombs at several places including India Gate, out of which the ones at Karol Bagh, Connaught Place and Greater Kailash explode leaving around 30 people dead and 130 injured, followed by another attack two weeks later at the congested Mehrauli area, leaving 3 people dead.
India September 27, 2008 – 27 September 2008 Delhi blast: An explosion in Mehrauli’s Electronic market called Sarai, killed 3 and injured 23 others.
India November 26, 2008 – Muslim extremists kill at least 166 people and wound numerous others in a series of coordinated attacks on India’s financial capital, Mumbai. The government of India blamed Pakistan based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba and stated that the terrorists killed/caught were citizens of Pakistan, a claim which the Pakistani government first refused but then accepted when given proof. Ajmal Kasab, one of the terrorists, was caught alive.[28][29]
United States June 1, 2009 – 2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting by Abdulhakim Muhajid Muhammad. 1 killed and 1 injured
Somalia June 18, 2009 – 2009 Beledweyne bombing by Al-Shabaab. 35 dead.
Indonesia July 17, 2009 – 2009 Marriott and Ritz-Carlton Hotels bombing in Mega Kuningan, South Jakarta, Indonesia; suicide bombers hit the Marriott and 5 minutes later the Ritz-Carlton. 9 killed and 53 injured
United States November 5, 2009 – Fort Hood shooting, at Fort Hood near Killeen, Texas. 13 dead, 33 injured.

