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What do you think about this response to a Muslim student?

Asked by JLeslie (65412points) November 19th, 2015 from iPhone

It’s a short video regarding the majority of Muslims being peaceful.

It’s obvious the forum is politically biased to the right, and some of the numbers thrown around are a little inaccurate, but I’m most interested in the main point the person responding to the student makes about the good people being irrelevant.

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filmfann's avatar

When she says that no one has mentioned Muslims, just Islam, I wondered if she understood there isn’t a difference.

JLeslie's avatar

I missed her saying that. I thought she said no one mentioned Muslims.

Cruiser's avatar

I have to say I do agree with her point she makes about these “good Muslims” doing little to nothing to vocalize their abhorrence to the atrocities of the Islamic extremists/terrorists. IMO it is a voice of reason that is glaringly absent in the media. Brigitte Gabriel is not Muslim but she and her family has the shrapnel wounds to show how merciless the Islamic militias were that were hell bent on killing all Christians in her homeland of Lebanon. The Israelis saved her and her family from certain death and I am sure this experience has given rise to her passion on this matter of why she thinks the good people are irrelevant if they remain silent about Islamic extremists.

flutherother's avatar

I wish she had attempted to answer the girl’s question. ‘A great question ‘she says ‘I’m so glad you brought that up’ and then she proceeds to ignore what she said. That the peaceful majority is irrelevant is what extremists like dictators and terrorists think and cannot be true if we believe in democracy or even in humanity.

JLeslie's avatar

@Cruiser Wasn’t she trying to say even if Muslims speak up it won’t be enough? The lunatics will still do their evil.

Jaxk's avatar

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” This quote has been battered about for a long time but is quite appropriate. It really doesn’t matter whether the radicals are 10%, 20% or 50% of the total, if the ‘Good’ Muslims say nothing, they cede their voice to the radicals. If they do nothing, they cede their actions to the radicals. There is no neutral ground in this war against radicalism. Silence and inaction is taking a stand. It is a stand that allows radicals free reign over Islam. I think she makes an excellent point. It is not enough to say the majority of Islam is peaceful.

Cruiser's avatar

@JLeslie I did not pick up on that suggestion…she made her point by saying though she was glad this Muslim student stood up and posed her question, she highlighted that despite the 1.something billion Muslims in the world…there was just one of her there and where are the rest of her fellow “good people” publicly denouncing the Islamic extremists?

thorninmud's avatar

I can’t believe that there is still this “Why aren’t the ‘good’ muslims speaking out?” meme making the rounds. Maybe the question should be, “Why is it that so many are deaf to the good Muslims speaking out?”

JLeslie's avatar

@Cruiser They are speaking out.

Cruiser's avatar

@JLeslie Apparently this Brigitte Gabriel doesn’t think they are speaking out enough.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Right off the bat that claim of 15–25% of Muslims being radical fundamentalists should red flag Gabriel’s credibility. The range all by itself puts this particular statement solidly in the realm of pure speculation. If our fight is going to be against 15–25% of a 1.4 billion strong population, we might as well just roll over and die now. It’s absurd to pretend or even guess that 15–25% of Muslims approve of what happened in Paris. That other thing she did, building her case that “good people are irrelevant” was to drag out the usual suspects, Hitler and Stalin. She missed the real commonality the 2 superstars have with ISIS, as well as the thing rendering “good people irrelevant”. All three are the end result of misery, turmoil and disorder.

longgone's avatar

Wow. What a condescending, illogical and dangerous response.

The student’s question got ignored completely. It was, ”How can we fight an ideological war with weapons?

It’s a good question. Every single bomb the Western world throws will kill terrorists, but it will also create new ones. Bombs do not discriminate. We’re murdering civilians, and those who then miss their loved ones may well question where their loyalties should lie. They are not comfortably discussing ISIS on the internet. They are surrounded by people who will kill them without batting an eye.

Gabriel did not address this issue, she just attacked the student’s reminder that Muslims are being terrorized, too. I’m not sure why she felt the need to so so, because in her speech, she did not argue against that claim.

Her main point was, “Yes, I know, but terrorists are dangerous.” That’s not news, and you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who disagrees.

She then went on to ask where the other Muslims speaking out against ISIS are. They are everywhere. They’re twittering, active on Facebook, organizing walks in response to what happened in Paris. Open your eyes.

To wrap it up, she shamed the girl for taking thirty seconds to defend a religion that is being attacked all over the world, instead of recognizing that it’s a point worth making. Every day, for much longer than thirty seconds. Because if we don’t, we are not only hurting people, we are also again putting up barriers between religions. We have enough of those.

JLeslie's avatar

I’m not sure what month and year the video is from. It was about Benghazi, but still relevant to the terrorism that continues today.

@longgone I guess she believes there is no reasoning with these people, or doesn’t want to bother to try.

The stats she gave, 15–25% of Muslims are radicalized? I really question that. How are they defining radicalized? The same a how many Germans were Nazis? I worry they are including people who are just very religious, maybe even sympathetic to seeing the western world as an enemy, but also would never actually commit violence themselves. I might be idealistic.

@stanleybmanly I agree that it is remiss not to mention we need to figure out underlying causes.

Cruiser's avatar

@JLeslie if you list all the radicalized Muslim extremist groups that number of 15–25% almost seems real….ISIS/ISIL, Al Qaeda, Taliban, Muslim Brotherhood, The Libyan Muslim Brotherhood (LMB), National Front for Salvation of Libya (NFSL), Islamic Rally Movement (IRM), and Libyan Islamic Movement for Change (LIMC), Salafist Ansar al-Sharia, the Jabhat al-Nusra in Syria, or Ansar Dine in Mali, the AaS….not to mention the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) affiliate in neighboring Pakistan; al-Qaeda and its various affiliates; ISIS and its al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) precursor; and Boko Haram in Nigeria….this is only a partial list of Muslim terrorist organizations hell-bent on eliminating Jews and the West is seemingly endless and plentiful.

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