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NerdyKeith's avatar

What is the difference between a "species" and a "variety" according to evolution?

Asked by NerdyKeith (5489points) February 29th, 2016

When I was reading “On the Origin of the Species”, I noticed Darwin used that terminology a lot.

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Dutchess_III's avatar

Well, you can have a wide variety of the same species. You have grizzly bears and polar bears. They look different but they’re the same species, that is, they can get married and have baby bears.

zenvelo's avatar

Polar Bears and Brown Bears (Grizzlies) are different species. But a Labradoodle and a German Shepherd are variants of Canis lupus familiaris

Dutchess_III's avatar

They are? Checking.

Dutchess_III's avatar

This says they aren’t.

Proving their genetic compatibility, brown bears and polar bears can mate and produce viable, or fertile, offspring. It is this reproductive viability that establishes that an animal belongs within a given species.”

CWOTUS's avatar

My limited understanding of the terms (and it’s not “according to evolution”; these are taxonomic classifications, which bear only a coincident relationship to evolution) is:
– species (the largest grouping of a set of organisms among which successful interbreeding produces viable offspring*);

- sub-species (a sub-group of a species which can interbreed with members of other sub-species within the same species, as in the example given by @Dutchess_III, but which don’t typically interbreed, particularly because of geography – polar bears don’t normally mate with grizzlies because their ranges don’t intersect);

- breeds or variants (generally domesticated animals within a species or sub-species, bred for particular characteristics)

* An understanding of the terms is incomplete without a better understanding of “viable offspring”. It doesn’t just mean “living”. A horse and a donkey can interbreed to produce mules, which live “normal” lives… but they aren’t “viable” because they aren’t capable of reproducing. So in this sense, “viable offspring” means “capable of reproduction”.

zenvelo's avatar

This says they are. Lions and tigers can breed too, but no one calls them subspecies of each other. Liger’s have successfully mated with lions.

Dutchess_III's avatar

@zenvelo but Ligers are infertile. So are the offspring of donkeys and houses ~ mules. I’m checking with a botanist as we speak.

Seek's avatar

Any qualified zoologist agrees that the “line” between sub-species and distinct species is fuzzy at best.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Pfffft! I meant zoologist!

Seek's avatar

Botanists deal with speciation, too.

dappled_leaves's avatar

I think that Darwin used the term “variety” when he was discussing speciation. So, if a population of a species is split in two, they become two varieties of the original species. No one uses this sort of terminology anymore.

In botany, the term “variety” is used to denote a sub-subspecies. Hence, the shore pine is Pinus contorta subsp. contorta var. contorta. Botanists are insane. This is one reason people don’t take them very seriously. As far as I know, this is not a usage that shows up in zoology or elsewhere. But I haven’t looked.

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Dutchess_III's avatar

Well, I have news for you people, about grizzles and polar bears, from my “botanist,” Glen. He has an account here as Cirbryn He was with the Wis.dm migration. He sz:

“Alright, you asked, so it’s your own fault if this is long: (This was the only thing that he was wrong about. It wasn’t my fault. It was Rarebear’s fault. He referred me to him.)

What it means is that the inability to produce viable hybrid offspring isn’t the only determining factor, even though a lot of people think it is. If two populations can’t produce viable hybrids, then they will be separate species, but if they can, then they won’t necessarily be the same species.

The determining factor is the presence of genetically-based “isolating mechanisms” that prevent significant mixing of the gene pools. The most effective such mechanism is complete inability to produce viable hybrids, but there are other mechanisms that can still prevent significant mixing. Examples include preference for a particular type of habitat (as with polar and brown bears), preferences for a particular type of song or color pattern or body shape, preferences for a particular time or place of mating, etc. There’s also partial reproductive incompatibility in which hybrids on average have reduced viability, but some remain capable of producing young (See http://darwiniana.org/mayrspecies.htm).

As just one example, we don’t know for certain that humans and chimps are completely incapable of producing viable hybrids. But the preferences of each for mating within its own species are so strong that it’s a moot point. The likelihood of significant numbers of chimp genes getting into the human genome (or the other way around) is so small that no one would suggest we might be the same species, regardless of whether we might hypothetically be able to produce a viable hybrid.

So what that means is that during times of severe environmental change, some of the things separating certain species can break down. If polar bears start losing their habitat, some of them may try to do the best they can in brown bear habitat, which might mean their only mating opportunities are with brown bears. Similarly for northern spotted owls losing their old-growth forests and having to mate with barred owls, or gray wolves losing their forest habitat (or losing all their pack members to hunters) and so occasionally interbreeding with coyotes. Possible results of such interbreeding range from business as usual (but with occasional hybrids) to hybrid populations supplanting one or both parent species. The supplantation could be due to competition or due to genetic swamping, which is what happens when so many outside genes keep entering the species gene pool that the species loses the characteristics that had made it distinct.

As it happens, my favorite example of genetic swamping involves polar bears and brown bears. A 1996 study of mitochondrial DNA found that a particular lineage of brown bears from the Admiralty, Baranof, and Chichagof (“ABC”) Islands near Alaska, are more similar to polar bears than they are to other brown bears. The interpretation was that polar bears had evolved from ABC brown bears. But the indicated time of separation was surprisingly recent. Even so, the example of speciation provided in the second episode of Neil De Grasse Tyson’s “Cosmos” reboot involved brown bears evolving into polar bears (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XXFUKJBOlM).

However, subsequent studies didn’t find the same relationships when looking at nuclear DNA as a whole, but did find the relationship (though not as strongly expressed) when looking only at the nuclear DNA on the X chromosome. (Remember most DNA is in the nucleus, but a little bit is in a cellular organelle called a mitochondrion, which is responsible for providing energy. Mitochondria are only inherited from the mother.) A 2013 paper finally made sense of it all: the ABC brown bears had originally been a population of polar bears. When the ice from the last glaciation receded, male brown bears (which range farther than females) entered the area and interbred with the female polar bears that had stayed on the islands despite the retreating ice. The hybrids in the next generation were better able to deal with the warmer climate, and they interbred, year after year, with new waves of male brown bears coming in from the mainland. The result was that what originally had been a polar bear population turned into a brown bear population. But because it was generally male brown bears coming in, the population kept much of their original polar bear DNA whenever that DNA was in packets (such as mitochondria) passed on primarily by the females.

It’s still possible that polar bears evolved from brown bears. But since it happened much further back in time, it’s also possible that some previously-existing species gave rise to both of them.”

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