2010–current[edit]
Russia March 29, 2010 – Moscow Metro bombings. 40 dead, 102 injured. Caucasus Emirate claimed responsibility[30]
United States May 1, 2010 – 2010 Times Square car bombing attempt, New York, New York, USA. Faisal Shahzad, an Islamic Pakistani American who received an American citizenship in December 2009, attempted to detonate a car bomb in Times Square working with the Pakistani Taliban or Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan.
Pakistan May 28, 2010 – Attacks on Ahmadi Mosques Lahore, Pakistan. Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan claimed attacks on two mosques simultaneously belonging to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, killing nearly 100 and injuring many others.[31]
India December 7, 2010 – 2010 Varanasi bombing, India. 2 dead, 37 injured.
Sweden December 10, 2010 – 2010 Stockholm bombing, Sweden. killing the bomber and injuring two people.
Russia January 21, 2011 – Domodedovo International Airport bombing. 37 killed, 173 wounded[32]
Germany March 2, 2011 – 2011 Frankfurt Airport shooting, Frankfurt, Germany. 2 dead, 2 injured.
China July 18, 2011 – 2011 Hotan attack, Hotan, China. A group of 18 young Uyghur men who opposed the local government’s campaign against the full-face Islamic veil perpetrated a series of coordinated bomb and knife attacks and occupied a police station on Nuerbage Street, killing two security guards and taking eight hostages. The attackers yelled religious slogans, including ones associated with Jihadism, 4 killed, 4 wounded.
China July 30, 2011 – A series of knife and bomb attacks occurred in Kashgar, China. Uyghur men hijacked a truck, killed its driver and drove into a crowd of pedestrians. They then got out of the vehicle and attacked pedestrians with knifes. On July 31, a chain of two explosions started a fire in a restaurant, 15 killed, 42 wounded.
Nigeria December 25, 2011 – Christmas Day bombings were bomb blasts and shootings at churches in Madalla, Jos, Gadaka, and Damaturu. Over 41 people are reported dead.[33]
Iraq 5 January 2012 Iraq bombings, Baghdad and Nasiriyah, Iraq by Islamic State of Iraq. 73 dead, 149 injured.
Thailand February 14, 2012 – A series of explosions occurred in Bangkok, Thailand, 5 wounded.
Iraq 23 February 2012 Iraq attacks, Baghdad, Iraq by Islamic State of Iraq. 83 dead, 250+ injured.
Iraq 20 March 2012 Iraq attacks, Baghdad and at least 9 other cities, Iraq. 52 dead, ~ 250 injured.
France March 20, 2012 – Toulouse and Montauban shootings in France. 7 dead, 5 injured.
Russia May 3, 2012 – Makhachkala attack. 14 dead, including 2 suicide bombers, 130 wounded[34]
Bulgaria July 18, 2012 – 2012 Burgas bus bombing – 7 dead, including the suicide bomber and 32 injured at Burgas Airport, Burgas, Bulgaria.
LibyaUnited States September 11, 2012 – 2012 Benghazi attack on the U.S. Consulate. 4 dead, 11 injured.
India February 21, 2013. – 2013 Hyderabad blasts, two bomb blasts killed 16 people and injured 119.
United States April 15, 2013. – Boston Marathon bombings. Two brothers, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnev, planted two bombs near the finish line of the Boston Marathon. The blast killed 3 and injured 183 others.[35]
Turkey May 11, 2013 – Reyhanlı bombings, killed 52 people and wounded 140.
United Kingdom May 22, 2013 – Two men with cleavers kill British soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich.[36][37]
Kenya September 21, 2013 – Westgate shopping mall attack, 67 killed, 175 wounded.[38][39][40]
Pakistan September 22, 2013 – Peshawar church attack, 80–83 killed, 250 wounded.
Nigeria September 29, 2013. – Gujba college massacre. 44 students killed by Boko Haram
China October 28, 2013 – A 4×4 vehicle crashed into a crowd and burst into flames in Tiananmen Square in Beijing, 5 killed, 38 wounded.
Nigeria February 14, 2014. – Borno Massacre at least 200 killed by Boko Haram[41]
China March 1, 2014 – A group of 8 individuals attacked civilians at Kunming Railway Station, 28 dead, 143 wounded.
China April 30, 2014 – Two assailants attacked passengers and detonated explosives at the Ürümqi railway station, 3 dead, 79 wounded.
Nigeria May 20, 2014. – Jos bombings at least 118 killed and over 56 injured[42]
China May 22, 2014 – Two SUVs which carried 5 assailants were driven into a street market in Ürümqi and up to a dozen explosives were thrown at shoppers through the windows of the SUVs. The cars then crashed into shoppers and collided into each other and exploded, 39 dead, 90+ wounded.
Belgium May 24, 2014. – Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting. Gunman opened fire at the Jewish Museum in Brussels killing 4 people.
Syria August, 2014. – Islamic State fighters massacred some 700 people, mostly men, of the Shu’aytat tribe in Deir ez-Zor Governorate.[43]
Australia September 23, 2014. – 2014 Endeavour Hills stabbings. Numan Haider, an Afghan Australian stabbed two counter terrorism officers in Melbourne, Australia. He was then shot dead.[44]
Russia October 5, 2014 – 2014 Grozny bombing. 5 officers and the suicide bomber, were killed, while 12 others were wounded.[45]
Canada October 20, 2014 – 2014 Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu ramming attack. Lone attacker used his car to run over two Canadian soldiers. 1 killed, 1 injured
Canada October 22, 2014 – 2014 shootings at Parliament Hill, Ottawa. Lone attacker shot a soldier at a war memorial and attacked Parliament. 1 killed, 3 injured[46]
United States October 23, 2014. – Zale H. Thomson, also known as Zaim Farouq Abdul-Malik, attacked four New York policemen in the subway with a hatchet, severely injuring one in the back of the head and injuring another policeman in the arm before being shot to death by the remaining officers, who also shot a bystander.[47]
Nigeria November 28, 2014. – Kano bombing. Around 120 people were killed and another 260 injured.[48][49][50][51]
Russia December 4, 2014. – 2014 Grozny clashes. 26 total dead, including 14 policemen, 11 Jihadist from Caucasus Emirate, 1 civilian[52]
Australia December 15, 2014. – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis.[disputed – discuss] 2 dead, 4 injured.[53][54][55][56][57][58][59][60]
Pakistan December 16, 2014. – 2014 Peshawar school attack. Over 140 people dead, including at least 132 children.[61]
Yemen December 16, 2014. – Two suicide car bombers rammed their vehicles into a Shiite rebels’ checkpoint killing 26, including 16 students.[62]
Nigeria December 18, 2014. – 2014 Gumsuri kidnappings. Boko Haram insurgents killed 32 people and kidnapped at least 185 women and children.[63]
Syria December 18, 2014. – Mass grave of 230 Tribesmen killed by Islamic State found in Eastern Syria.[64]
France December 20, 2014 – 2014 Joué-lès-Tours attack. A man yelling Allahu Akbar attacked a police office with a knife. He was killed and 3 police officers were injured
France December 21, 2014 – 2014 Dijon attack. A man yelling Allahu Akbar ran over 11 pedestrians with his vehicle. 11 injured
France December 22, 2014 – 2014 Nantes attack. A man driving a white van ran over 11 pedestrians at the city’s Christmas market before unsuccessfully attempting suicide. 1 killed, 10 injured
Nigeria December 22, 2014. – Boko Haram insurgents bombed a bus station in the city of Gombe, killing at least twenty people.[65]
Iraq December, 2014. – Islamic State militants execute 150 women Iraqi province of Al-Anbar, some of whom were pregnant at the time, who refuse to marry their fighters.[66]
Iraq December 24, 2014. – A suicide bomber killed 33 people and wounded 55 others in Madaen, about 25 km (15 miles) south of Baghdad.[67]
Somalia December 25, 2014. – Al-Shabaab (militant group) attack in Mogadishu leaves 9 dead.[68]
Cameroon December 28, 2014. – Boko Haram attacks village in Cameroon leaving 30 dead.[69]
France January 7, 2015. – At least 12 killed in shooting at office of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, Paris [70]
Nigeria January 8, 2015. – 2015 Baga massacre. Boko Haram attacks town of Baga in northern Nigeria killing at least 200 people. Another 2000 are unaccounted for.[71]
France January 9, 2015. – 4 hostages killed in Porte de Vincennes hostage crisis, Paris.

