What is so wrong about gay marriage?

Not a damn thing.

Nothing.

Nothing at all so long as society and the bible thumpers can accept sodomy as part of the deal.

Well, a guys hairy ass really doesn’t do much for me, but a woman’s figure is more like artwork. But to each his or her own. Who am I to judge anyone.

You lose no rights. Others gain them.
That is the great thing about rights, they can be shared without lessening them for those who have them already.

What’s so funny ‘bout peace, love and understanding?

Nothing if this, this, and this
marriage has nothing wrong with them.

@jca Well there’s tolerance, acceptance, consideration, and freedom. I guess all of those suck for some ignorant peeps.

What’s wrong? It’s the fact that some people still think it’s wrong.

Well there’s short Vietnamese people? Do we tolerate them? Same idea. They’re different but they have so much to offer.

Gothcha lady.

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Nothing, and I am so ashamed of the idiotic Abbott Government right now. Dinosaurs.

There is nothing wrong with same-sex marriage and we won’t lose any rights. Giving others equal rights does not diminish our own rights.

As to that ad, it won’t affect sex education in schools. It won’t affect anyone’s rights apart from allowing people of the same sex to marry.

@Hypocrisy_Central

If that reasoning is correct, then the same can be said about the marriage between man and woman.

^ If that reasoning is correct, then the same can be said about the marriage between man and woman.
No, it doesn’t.

I don’t find that clip offensive. There ARE implications to the elimination of the suppression of gay people in our societies. The problem with the add and its supporters is that there is no longer any defense of the notion that those implications are bad. That horse has left the barn. Resistance to full inclusion of gay people in the roster of the civil rights granted the rest of us is melting faster than the polar caps, and no add regardless of how skilfully crafted is going to retard that one bit. The add like the resistance itself is a tragic and pointless waste of time.

@Hypocrisy_Central
It is funny, really, because both polygamy and child marriage are endorsed by your so called religion, and according to your “holy” book, the world was populated by incest. Twice.

@ragingloli Might want to recheck that, since it’s wrong.

The Bible calls the homosexual act an abomination, but I think that is meant for people at that time. Having homosexual marriage is like putting God’s blessing on a sin, according to some.
It’s hard to believe that my God, who loves the world, would cast away parts of His creation for this. I don’t know, though. I don’t pretend to understand the mind of God.

@ragingloli It is funny, really, because both polygamy and child marriage are endorsed by your so called religion, and according to your “holy” book, the world was populated by incest. Twice.
If you now the Word so well, why don’t you be a good example and follow all of the parts you conveniently are leaving out, otherwise the argument you are trying to make has no legs to stand on; let’s leave it at that, and this thread on course.

@filmfann It’s hard to believe that my God, who loves the world, would cast away parts of His creation for this.
He didn’t, it is a byproduct of man’s own willful disobedience, wanting to be his own god, and he got what he got because that is how well any self-god with no power will end up.

Anyhow, back to the question at hand.

Nothing is wrong with it.

Why does everyone jump to the sex part of marriage? What about love, partnership, companionship, parenting, and friendship? Marriage can be many things.

@Hypocrisy_Central why anyone compares marrying a child to two consenting adults willfully marrying each other is beyond me.

@Adirondackwannabe Sounds like we should all be marrying women.

@JLeslie Laughs, but you’re going to lower guys chances of success by half at least.

@Hypocrisy_Central

I imagine that you quite believe yourself to be the only “true” Christian there is. You’re always quick to dismiss anyone who’s Christian beliefs don’t exactly align with yours (which is pretty much everyone). You might want to pause and consider your own pride and arrogance for a moment. Learn a little humility maybe.

@filmfann, what part do you think @ragingloli was wrong about? The incest part? If you believe the Bible literally, and if you actually believe in the Great Flood, then what he said was spot on.

Nothing wrong with it. I think men have a harder time with it than women because of the sexual aspects of it, which they have to imagine.

Gay marriage has been around for over a decade (in other countries) and I can’t think of anything that has gone wrong. Those places still exist. No plagues. No angels raping virgins. Society hasn’t crumbled. There aren’t any drawbacks to letting two people who love each other get married.

Barely over a decade. I think the first country was in 2001 and there are only about 20 countries that have gay marriage. It’s happening quite quickly that countries are falling in line and making it legal (thank goodness) now that it finally has started to become legal.

Nothing is wrong with it and you will lose no rights, as so many people have already said.

That depends.

Are we talking about the gay part or the marriage part?

There is nothing wrong with same sex marriages. It is a partnership entered by two people who love each other and want to make their partnership official in whatever path they choose to take. This is no different than heterosexual marriages.

