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If hoodlums, thugs, criminals, or whatever you wish to call them, did not know which clerk was armed and which ones were not, they would seriously think twice before attempting a robbery?

Asked by Hypocrisy_Central (26481points) May 2nd, 2015

If the garden variety, hoodlum, douche bag, chump, thug, criminal, or whatever had no idea that the place they were about to try and rob had a clerk that was armed, do you think they would be so brazen or cocky? It is one thing when you know you won’t be running for your life or ducking fire to keep some clerk from stove topping your head and another thing all together to know there is a good plausibility you may end up in the ER, if not the morgue trying to do a robbery. In all honesty, can you say robberies would not drop like a rotted out tree in a wind storm once word got out on the street that would be robbers got blasted trying to pull a heist?

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SmashTheState's avatar

I notice you left “nigger” off your list, which is really what this question is about. Black people finally standing up for themselves in the face of systematic oppression really has you people’s panties in a twist, doesn’t it? No, Hypocrisy, I don’t think it matters how many guns the money men and their pet police have. You can push people only so far and then the risk they face by picking up a gun becomes smaller than what they face by not doing so.

“You can have power over people as long as you don’t take everything away from them. But when you’ve robbed a man of everything, he’s no longer in your power.”Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Buttonstc's avatar

You’re making the assumption that the armed clerks would be well trained in how and when to use the firearm and (most importantly) when not to.

Without that, you’ve just got the wild wild west all over again.

You’re also making the assumption that robbers are carefully thinking out their course of action ahead of time.

That’s hardly the case. You don’t find too many robbers with a Mensa card in their pocket. Many of these desperate type robberies are drug-motivated. Drug users are not reknowned for their forethought. These guys are hardly deep thinkers. Usually it’s a case of “Im out of drugs; no money = rob a 7–11. Easy cash.” that’s usually the extent of their thinking.

Risk factors rarely enter into the equation for them.

Arming convenience store clerks will far more likely have the effect of more and more dead or injured on BOTH sides of the counter (UNTRAINED gun owners stand an equal risk of having their weapon taken away amd used upon them instead). Then youve got a plethora of lawsuits flying right and left from those fortunate enough to survive the encounters. Not exactly an inexpensive proposition for the average innocent clerk.

Just ask Bernie Getz for his thoughts on the issue. For any too young to remember him, Google it.

zenvelo's avatar

So the would-be thieves just enter the store blasting away and take any concern about armed clerks off the table.

And convenience stores see some kid swiping a KitKat Bar and start blasting him away.

Stupid idea.

whitenoise's avatar

More guns… more violence… more deaths.

Seems easy enough to realize that, for most modern countries.

Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One's avatar

The volume of guns is only directly proportional to crime in an environment that is already in distress. Blaming guns is short-sighted.

I grew up in a town where everyone had a gun. There was no violent crime. There weren’t even cops because there just wasn’t a need. Of course it was a small town.

I’m not suggesting that more guns = less crime.. just that the environment was one that didn’t foster such desperation.

Instead of so viciously attacking guns, gun laws, etc – it seems that it would be more prudent to examine why people are using them like fools.

ragingloli's avatar

With the unparalleled proliferation of firearms in your 3rd world “country”, that situation is already the case. Has that made a dent in robberies? No, it has not.

cheebdragon's avatar

How many people have tried to rob a police station? They have more money and drugs on site than you could get from robbing a convenience store or bank

whitenoise's avatar

Yeah yeah
@Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_one

And guns don’t kill people.

To quote Eddy Izzard:
‘They sure help, don’t they?’

Heard it all…

Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One's avatar

@whitenoise
Guns actually don’t kill people. They don’t even seem to be the least bit sentient.

You strike me as someone that would blame a car if you got run over.

janbb's avatar

@SmashTheState FYI, @Hypocrisy_Central is black. Check your assumptions once in a while, maybe?

johnpowell's avatar

What is lost in a robbery? Most places drop into the safe constantly. Shit, it takes them two minutes to break a twenty at the Plaid Pantry. Who gives a shit if someone makes off with a case of beer or some minimal amount of cash?

Shit, I was talking with my roommate a few months ago about this. He was a cashier at the Plaid Pantry and they had a pretty strict policy about this. Don’t bother to call the cops if the loss is under 50 bucks if there was no threat of physical harm. (beer run, he said it would happen 10+ times a shift). You fill out a quick form and nobody cares. That is why his friends always robbed him.

And if you left the store to chase someone that stole you were pretty much instantly fired. There is a good reason for these policies and it is called insurance premiums. You would be so fucked if you thought someone was going to rob you and shot them while they were reaching for their wallet. Like 5 million fucked.

SmashTheState's avatar

@janbb You say that like it’s not possible for someone who is black to be racist. When you live in a culture of institutional racism, everyone absorbs racist attitudes by osmosis through the skin whether they’re aware of it or not. Self-hatred among persecuted minorities is the norm rather than the exception.