This is, admittedly a cut and past from Wikipedia. It makes a point however.

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77 Answers

Cruiser's avatar

People die under unusual circumstances everyday and can’t you see that many if not all of the perps here are more than likely disadvantage youths who only happen to be Muslims? IMO, if these people who did these nasty things only were hugged more as kids none of this would have happened. And how does this implicate them to be categorized as terrorists let alone Islamic extremists? Are you stereotyping here? What are you exactly implying here? .

1TubeGuru's avatar

Do you have any citation to support your claims in the introduction of your question? is this one of those Obama is bad questions?

dappled_leaves's avatar

That’s fairly easy. They all appear in this Wikipedia article

hud's avatar

@dappled_leaves
That’s OK
Sometimes I don’t read the details either
The last line FYI

dappled_leaves's avatar

@hud You didn’t actually expect anyone to read every word of that.

hud's avatar

@dappled_leaves
No
Unless they decided to get in my shit
Then I would hope they might consider it

Cruiser's avatar

Dang….I just hate it when facts get in the way of opinions and blinded wishful thinking.

janbb's avatar

They can spell?

hud's avatar

@janbb
That’s not the common element.
But nice effort

dappled_leaves's avatar

Dammit, I hate losing a long answer. That makes me crazy.

Well, you’re not going to get any serious answers the way the question is phrased. How about, “Why doesn’t the current administration call [Event X] an Islamist terrorist attack, given that it has called other, similar incidents Islamic terrorist attacks in the past?” In the details, you could list events that were actually commented on by the current administration, unlike the list you provided here.

hud's avatar

@dappled_leaves
Thanks
But instead of you coaching me on how to ask a question, maybe you might ask it yourself.
But you are right about one thing- No serious answers here.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@hud No thanks. It doesn’t really interest me. Since it seems to interest you, I’m surprised you’re not taking me up on it.

Cruiser's avatar

@Josie @hud The only serious answer I can think of is we have a president who was raised as a Muslim, educated as a Muslim and prayed as a Muslim who is determined to not rock the boat he came from. I do not begrudge his nostalgia or affinity to being or once being a Muslim nor for his idealistic desire to solve all the worlds problems including peace in the Middle East….but wearing rose colored glasses and doing everything to ignore the reality of what is behind and driving radical Islamic terrorist attacks is beyond Pollyanic and IMO putting many innocents in grave danger.

dappled_leaves's avatar

Still no serious answers, I see.

hud's avatar

@dappled_leaves
Should I have you screen all my questions before I ask them?
Just to make sure they pass muster?

hud's avatar

It’s good to be back

dappled_leaves's avatar

You want serious answers, but your question is in no way serious. It begs for sarcasm. If you want a serious answer, ask a serious question!

hud's avatar

@dappled_leaves
Thanks again
I’ve been out of country for while
I guess I need a little time to unfuck myself and figure out how the world works
I’ll figure it out eventually

dappled_leaves's avatar

No problemo. Welcome back.