What is wrong is when people use their religious beliefs to defy it.

@JLeslie [.. why anyone compares marrying a child to two consenting adults willfully marrying each other is beyond me.
You miss the whole point because you are looking through a filter comfortable to you. What you feel is a child might not be where others are. In some parts of the world they may trust biology more than ideology. As to when a human is truly an adult, be it a very fledging one and when they are not is determined how, by biology or ideology? Ideology is based on like and perception that defies biology, one tried to have it both ways in many societies but biology is what it is and it cares not how people want to see something. Someone marrying someone 14–16 you say child. That person can be a mother so others might say very young adult. Are you more correct than they?

@Darth_Algar I imagine that you quite believe yourself to be the only “true” Christian there is.
There are at least two more, there might be more than that but don’t dare admit it less they be raked over the coals.

You’re always quick to dismiss anyone who’s Christian beliefs don’t exactly align with yours (which is pretty much everyone).
I am quick to ignore someone who is not using the Bible correctly, because there is where my belief comes from, it is not anything I am making up, it is scripture. I also tend to ignore, as much as possible those who do not believe in the Bible but yet trying to twist it to justify their actions; if you are going to play football you use all of the rules, not just half of them, or those you like.

Anyhow….back to the question at hand.

@Hypocrisy_Central
How can one not believe in the bible? That would just be silly. I do… I even have four different versions here in the house…

You are talking about interpretations of the bible.

Anyone thinking they have exclusive access to knowledge that allows them to deem their biblical interpretation as the only true one is overreaching. That is why some – at least why I – think that staunch believers are displaying a lot of hubris dismissing other people’s interpretations, including the interpretation by @ragingloli.

@whitenoise GA!

@whitenoise [..think that staunch believers are displaying a lot of hubris dismissing other people’s interpretations, including the interpretation by @ragingloli.
The hubris comes when on believes the Bible is what one makes of it to suit one’s personal preference. Sure, there are different translations but if they did their homework it would line up with the Greek or Hebrew. I can say ”Those cats in that hoopty over there is mugging me, and if they don’t stop I will bust a cap in them” If someone who had the meaning to each words tries to say that ”those people in the elegant auto are praising us and want to buy us a fat steak, so I will shake their hand” it is they who perceived what the translation said who would be incorrect. If they follow what the original text said, then they won’t be off. You can’t use part of it apart from the rest, and out of context. If I flagged you in football for having an illegal receiver but never told you what a legal receiver was, or who they were, you could never produce a legal receiver unless you found out by trial and error.

Anyone thinking they have exclusive access to knowledge that allows them to deem their biblical interpretation as the only true one is overreaching.
We have more resources now than ever before, there is access to what the Greek and Hebrew and the intent of the word when it was written. One thing about the ancient Greek is it was very precise, the translators of old did the best they could with what they had, we today, have more than them. You don’t have to be a scholar you can simply go back to the Greek and Hebrew.

But it sounds good to say no on has enough knowledge so choose what feels good to you and run with it.

@Hypocrisy_Central We are more scientifically advanced than 5,000 years ago. We now know the brain is still developing at a fast rate well into our early 20’s and the last part to fully develop is our ability to understand consequences. In modern society today people have many many more choices for career paths, where to live, the list goes on and on. Girls might be menstruating at age 14, but if they become pregnant they are more likely to have complications than a 22 year old.

A 16 year old girl 5,000 years ago, or 2,000 for your book, was pretty much destined to be a mother without significant career choice and both men and women needed very little education to see their way in the world. Life is different now, so you have to balance the tenets of your religion with the reality of society today. A girl marrying at age 14, when in a religion that has no allowance for divorce, is basically enslaving her. We have juvenile courts because we understand children make mistakes, are influenced easily, and don’t understand consequences.

Some girls are “biologically” ready to conceive a baby at the age of 10. I think most hit around 13 or 14. Why did evolution do this to bodies who really aren’t ready for the stress of childbirth? Probably because, historically, the life expectancy was only about 30 – 40 years old. Almost not long enough to raise more than one child.
Nature doesn’t care. As long as one female body produces enough to replace her and at least one other person, preferably replace 2 other people, nature doesn’t care if the female dies.
As humans, we do try to rise above our base instincts that could suggest that we don’t care either.
At least, outside of the Bible we do. In the Bible it suggests we sacrifice our daughters to be raped by mobs to protect the rest of the people.

Human society should be formed after the Australian redback spider.
There, the male is killed and eaten by the female directly after the sex act.

