Can the West stage a successful military war against ISIL, ISIS, Islamic State, Daesh [Link]?

So it isn’t that ISIS can’t be toppled, it’s that there will always be fanatics ready to fill
a vacuum. So the choice boils down to either brutal sadistic fanatics eager to globalize their brand of stupid superstition and terrorize Western non believers: or a brutal sadistic strong man with no Jihadist fantasies of spreading Islam and a desire to avoid military confrontation with the West. There are NO other realistic choices which is why
Putin is correct in backing Assad.

Though the magnitude of the mistake in invading Iraq is no longer worthy of dispute, the West still clings to the fantasy of representative government and flowering of the Arab Spring. It ain’t gonna happen!

No, military action will only kill people. You can kill people but not ideology, misguided and evil as it may be.

Military wars bother me, but I’m not sure what to think about non-military wars.

I doubt that the so-called ‘boots on the ground’ strategy will work, at least effectively. Take Viet Nam – the US left because it couldn’t defeat an insurgency. And in 40 years, we still don’t have a magic button to address that.

I don’t know what the answer is, long term, but sending 20-year olds to die doesn’t seem to be the right approach.

I believe there will be no victory for the West without military involvement. I challenge anyone to walk the reader though the steps of how that possibly would work; peacefully bargaining with a military death cult.

Yes, under the right circumstances. Like not fighting the war from the White House, like Johnson did with Viet Nam. It might take some covert, special forces work, but it can be done. And it must be done! The military recently got smart by substituting a dozen A-10 Thunderbolt II’s for several F-16 Fighting Falcons. A right move in the right direction!

Ok, question then. These extremists are aching to get all troops over so that at the designated site, total erradication will occur they have drawn the world there to them. They will have conquered the world for their twisted perception of Allah and offer all up as sacrifice.

( By the way, did you hear what the latest promise is to a suicide bomber? They get their virgins- only some are promised ‘white’ ones if their kill level is of a larger amount when they detonate. I’m trying to find a third source that reports that before I totally believe.)

…Which I hope some connect Total with total annihilation, which something that huge means one thing on how…I truly believe nuclear power is an obtainable option for them.
The fight and the weaponry now, are not as in previous wars.
I am truly having trouble understanding why the US should send troops back into such situations that they’ll never overcome. Their mindset on warfare et .al. even smacks of the – it’s great to die- I get Sex! I don’t understand if it looks like a lemmings situation for our troops.

I am honestly truly puzzled as to why troops going in to this would benefit. You don’t see the Russian troops- nor any other nations. Why should we send more to die? They can be a gazillion miles away to detonate crap- as we are with the drones-, but after banging our heads so hard, and for so long now, for how much longer do we need to die over there? I don’t understand the reasoning.
Not out to fight, nor prove anything, I just need to understand the option I guess. That, and why Our troops?
Please help me to understand.
Nicely, please.

We created the problem by eliminating all the bloody dictators so democracy could flourish in the “Arab Spring”. Guess what? The Arabs don’t seem to be ready, willing or able to support democracy. What it comes down to is that we require our bloody dictators to kowtow to the west.

The militants have filled the void, and unless controlled they’ll soon bring the world to a halt. Millions displaced, major means of transportation unsafe and public buildings worldwide targets for mass bombings/slaughter/destruction.

So, what’s the West’s only hope? That we can deprive DAESH of the lands they’ve taken and the wealth they’ve stolen. This is going to be an all-out, winner take all offensive. The West has to commit whatever resources required to WIN, be it money, bombs, advice or troops. We can’t afford to fail, but it’s not a given that we will win.

Once that’s accomplished, we look for a new bloody dictator to keep a lid on things. You notice that the US has evolved for “Assad must leave office immediately” to “Assad needs to begin the transfer of power to a new leader.” There is no ‘new leader’, in that Assad has made it impossible for there to be any leadership in that country that could rival his own. I honestly think that the US and Russia have agreed to an Assad controlled puppet government. A fresh public face, unbloodied hands.