gailcalled's avatar

You did choose to put the question and the following unreadable screed in General, after all. What did you expect?

hud's avatar

@gailcalled
Finally a serious answer
Goodnight

Cruiser's avatar

@gailcalled it looks to me like this Q is in social and subsequent banter is inline with prescribed site protocols

gailcalled's avatar

My mistake. I meant to type “Social.”

hominid's avatar

Do you think that the president of the United States really believes what he is saying when statements like, “ISIL is not Islamic”? Of course not. There isn’t a single member of any intelligence agency that is engaged in work that is driven by such nonsense. However, is it possible that such nonsense makes sense to say if you are the president of the U.S.? It’s possible that it is the most sensible thing to say. I don’t know. We don’t look to politicians to be a source of socioeconomic and religious analysis. They have a completely different job.

funkdaddy's avatar

I think we’ve just come to the point where savvy politicians have learned how the news cycle works. If they want something out there, true or not, they package it up in a nice one liner and repeat it a few times knowing most people will never click the link to hear more.

If they don’t want “Muslim terrorists attack US again” as the headline, you end up with statements worded with extreme caution. For the purpose (I would imagine) of intentionally not lumping all Muslims together as terrorists and piling on what is a real problem for those living the in the US.

Put another way, if your job description was to lead a nation as a whole, you wouldn’t say or imply that Catholics like touching little boys, Southerners are backwards racist rednecks, or that Muslims are more likely to kill Americans than disgruntled white guys.

For what it’s worth, I think disgruntled white guys are still in the lead for terrorist attacks on US soil. We just tend to see them as deranged individual Americans rather than lumping them together as some “other”.

stanleybmanly's avatar

The one thing they all have in common is that they are all fanatics. Sure there are followers of Mohammed running around shooting people, but what of it? I might draw up a list of Christian serial killers in the United States, but I’m too lazy to care. Our crowded world carries an ample supply of angry, frustrated and deranged folks ready to commandeer any excuse to slaughter the rest of us. All in all, the odds of any one of us located in a first world country being victimized by one of these people must be negligible indeed. Here in the states, it’s been a couple of weeks since somebody shot up a school. Perhaps it’s some sort of lull involving cold weather, but who can be bothered with keeping track?

tinyfaery's avatar

What’s Islamism?

Darth_Algar's avatar

They all drank water at some point in their lives. That’s the common thread.

flutherother's avatar

The current administration doesn’t want to link murders with Islam because they have nothing to do with Islam. If you make the link you are holding innocent people responsible because of their religion which is just bigotry. A list of white people with glasses who have killed people is just a list of white people with glasses who have killed people. It doesn’t mean anything.

ragingloli's avatar

They are all religious.
Religion makes it really easy to justify atrocities.
After all, you are talking about the word, decree, and command by the supposed ultimate authority on reality and morality.
It is the will of god, and who are you mortals to disagree with it.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

There is little other explanation. All the attacks mentioned were the result of Islamic extremism. There are interpretations of Islam that promote violence, and they have been attacking the West, non-Muslims, and Muslims from different sects for 1400 years. Fortunately there are other interpretations of Islam which are vastly more popular, but it is foolish to ignore the religious justification for Islamic terrorism.

SquirrelEStuff's avatar

Since war is two sided, and to add some perspective to this question, would you mind posting all the US bombings of Muslim countries and people killed by the US and it’s allies?

Terrorism is all about perspective.
When they attack us, we consider it terrorism, but when we attack them, we call it war.

It has been shown repeatedly, and even stated by most of the terrorists, that they attack us because of us invading and occupying their countries. Notice how the countries that they go after, are all US allies?
We have been bombing and overthrowing governments in the Middle East for longer than I have been alive. Of course that will create enemies.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

@SquirrelEStuff Terrorism refers to a particular style of warfare. Air strikes are definitively not part of the strategy of terrorism. It could be argued that ISIL is not strictly a terrorist organisation, since they employ conventional warfare methods in addition to terrorist tactics. The correct term would be a Non-State Actor.

SquirrelEStuff's avatar

Terrorism- v- : the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal

Terrorism is such a vague term, who are you letting define the word for you?
I could make the argument that the media are the real terrorists. They put way more fear into society for political reasons than any other group I know. Words and ideas can be just as dangerous as guns and bombs.