Berserker's avatar

I was under the impression that most robbers probably are not aware which store clerk has a gun and which doesn’t. Not sure it would change very much. Then again I live in Canada where there are nowhere near as many firearms used by everyday people, as opposed to the United States. How many store clerks in the States do carry guns? I’m actually pretty curious about that.

Dutchess_III's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central is black?

I don’t think it would make a difference. In the inner cities I think most clerks keep guns behind the counter and they get robbed anyway. People get shot.

flutherother's avatar

Nervous robbers would be more likely to shoot to kill. For the sake of a few dollars it just isn’t worth it. Better if no clerks are armed and the robbers are shot by CCTV then the police can deal with it.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@Buttonstc You’re making the assumption that the armed clerks would be well trained in how and when to use the firearm and (most importantly) when not to.
Are you not making the assumption that they would not know how to use them or they would not learn if they didn’t? That is neither here nor there, because the would-be robber would have no clue how good of a shot the clerk is, only that they can shoot back.

That’s hardly the case. You don’t find too many robbers with a Mensa card in their pocket.
These guys are hardly deep thinkers.
Usually it’s a case of “Im out of drugs; no money = rob a 7–11. Easy cash.”
First I am quite confident that over my lifetime I have met more robbers and dealers than you have. You are right, they are not deep thinkers, which is why they are not going to sit there and decipher if the person can shoot straight. They are not as dumb as a bag or rocks, either. If they know a liquor store is armed and the 7–11 isn’t, yeah, they hit the 7–11. Why do you think they don’t carjack a Guardia or Brinks transport van? They have 10 times the money the 7–11 has. Here is a thought, those boys on the armored transport are armed to the teeth. Let me ask you this, if tomorrow All the armored transports ditched their weapons the street thugs learned of it, do you still think they would be as safe from carjacking as they are right now, be honest, people are watching.

@zenvelo And convenience stores see some kid swiping a KitKat Bar and start blasting him away.
Stupid idea.
Yeah, to believe clerks are that scary and reactionary is pretty stupid thing to think.

@cheebdragon How many people have tried to rob a police station? They have more money and drugs on site than you could get from robbing a convenience store or bank
I guess because they are not MENSA card members, not because with all those drugs and money are many, many rifles and pistols making sure they don’t walk out the back door.

@janbb @SmashTheState FYI, @Hypocrisy_Central is black. Check your assumptions once in a while, maybe?
That was flagable, but I could not figure if it was an ignorant moment, or he was trying to be sarcastic. It does illustrate how people can see a set of facts and run wild with it. One sees a clip of a Blank man with a record who tried to rob and shoots a white clerk and automatically it is a race thing, and people will quickly digress to that. I am sure they would have something to say oif it was some white skinhead that tried to rob and shot some Middle Eastern dude. The media race bait every time they get a chance they are just sly on how they do it because they know it sells papers and gets butts in the seats tuning in.

@johnpowell You fill out a quick form and nobody cares. That is why his friends always robbed him.
If ever a time came that they wanted a raise in pay and can’t get it, that the fact that $300—$800 dollars in beer, chips, batteries and whatever else has been strategically ignored as walked right out the front door unpaid for.

There is a good reason for these policies and it is called insurance premiums. You would be so fucked if you thought someone was going to rob you and shot them while they were reaching for their wallet. Like 5 million fucked.
That is what security cameras are for. If a clerk blasted some guy because he said ”This is a f****** robbery, break yourself and empty the cash register”, then reached into his pocket or jacket and the clerk popped him with a few slugs, if any lawyer had the audacity to sue and some judge crazy enough not to kick the case, I can’t see a jury stupid enough to award any money on it, OK, maybe one in 50,000, and those are odds I could live with.

@Dutchess_III @Hypocrisy_Central is black?
Boy did that make my day. My side is almost sore from the laughing. I can imagine you hearing that at a luncheon, cup in hand, coffee spraying from your lips while your eyes are as large as manhole covers while you say that; more funny than that skit of the ”Last f******* day”. Thanks for the gut splitter. :-)

Dutchess_III's avatar

:D I’m so glad you found it funny! It was, actually, meant to get a grin, at least. ;)

Dutchess_III's avatar

^^^^Whoever put that sign up, if it’s even real, is an asshole.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

Gunmen tried to bushwhack cartoon event.

A traffic officer working after-hours as security for the event and armed only with a service pistol killed both men, who were wearing body armor and carrying assault rifles, Garland Police Department spokesman Joe Harn told reporters Monday.

“He did what he was trained to do, and under the fire that he was put under, he did a very good job. And probably saved lives,” Harn said of the unidentified officer. “We think their strategy was to get into the event center, and they were not able to get past our perimeter that we had set up.”

An unarmed security officer working with the patrol officer was shot in the ankle, police said. None of the approximately 200 people attending the event was hurt.

Imagine that? The person with the gun saves lives, the unarmed guy just ends up a victim headed for the ER. Let people here tell it they would rather deal with the unarmed security guard, I sup;pose they figure he wpould get close to use his pepper spray or a well-placed judo chop.

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