Ok. @ibstubro….. Get a glass of milk and some cookies. I is wordy. My apologies. And not your monkey, if it makes you want to bang your head….
Here goes;
A different approach- write and transfer. Ha-ha!
Ok, this is what I found during my news ‘fix’ tonight.***It is graphic and I had to stare at the wall while the gerbil on the wheel in m’head, processed.
http://dailym.ai/1RCKhTL
via http://dailym.ai/ios
You mean That Assad?
No words to express my emotions on this.

Ok. Daddy Bush had to leave Dessert Storm as a no-win. 9/11. So instead of Bin Laden immediately, we go after Hussain, by Baby Bush command. Ok.
Sadat gets assassinated. Mubarak steps in- with US help, and takes firm control of Egypt. Later, Egypt starts to fall, US does nothing. I believe US egged it on. I don’t know why- but it was odd.
Kaddaffi – the Insane, was bound to happen. And Wow. Libya now technically rudderless.
Ahmadinejad was Iran, made a name, scary man, and now- it seems nebulous to me. (Israel practices it’s something like 16 minute scramble to annihilate Iran, daily. Bombers over Iran to strike no hesitation) Nobody sneeze. Iran is a stated threat to everyone, yet it never quite makes anyone angry enough to sic ‘em on the place. It cannot fight on one side of the country to help Isis, and on the other side ready to throw-down with Israel, as a US ‘ally’ so…..?????
Turkey Vs Russia : (who are closer to Turkey with Baltic problem countries being overrun- that is why they have a pissing contest going on now for future spitting war which, I believe is going to happen.) The US had to ‘give’ to Russia for their bombing inclusion, and I believe the US would sacrifice those Balkans in a heartbeat- and I think Turkey understands that.
Next-
Baby Bush sent US troops to go into Africa from Libya’s borders. When news of highly trained soldiers entering Africa gets out, Baby Bush threw a hissy-fit bigger than those effected by the cheating scandal in the World Series! Yow! After he told the press to…well, you know…No one repeat No One has ever known why, where they went, are they established at some place now-anything. It’s like it never happened. I thought perhaps to see the strength of those a-holes badgering Darfoer, now I wonder if they knew those same a-holes were Boko-Haram in it’s infancy? To find the groups that formed B-H- which in turn, pledged itself, later, to ISIS?
Isis. This bastardized version of the Muslim Religion has one Major Goal above all others: to make all of the ‘world’s powerful’ to come to the city of Dabiq- for the Apocalypse.
Reference:
http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/16/what-isis-really-wants-10-surprising-things-we-learned-about-terror-group-5505519?ITO

My confusion is about the double edged sword now in front of us all.
If we bomb and drone-spot the crap out of them- we are getting the essentials. However, they get one- two spring up to take their places.
If there are troops down- doesn’t that make it easier for all of the ‘ghost-attacks’ triggered by those far away? Ok, ok, we fire the drones from mid-America also- but so many troops, weapons, and transportation gets destroyed if there vs hits on individuals, and Russia’s bombing the living hell out of everything!
You saw only minor Russian troops going into Syria et.al.- but you never hear a word, nor see them.
In my perception, I think the US had to send those groups of our special forces in, what, a week ago?, because Russia was promised the moon, if they helped in a war that they were going to be drawn into eventually, anyway. But the US hadn’t balanced the troop numbers. Soooo- off they went.
None of those power countries- US, Russia, England, France, Thailand, Nordic area countries, Germany, Plus the UN troops- like those killed the day before yesterday- No one is putting ‘boots to the ground’ soldier numbers there.
No one.
Ok, I realize that right now ISIS has some of the components to build a nuclear weapon. And that there is a lot of stupid in the world, who, for a price, would sell them what they need to finish.
Isis may use the archaic interpretation of the Koran, but I also believe that they will attempt to use a nuclear bomb(s) when all fighting is where they wish it to be.
Again, the article^, shows how much that the Muslim sects, themselves, are deemed impure and thusly- doomed also according to Isis rules.
Soooo- Islamists in the far eastern countries: India, Afghanistan, Kossicstan, Australia, the countries we know from the Vietnam War: Laos, Singapore, Taiwan,...etc, and their branches of Islam do Not, predominantly fall under the ISIS flag, if you will.
And China is now pissed at the US for ‘selling’ weapons and boats to Thailand two weeks ago, Thailand whom early on, backed the US in their early ISIS battle efforts and bombings. Now China wants to spit on us both!
Spit away.
I will not drag you through my Philippines and Isis mutual love-fest going on and why. ( I wrote of it in the Cuba question, but no one picked up on that upcoming problem in South America and Isis.I Strongly believe that a war theater of Isis is already blooming. – check it out- more blah blah blah from me! Yea! )