Of course, we will never admit that our actions over there are to achieve a political goal….
It’s only a matter of time that our drones end up in the hands of the terrorists. Where do you think they get the rest of their weapons from?

ucme's avatar

Derka, Derka.

dabbler's avatar

Common thread:
Somebody(s) sold all those bastards weapons without which we never would have heard of them.

Cruiser's avatar

@dabbler….ISIS does not have to concern themselves with spending any of their hard earned cash….we keep giving weapons to them and delivering it right to their doorstep

SquirrelEStuff's avatar

Reminds me of the old Bill Hicks joke.

Strauss's avatar

Even though this is in the “Social” section, I’m going to take a stab at it!

I think the individuals and groups mentioned in the OP have more in common historically with pre-Christianity and Christianity.

Hebrew conquest of Canaan
All religions in some way promote violence. The Abrahamic religions (Jewish, Muslim and Christian) can see it in their scriptures. The Hebrew conquest of Canaan (said to have happened about 4000 years ago) was extremely violent and involved such things as slaughter of all residents (non-military, families (including children) and forced circumcision of vanquished armies.

Roman Christianity
Starting with Constantine, Christianity triumphed at the level of the state and soon began to use persecutions similar to those in which the early Christians were victim, only now, under the aegis of the Holy Roman Empire, and “to conquer” became synonymous with “to convert”.

The Holy Inquisition
In more (relatively) recent history, we witness the Holy Inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church, which has its greatest illustration (although possibly not the most accurate) in the popular symbolism of the Spanish Inquisition.

“Modern” Christian Extremists
In modern times, we can come up with a similar litany to that of the OP’s, only with extreme Christian organizations and/or factions. Among these would be:Ku Klux Klan; the Christian Patriot Movement; the Christian Identity Movement; Aryan Nation; Aryan Republican Army; the Phineas Priesthood;The Covenant, the Sword and the Arm of the Lord; Hutaree Christian Militia Movement; Anti-balaka Christian militants; National Liberation Front for Tripura (NLFT); National Socialist Council of Nagaland; Sabra and Shatila massacre (perpetrated by Maronite Christian during the 1975–1990 Lebanon Civil War). This is just a short list of groups I can think of right off the top of my head. I don’t have any specific reference materials, but if you are interested, you can find any of these groups in Wikipedia, along with some pretty reliable references.

Jaxk's avatar

I see we have another vote for ‘Christians are the real Threat’. I can help but wonder who is really afraid of those scary assed Christians. I guess when Boko Haram kidnapped those 3 hundred school girls, forced them to convert to Islam, then sold them into slavery, the Boko Haram soldiers must have been scared shitless of those girls. Yes. dear hearts, those girls were the real threat and they must be stopped.

What I find most striking is that it is all Christians that are the problem. I know that because they never use the standard Muslim disclaimer. You know where they start with the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful non violent citizens. They never say that about Christians. I can only assume because most Christians are violent extremists, hell bent on destroying the known world.

If you want to blame Christians for violence at least try to show how Christianity had something to do with violent. I can recall ‘the Son of Sam’ Killer that got his orders from God. Maybe you could get a link from that but Timothy McVeigh, I don’t see it. I did a quick lookup of the Christian Patriot Movement and there is no indication of anyone being killed but rather some rather vague and frivolous lawsuits. I’m hard pressed to draw any equivalence to killing thousands of people. A complete red herring. I didn’t bother looking any further.

Strauss's avatar

@Jaxk Any interpretation that ‘Christians are the real Threat’ is yours. My intent was to show that Christians can also be (but they are not necessarly) violent. As I posted above, All religions in some way promote violence.

ragingloli's avatar

Well, there is the IRA, Kony (who has abducted almost 70000 children to turn them into child soldiers) and Anders Breivik.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@ragingloli

But those aren’t Real Christians™.

rojo's avatar

Christians are not the real threat but neither are Muslims. I think what was trying to be implied is that you cannot blame just one group; there is plenty of culpability to go around.
IMO the real threat comes when you mix religion with extremism with poverty.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Jesus Josie!

Jaxk's avatar

If you look back at the problem in the Catholic Church regarding molestation of children. You could have pointed at other sects or other perverts that had different affinities. and said it’s not the Catholic Church but rather perverts that are the problem. That didn’t happen. Everyone pointed at the Church bvecause there was obviously something going on that the church needed to address.

