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Are Germany and the United States playing good cop/bad cop against Russia on the conflict over Ukraine?

Asked by ibstubro (18804points) February 11th, 2015

Germany as the negotiator while the US sits back and rattles the ‘arm the insurgents’ saber?

Russia seems unimpressed.

Do you think there’s a better chance of Germany negotiating some sort of truce, or of the US beginning arms shipments to insurgents in Ukraine?

[Or should I say, Official arms shipments? I have little doubt the US is aiding the insurgents through 3rd parties.]

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stanleybmanly's avatar

Unlike the US, Germany has the misfortunes of geography to stare in the face. The Germans will face on the ground and quite quickly the consequences of full scale conflict in Ukraine. The rather asinine idea of arming the (legitimate) government of Ukraine reveals its absurdity with the asking of a simple question: Just how much aid is required to provide Ukraine with a chance in hell of defeating Russia?

The United States has thrown more than enough money down the futile world wide toilet of military involvement in my lifetime to solve EVERY social need conceivably confronting this country. It may sound cruel and heartless, but there is no rescuing those regions of the former Soviet Union that Russia deems (correctly in this instance) essential to its vital interests.

geeky_mama's avatar

No, I think that the Obama administration has more of a “hands off” foreign policy approach than prior administrations. (Fewer “hawks” in the cabinet.)
Remember this is the President who vowed to close Guantanamo, who extracted us from Iraq and Afghanistan and is now thoroughly concerned with ISIL.

I think that the current military and Executive branch agreement is to focus the limited budget and resources (after reducing excessive and wasteful military budgets in prior administrations) on the greatest worldwide threat – which at this time is ISIL. ISIL is no Al Qaeda. They are far more savvy, organized and multinational. They’ve even inflamed many Islamic nations by killing Muslim hostages.

We as average citizens are not privy to the detailed information that the US military and the President receive—but it’s simple to see the conflict in Ukraine is seen as less of a concern than ISIL.

Thus, I doubt the US military will “officially” become involved in any way with this essentially internal conflict that has little to no direct impact to the US. It seems like Egypt all over again. There will be “lip service” but no major intervention.

rojo's avatar

I would direct you to historian David Kaisers blog entitled Ukraine, Eastern Europe and history for his perspective on the situation in the Ukraine, its similarity to that of the same regions in the early 20th century and the lack of real interest within the US because of its present preoccupation with other parts of the world..

From the above referenced blog: “The future of the eastern European states, including Ukraine, lies mainly in their own hands. But the western nations can help—above all by doing the other thing the western Europeans failed to do in the 1930s, which is to provide an inspiring example of robust democracy in action.”

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