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Flirting? Making Mountain Out of Molehill? Overreacting?

Asked by LRS1969 (14points) April 23rd, 2015

First of all, should point out that spouse and I have had some degree (usually milder) problems since mid 2000s which broke open into a more major problem in late 2013 which led to me separating for a couple months or so.

My concern here is that if there is some type of flirtatious behavior going on (even if not recognized by my spouse as such or not, or if felt to be “harmless fun”) that I be able to either “nip in the bud” or at least be fully aware of what is happening.

I felt that this would be a proper place to post as what is going on is a form of a date… just not a “date” involving the spouse!

This situation is a mixed league (MF /MF) bowling league that bowls on a weekend night. It involves just one partner (spouse – who was previously paired up not with current bowling partner, but a relative – who has since been replaced by a “sub” who is a close friend of the other male on their team).

I am not only not involved (not asked), but am actively discouraged from going at all.

Particulars:

It is a bowling league environment where everyone else is doing high fives (strikes or difficult spares picked up), or fist bumps (spares not made), that most of the times he, my spouse’s partner, (who started out as a sub and I don’t know at all – nor did she, until now anyway; he’s a close friend of the other male on this MF / MF team) and my spouse instead do this with JUST each other…

One will hold their hand out flat and horizontal with palm up. When the other responds with their hand out flat and palm down, instead of a high five, they slide their fingertips across the other’s palm and fingertips in a single soft stroking movement. It is a modification of the “gimme skin” maneuver that (like high fives, slapping five, fist bumps, etc.,) came from the “dap greeting”.

And that’s whether it’s a high five situation or a fist bump situation. (The gimme skin move – especially as modified – does, I understand, have supposedly flirtatious connotations when done between opposite sexes)

This is what is done by them instead of high fives / fist bumps well over 90% of the time.

And either can / does initiate it.

No high fives or fist bumps hardly ever… just this.

I haven’t really paid much attention before now as there’s only been like 4–5 games to this point (where I have casually stopped by… and yes, done in front of me as it appears to have become so natural), but it’s hit me how consistent it is and has me now wondering if that action is a flirting maneuver (especially as it is only done softly and not “macho” or with exuberance).

And especially with the fact that they DO perform high fives and fist bumps with the other members of the team (and with persons on the team that is being played occasionally) as when appropriate – and never does the “palm stroke” with them!

BTW, I only see any of the other bowlers doing high fives or fist bumps (or occasional double high fives or hugs between obvious “partner couples”). I haven’t seen any others do this “palm / fingertips slide”.

Simply having fun?

Meaningless good time?

Or some degree of flirting (even if at simply some subconscious level)???

My wife as a history of being highly naive and innocent of the activities of others (throughout our relationship there were instances of mistakenly interpreted but clear to any normal person that it was an outright HMU pickup attempt… rhetorically could have had dire consequences – and not exaggerating either: in one instance she approached a guy that she THOUGHT she knew slightly and began super nicely chatting away; not him… a complete stranger – who took her by the elbow and started steering her outside the store suggesting that they “go get a drink”; she was so stunned that all she could think to say – I think she still thought it was the guy she / we slightly know – was “well, we should ask my husband first”, as I was walking around corner of nearby aisle just then – thankfully as they were about 15’ from store exit… and the guy released her and literally took off running out the store and completely through the parking lot – obviously didn’t want me to see the car he got into… I could relate numerous similar incidents from over the years).

Anyway, while it “is” possible that this is being done mutually and with eyes wide open, it is just as possible that this sweetly modified gimme skin (and chatting, etcetera) move was started by him and she just went along with it, not grasping its significance or that he was doing it just with her and that other bowlers do not use that gesture.

But… am I making a mountain out of a molehill?

Or indeed a form of flirting?

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16 Answers

janbb's avatar

Ask her what she thinks it is in a non-comfrontational way. It sounds fairly harmless to me but I’m not the one in the situation.

anniereborn's avatar

This sounds like a molehill to me. If there is a mountain, it is underneath that. But of course all I know is what you have said here and am not privy to the psychology of anyone involved. I do believe talking to your spouse about it is the best way. Approach it as casually as you can.

Uasal's avatar

So, tl;dr is that your wife’s secret handshake with her bowling partner makes you nervous?

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Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

Why are you bothering to ask people for their opinion if you’re then going to follow up by insulting them for providing it?

I’ve read your post and I don’t think your wife being friendly with this person and sharing ‘in jokes/handshakes’ with them is a problem. As to your wife being naive and not noticing when someone tries to hit on her, perhaps that’s because she’s so into you she doesn’t notice other guys in a romantic way. And if she’s not noticing them or their attempts to pick her up, they’re no threat to you.

Frankly, I find the way you described your wife’s ability to read situations patronising. I find your insecurity about her friendship with her bowling partner to be just that, your insecurity.

Pandora's avatar

Ok. Let’s say it was flirting on his behalf. The fact that it hasn’t moved onto a hug or something more personal says that he’s just flirting for the fun of it. Not everybody who flirts actually believes that the feeling is mutual. It doesn’t sound like your wife has encouraged him or it would’ve gone beyond a hand shake thing. Good friends can have a special hand shake and it not mean they are flirting.

After reading your response however, I think there is a question you should ask yourself. Why do you really want to find her guilty of more? Is it a guilty conscious, or are you just jealous that your lack of skill puts you on the benches, or do you just hate to see your wife having fun and having someone else make her feel appreciated, or are you simply looking for a reason to end your marriage.

You have not indicated anything above (and I read the whole thing)to show that she has done anything more than this hand shake.
You have indicated however that you have no real trust nor do you really value your wife. It won’t be another guy that will come in between you two. Your jealousy, and lack of trust is what will drive her away. Then another guy may step in after you shoved her over the edge.

I agree with @Earthbound_Misfit . Don’t ask people for their opinion if you wish to be insulting them. I’m usually cool headed about things like this. You probably feel hurt because you are letting your insecurities get the better of you. But, really that is no real excuse for insulting people here. Most of us really try to help each other. Belittling people who are trying to help you out is not productive.

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Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

One her part I see it as nothing, you see it as something because for some reason it threatens you. If you are all she heeds why would she give up gold to have pot metal?

Dang, I missed all the love again.

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