The same thing is happening with Islam. Something is going on that Islam needs to address. Not all Muslims are the problem just like not all Catholics were the problem but the problem needs to be addressed by the Muslims just like it did with the church. Pointing at everybody else is not a solution and pretending it doesn’t exist is not a solution either.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Jaxk

Everybody pointed at the Catholic Church because the Catholic Church, as an organization, did everything it could to cover that shit up. So yes, the Catholic Church was the problem in that case. Your comparison here fails because you’re comparing one organizational body to an entire religion. In the molestation scandals of the Catholic Church no one pointed at Christianity in general and said “this is a problem Christianity needs to address”, everyone pointed at the organization responsible, the Catholic Church, which covered up the problem on all levels from local parishes all the way up to the Vatican itself.

Jaxk's avatar

There are 1.2 Billion Catholics in the world and about 1.5 billion Muslims. The number of Muslims supporting the killing of Americans comes in somewhere around 50%. I doubt you could find anything to indicate 50% of Catholics supported the molestation of children. It seems that Sunni Muslims spark more violence that Shiites but I can’t confirm that. Either way they both spark a lot of it. If Protestants and Mormons had the same issue, my guess is it would be a Christian issue. Hell the problem can be traced to radical Muslims and if I read this right all religions are getting the blame. It’s time to call a spade a spade.

Darth_Algar's avatar

I’m talking about the Catholic Church as an organization, not everyone who is Catholic. It’s not a hard distinction to understand.

Jaxk's avatar

You said: “everyone pointed at the organization responsible, the Catholic Church”. OK, so why can’t we point at the Organization responsible, Islam? Why is it necessary to include Christians generally when the organization responsible doesn’t include them. Islam has enough organization to hold together 1.5 Billion people.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

What answer are you looking for @hud that they where all radical extremist Muslims ,so to be safe we must ban that religion?

Extremists come in all types, there are extreme fanatical Rep/cons, there are the same Dem/libs maybe we should just ban them as well.
There are fanatics following all sorts of different causes, I admit there does seem to be a lot of extreme muslims, and maybe it is a religion that is easy to get extreme on( I don’t know)right now it seems what the media is focusing on so they blast it at us every night .so again what answer are you looking for?
But because of the extreme ones, lets not pick on the legal peace loving ones that just want to go on with their every day life, OK?

ragingloli's avatar

Islam is not an organisation.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

@Jaxk The Muslim community at least here in Canada has come out and said these extremists are not true Muslims ,and have condemned these extremists actions.
What more do you expect from them?
It’s more than the Catholic church did with the child molesters.

Jaxk's avatar

@ragingloli – It is an organized religion. Just like Catholicism.

ragingloli's avatar

That is like equating catholicism with christianity as a whole.
You can not be that wilfully ignorant. Or maybe you can.
In fact, you probably are. Considering that you have the shamelessness to link to thereligionofpeace.com, which is the equivalent of linking to stormfront.org.
Just as there are different sects among christianity (russian orthodox, catholic, protestant), there are several different sects in islam:
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/muslims-adhere-to-different-islamic-sects.html
In case you have not notices, sunni and shi’ites are killing each other at this very moment, just as in the past the catholics and the protestants had been at each other’s throats.

Jaxk's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 – I understand that you may be incensed that the Church did not respond faster than it did, but it did respond and took control of the problem. It paid billions in restitution and dismissed hundreds of priests.

I don’t expect much more from the Muslims but it is a problem they need to address. The Madrasa schools that teach hate and the Imams that instigate violence need to be shunned and rebuked. We are not talking about the extreme Dems and Repubs you cite that simply argue with each other, we’re talking about world wide murder on an enormous scale.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Islam, as a whole, is not an organization. Neither is Christianity. There may be organizations within those religions (such as the Catholic Church, the United Methodist Church) and so on, but the religions themselves are not organizations. It is fine to hold an organization, such as the Catholic Church, responsible for the actions of that organization. It is not fine to hold the religion as a whole responsibly for the actions of that organization. You’re not really this obtuse are you?