Ok, given up? Eyes bleeding yet?
Please – I’m serious- Why would we put troops down- besides Special Forces and our intelligence community- to fight?
If other countries do not- i.e. = Russia.
Wouldn’t the disabling nightly bombing hurt more? They’ll have to totally stop that action entirely if troops are there, right?
That factor alone scares the hell out of me. I think the bombing is taking out the Isis profit-making abilities: oil fields, shipping, drug fields, etc. And Russia, unlike the US- bombs the crap out of civilian areas also- if ISIS tries to hide there. We -Us do not.
I know I am missing something in this ‘boots on the ground’ movement.
What? What pieces am I not seeing?

It’s not up to You to try to get out the felt board and pointer for me- but I am just stumped when checking both viewpoints.
You were polite to respond to me… Bueller.
Ferris Bueller?
Oh- ps- I have read 2 separate reports( I need 3 to believe) that IF the suicide bombers take out a certain amount of people: whites, that their 21 virgins in heaven are then white, also=Total domination. whatever.
Why anyone would want twenty one Virginians, is beyond me…..
:)

Yes, that Assad. He’s the only non-DAESH leader in the area with enough experience to hold any kind of World Powers coalition together. I think Russia’s position is to get DAESH under control, then deal with Assad. The US was taking the ‘high road’ that Assad had to step down before we would commit much. Just like we meddled with Hussain, Mubarak, Kaddaffi, etc, etc. A long and winding road for us to open the path for DAESH to come to power. I believe the US has now agreed to the “Assad must go after we get things stabilized’ (or Russian) school of thought.

Yes we can direct the bombers and drones from the Midwest. How does that work when we’re directing a major Iraqi push to re-take Ramadi? The only way has a chance of working is with specialized ‘boots on the ground’. They can collect first hand information on who is fight who and where, which is crucial to fighting a war.

It’s not like we don’t know where are troops are – that they are spread willy-nilly so we have to stop our nightly bombing. However, they do act as a deterrent to totally random Russian bombing, in that we support some of the natives that are fighting against Assad – Russia’s primary target.

If we knock out DAESH, there are an additional 65,000 radical Islamists (as per my question link). What we need is a dictator ruthless enough to keep them under control. It’s as simple as that, because that’s the only thing that has worked in the past. I’m not saying it has to remain that way forever and ever, but that is what the major world powers need at this moment to keep civilization from collapsing.

I see. I do know Putin was firing on US backed groups, now that you mention that. That is why I couldn’t understand at the onset of all countries just watching domino effect of the leaders I listed. I was surprised at the silence from the US and others as it all was going on. Were you? Sadly, Putin was the only one who :publicly: supported one/any of them. ‘What a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive.’ Sir Walter Scott.
Maybe the Donald can go over and build a couplea walls, block other individuals, and put a chicken in every pot….no. Wait….
Thank you for answering. I am not sure what to think. I understand, but the Taliban seems to be trying to control all, or annihilate them. The answer is going to get ugly for everyone, I guess. :/

Our record of successful military wars in the Middle East is not good and I can’t think this one will be any better.

By and large the US worked to get those leaders out of office on the mistaken belief that Democracy is the ultimate desire and destiny of all humans. @msh. If we just got rid of the dictators, democracy was poised to fill the void.

Turns out even DAESH wasn’t even poised to fill the void. We had to give them opportunity after opportunity before they got it right.

Send pandering, fear mongering billionaire Trump to the Middle East? Might as well resurrect Bin Ladin, IMP. The guy is so crazy for attention, he could have his own radicalized country or countries in no time. Look what he’s doing for the Tea Partiers!

Sooo no Donald?
No NRA Border Guards?
No imported gold penthouses?
Bummer!

And he would’ve been do close to his bud, Putin!
Tsk!