@Dutchess_III

I just want to interject something – the old average human life span of 30–40 is a flawed stat to cite. It is heavily skewed by the high rate of juvenile mortality (much as we see in other species, juveniles being the most vulnerable members of a given species). In fact, if you survived into adulthood you actually had a pretty reasonable chance (barring accident or things like warfare) of living into old age. It’s a classic example of how statistics can give the wrong impression.

@JLeslie We are more scientifically advanced than 5,000 years ago. We now know the brain is still developing at a fast rate well into our early 20’s and the last part to fully develop is our ability to understand consequences
That jumps right back into the boat of ideology. With all science knows they still do not know what 100% brain capacity is. The scuttlebutt that we only use 10% is not accurate, you can’t be sure how much of our brains we use until you find someone who actually has used 100% and it can be substantiated that they used up to their capacity and could use no more. Merely being more technical has no effect on how nature develops humans less small ways like more allergies, slight differences in height due to chemicals laced all through or foods, etc.

In modern society today people have many many more choices for career paths, where to live, the list goes on and on.
Again, what choices a person has or doesn’t, is notwithstanding, because a person is in stuck growing up in some 3rd world or indigenous society without running water and iPod at the ready doesn’t mean they will grow or mature at a lesser rate than those who have them. Choices, opportunity, etc. is all ideology, how people choose to view them.

A 16 year old girl 5,000 years ago, or 2,000 for your book, was pretty much destined to be a mother without significant career choice and both men and women needed very little education to see their way in the world. Life is different now, so you have to balance the tenets of your religion with the reality of society today.
All women are predestined to be a mother; that is why they are born with the equipment to bear children. But just because they have them not all women take the calling. The world was less technical and specialized, and one could get by more off physical work and attributes, that still had nothing to do with their biological maturity, or how they aged in general.

A girl marrying at age 14, when in a religion that has no allowance for divorce, is basically enslaving her.
Another ideology, that she will be enslaved stuck in a marriage if she chose badly or things in the union changed. That has nothing to do with nature or biology. The man or guy is stuck in the same situation. He is stuck supporting a wife he doesn’t love and certainly isn’t being intimate with. The ideal of whom or who isn’t enslaved disadvantaged etc. is all perception, rooted in ideology.

We have juvenile courts because we understand children make mistakes, are influenced easily, and don’t understand consequences.
One of the biggest jokes of society because the bar gets slid up down, left or right depending on how adults want to apply it. They make the rules but when playing by the rules someone seems to literally get away with murder then the adults want to tweak the rules. Imagine a football game where pass interference was negotiable depending on the popularity of the offending player or the distain for the receiver being impeded.

@Dutchess_III Why did evolution do this to bodies who really aren’t ready for the stress of childbirth?
Maybe the problem is not with biology but with people, that is almost like asking why did nature give people 300lb bodies.

Nature doesn’t care. As long as one female body produces enough to replace her and at least one other person, preferably replace 2 other people, nature doesn’t care if the female dies.
It doesn’t care if the woman has twins or triplets while another for some reason is sterile, never to have kids. It doesn’t care if the baby dies due to accident, or disease, it literally just does what it does and let happenstance come as it will. To cry it is unfair and such, comes back to ideology; perception of man.

But, that is another story, back to this question.

@Hypocrisy_Central Forget science and society, what do you think about 14 year olds where you live? Are they mature enough to make the life choice of parenthood and marriage competently? I’m not talking about the far reaches of some tribe in some jungle, or what scientists might say about brain development or reproductive development. I’m just asking your opinion from your observations, your own experience having been 14, and your own judgment.

Nature doesn’t give people 300 pound bodies. People give themselves 300 pound bodies.

I didn’t say it was “unfair,” and I wasn’t anthropomorphizing nature. I didn’t mean nature literally doesn’t care, as though nature actually has some consciousness. We have evolved so that we reproduce at such a rate as to replace the two parents and one or two more (or more) and in that way it works. If some people die along the way, that’s fine. They’ve been replaced by two others.

Forget science and society, what do you think about 14 year olds where you live?
From my own ideology, as there would be no way to place every 14 year old in the situation to see how they would do, I say they have slightly higher percent than those above 18 who though legal to marry are still not mature enough to fully grasp what commitment they are making. Certainly others will have a different ideology on the subject.

I found this little clip the other week, and it gives us a good insight into some of the struggles, however in reverse, it has provided it to us in the form of ‘Gay is normal, straight is not’. It helped me understand some aspects a little bit better.
It is a very moving short and I think you should watch it.

short as in short film