Jaxk's avatar

@ragingloli – Yes I had noticed. The only time they stop fighting each other is when they take up arms to kill westerners. They should have as much incentive as we do to stop the violence but they need to address it internally. They need to address it much the way Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, did in Egypt. Get the Imams to settle down to fix the problem.

Jaxk's avatar

@Darth_Algar – Maybe I am. I’m not ready to accept the enlightened position that nothing can be done or that the best way to address the problem is to blame everybody. The problem is growing and throwing up your hands won’t work. Identification of the problem is the first step. If you can’t get there, there’s not much hope.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Jaxk

If you take “blame everybody” from what I’m saying (in fact, I’m saying quite the opposite) then, yeah, you probably are really that obtuse.

Cruiser's avatar

The one real thing they all have in common is they all were brainwashed into radical Islam like this captured Saudi Isis fighter was. This video interview is pretty interesting and chilling.

Jaxk's avatar

@Darth_Algar – I’m going to try this one more time. There seems to be something in Islam that breeds violent extremism. It doesn’t seem to be confined to any one particular sect but rather more widely accepted. The fact that such a large percentage of Muslims think killing is an acceptable tactic for those they oppose, would indicate there is a cancer that is growing.

I get that you don’t think a religion can be held accountable unless there is a defined org chart but I disagree. There is nothing in the Catholic Church that teaches molestation. Nothing that says it’s OK. Yet it grew within the Church. Something in the way they worshipped or conducted their services, allowed their problem to fester and grow. I can’t see how it was a product of their organization. The organization did try to deny and even cover up the problem for way too long. But they did eventually begin to disassociate with those offenders. Even the congregations began to falter and diminish. We don’t see that in Islam, the worse they get, the more they seem to grow.

If Islam is really peaceful, if the rank and file Muslims really don’t believe in violence, they would disassociate with those violent extremists. That doesn’t seem to be happening. What does seem to be happening is the same thing the Catholic Church did in the beginning. That is to deny they had a problem. And for some reason there seems to be a lot of non Muslims that want to convince us that Islam does not have a problem. Call me obtuse if you want, I see a problem.

funkdaddy's avatar

@Jaxk – respectfully, your source above doesn’t seem to add up and I’m not sure where they got their conclusions. You seem to be basing your views in large part on those statistics and the few I’ve checked, I simply can’t find anything backing the claims in the linked reports.

Here’s one, from the link you posted above – http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm

The statement is

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World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

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The numbers from the linked report are pretty clear.

From the section labeled findings

1. Rejection of Attacks on American Civilians
Large majorities denounce attacks on American civilians, whether in the US or in a Muslim
country, though there has been some softening in the numbers who hold this view strongly. Most reject the argument that such attacks are the only way to get the US to listen to the Islamic people and a growing percentage perceive them as an ineffective method for achieving political ends. As a general principle large majorities reject the use of violent methods such as bombings and assassinations to achieve political goals.

Large majorities in many of the countries polled specifically denounce the use of attacks on American civilians, whether in the US or in a Muslim country. Asked whether they approved, disapproved, or had mixed feelings about attacks on civilians in the United States, 84 percent disapproved of such attacks in Egypt, 73 percent in Indonesia, and 55 percent in Pakistan. Attacks on “US civilians working for US companies in Islamic countries” are also rejected though a by a slightly lower margin: 85 percent of Egyptians disapproved, as did 68 percent of Indonesians and 48 percent of Pakistanis.

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Others don’t seem to hold up to scrutiny either. Can you clarify?

SquirrelEStuff's avatar

Here are quotes from several attackers since, and including 9/11:
French Shooter
“In a recording of what followed, a man the station identifies as Coulibaly holds a dialogue with others—apparently hostages—in which he says he attacked because the French military has attacked Muslims in the Middle East and Mali, including ISIS militants.

“I was born in France. If they didn’t attack other countries, I wouldn’t be here,” a voice says in RTL’s recording.”

Boston Bomber

“He equated the three people who were killed in the marathon bombings and the more than 250 others who were injured to ‘collateral damage’ like the thousands of innocent Muslim victims of American wars across the globe.
‘When you attack one Muslim, you attack all Muslims,’ he reportedly wrote.”

Underwear Bomber
“In quick response to some of the things that have been said, I say my life and the lives of Muslims have also changed due to the attacks on innocent civilians,” he added.”

Shoe Bomber:
“I further admit my allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah. With regards to what you said about killing innocent people, I will say one thing. Your government has killed 2 million children in Iraq. If you want to think about something, against 2 million, I don’t see no comparison.

Your government has sponsored the rape and torture of Muslims in the prisons of Egypt and Turkey and Syria and Jordan with their money and with their weapons. I don’t know, see what I done as being equal to rape and to torture, or to the deaths of the two million children in Iraq.

So, for this reason, I think I ought not apologize for my actions. I am at war with your country. I’m at war with them not for personal reasons but because they have murdered more than, so many children and they have oppressed my religion and they have oppressed people for no reason except that they say we believe in Allah.

This is the only reason that America sponsors Egypt. It’s the only reason they sponsor Turkey. It’s the only reason they back Israel.

As far as the sentence is concerned, it’s in your hand. Only really it is not even in your hand. It’s in Allah’s hand. I put my trust in Allah totally and I know that he will give victory to his religion. And he will give victory to those who believe and he will destroy those who wish to oppress the people because they believe in Allah.

So you can judge and I leave you to judge. And I don’t mind. This is all I have to say. And I bear witness to Muhammad this is Allah’s message.”

Bin Laden’s Letter to America
While seeking Allah’s help, we form our reply based on two questions directed at the Americans:

(Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
Q2)What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Jaxk

The “rank and file” do. The problem is that the media doesn’t give them airtime (since focusing on extremism is more sensational and brings higher ratings) and people like you don’t want to listen.

Jaxk's avatar

@funkdaddy _ All good points. It would seem they combined several categories and I have trouble sorting it out as well. I’ll be happy to use other numbers you may have or I’ll submit these from Wikipedia (scroll down to the polls). It at least gives you a better breakdown and the numbers are smaller. Unfortunately when we’re starting with 1.5 billion dropping down to 30% approve at least some times, still provides a big number.

Anyway, sorry for the distraction but I don’t think the change in numbers changes my point.

Cruiser's avatar

@funkdaddy “Large majorities denounce attacks on American civilians, whether in the US or in a Muslim country”

I have been reading a lot about all this since this question posted and a lot of what I read mirrors that statement but what I also read a lot about is most moderate Muslims will say this publicly but behind closed doors there is a much different and darker dialogue taking place. Consider the fact that the number one source of funding for ISIS is through charities and most are in other countries including America. And these donations are from other Muslims who want to see the US and other westernized countries that have lifestyles that contradict the tenets and doctrines they believe a devote Muslim should follow. But what is more disconcerting is who is donating to these charities and I would bet a lot of money that much of it comes from these moderates who publicly are condemning these atrocities.

Ever since 911 the Muslim community has staged meetings and outreach programs to show to the world just how passive and holy a Muslim lifestyle is and the real goal is to convert as many to Islam as they can. And everytime we launch a drone strike and they score an attack on us it only exacerbates the problem. I read over a 1,000 outsiders a month are beelining it to Syria to be indoctrinated and trained by ISIS.

Thanks to the continued drone strikes by the US and it’s allies, the motivation to form sleeper cells all over the world has never been stronger.

How do we fix this? I am not smart enough to give a clear answer…but my gut approach would be to attempt to stop the supply of funds and gear to ISIS and to somehow better the lives of these young men as most of the converts are jobless pissed off disenfranchised youth who are easily swept up by the glory of giving their life to Allah. How the hell do you stop THAT?

ragingloli's avatar

the majority of so called americans support torture and drone strikes.
considering that the vast majority of so called americans are christian,
it follows that christians, at least american christians, are not much different from muslims that support ISIS & Co.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Where do you get the idea that the majority of Americans support torture?

ragingloli's avatar

this poll from december 2014 for the torture support
and this poll from march 2013 on drone strikes

Dutchess_III's avatar

Well, that sucks.

ragingloli's avatar

I apologise for not including the sources in the first post.

Dutchess_III's avatar

APOLOGY NOT ACCEPTED! To the torture room with you, @ragingloli.

Strauss's avatar

@Dutchess_III what do you and @ragingloli have going on that we don’t know about!

Dutchess_III's avatar

If something is going on between @ragingloli and me, I don’t know about it either. Do you know about it Raggy?

ragingloli's avatar

I will neither confirm nor deny any shenanigans, sexual or platonic, happening between us.

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