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I am big enough to say and admit I was wrong, if I am proven wrong.

There were actually a couple of times I thought GWB made an appropriate decision. (Twice over 8 years).

My counter question to you: If Trump should somehow win, and all the likely awful things happen, are you willing to stand up and say “This was an awful decision”?

I don’t carry grudges. If Trump gets elected and if he does a good job (at least as I would define it*), then I would certainly give him his due.

* Seeing as I am a far left liberal, it would be quite an about face for him, but who knows?

I will carry a grudge if he does what he says and bans foreigners from entering the US and builds that wall around Mexico’s border.

@zenvelo , I would, indeed, and it would be far from the first time I admit being wrong about something.

Those are two pretty big ”if’s”. But I would admit that i was wrong.

I couldn’t carry those “ifs” in a bulldozer.

I do, actually, tend to carry grudges (I’m not proud of it, but that’s who I am). Trump will always be the person who incited violence at his own campaign rallies and reduced a candidate debate to a dick joke.

If he gets elected I hope he takes in too much Viagra and coke at his inauguration party and drops dead.

They don’t call me emperical girl for nothing. But I don’t want him to do most of what he has actually said he’s going to do. I don’t want him making us raise our right arms in oath to him. You can emperically make Hitler’s or Franco’s accomplishments look good on paper too. Roads, industry, railroads, nationalist pride, but ultimately not a good idea.

I would never support, him I just don’t like his “I’m right, you’re wrong, get lost, ‘nuff said” attitude. He’s a self-serving, self-assured bully.

All of us would like to believe ourselves objective, but of course, this is clearly not the case. The vitriol against Obama was an embarrassment to the country. Now your assessment of Trump as the man for the job should include the fact that your future President was at the forefront of the truly ludicrous birther movement. The thing that strikes me most peculiar about Trump is that he is an educated man that goes to extraordinary lengths to disguise the fact. Indeed, you might say that he misses no opportunity to refute the fact as though it were an odious accusation. I have never seen anything like it.

But I’m drifting from the topic. For those who think Trump will shake things up, I agree. I would be pleasantly surprised and relieved should he turn out to be a competent President, and will be grateful to be proven wrong. My problem with Trump is in his judgement. He certainly gives the impression of a man who speaks his mind. And if what tumbles from his mouth actually reflects the man’s mental processing, there’s much to be anxious about.

There is some staunch honesty here.
Thanks for being so true to yourselves.
I am, by the way, not withholding GAs from anyone on simple reason of disagreeing with me, for instance, @Seek , I mean, damn but still, great answer.

Obama has done what he can? He has done more than many other presidents and with a Republican controlled Congress. I challenge you to read the following (too long to list here).

Would I support a Trump who was a competent and effective Pesident? Yes, I could have my mind changed even though I am inclined by his actions and flip-flopping to dislike him. I think this would be a lot to overcome:

Dec 2015: proposing a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.” The emailed statement was quickly condemned by the White House and by his GOP rivals on the campaign trail.

Nov 2015: “ISIS is making a tremendous amount of money because of the oil that they took away, they have some in Syria, they have some in Iraq, I would bomb the sh—out of them,” Trump told a Fort Dodge, Iowa, rally on Nov. 12.

“I would just bomb those suckers, and that’s right, I’d blow up the pipes, I’d blow up the refineries, I’d blow up every single inch, there would be nothing left.”

September 2015: “Look at that face!” Trump said, according to the report [emphasis theirs]. “Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?!”

He continued: “I mean, she’s a woman, and I’m not s’posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?”

August 2015: Fox News’ Megyn Kelly called him out on his sexist behavior during the GOP debate on August 6, reminding him: “You have called women you don’t like ‘fat pigs’, ‘dogs’, ‘slobs’, and ‘disgusting animals.”

Trump laughed off the question, claiming he doesn’t “have the time for total political correctness.” Later, Trump called Kelly a “bimbo” and said that he “didn’t recognize” the remarks she was referencing.

July 2015: “He’s not a war hero,” Trump said at the Family Leadership Summit, during a discussion. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-ban-muslims-216513#ixzz42EdqHWRm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/18-real-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-women_us_55d356a8e4b07addcb442023

I could go on almost forever. He is a racist, misogynistic, narcissistic blowhard who has lied about his fortune, his business successes (and many failures). He engenders a level of public discourse so low as to not only be called uncivil, it is revolting.

I like how Trump has already shaken up the political establishment and forced a couple key issues to the forefront establishment politicians would have preferred that they remained in the shadows. Trump is politically an unknown entity and why he scares so many. I never pass the opportunity to remind those deathly afraid of Trump that Congress is where our laws are made and we still have strong leadership in Congress to help keeps the US going in the right direction. Trumps negotiating and deal making skills are truly what is making him so appealing to so many for the obvious reasons.

I also feel the last thing we need is a President with zero political knowledge or experience. The Presidency is not a position that should entail on the job training. The other thing I ask ardent Trump supporters is to imagine Trump as the Governor of your own state. To use Trumps own words….“it would be a disaster”

I had friends here in Norway call for USA to change its name because of the way Trump is carrying on. They have renamed it ’ Vulgaria’. Good start for a State official abroad.

Those ‘Ifs’ will never be acknowledged. If the economy recovers, was it in spite of him or because of him? The answer will depend on whether you like him or not. That will be true of any issue, policy, or position he takes. It still amazes me that after 8 years of Obama and the economy still in the toilet, Many will defend him by saying “it would have been so much worse without him”. Rational thought takes a back seat when you’re emotionally involved with a candidate. That said, I think I can give him credit if he does well and criticism if he does poorly. I’m not emotionally involved either for or against him.

If your economy totally recovers, and if he doesn’t alienate all the leaders of countries the U.S. has interest in.
I can admit I was wrong about him.

I have to admit to the possibility that someone who speaks as crudely as Trump does, as shown by @marinelife , could possibly perform well as president, and in that case I would gladly stand corrected. Maybe Trump’s way of talking is just big put-on and he is fully capable of logic and erudition. It just seems highly unlikely, and I am sad to see the level of political discourse sink to such a low level. I would hate to see that as being Trump’s lasting legacy, sinking to the level of the lowest common denominator. I did not care for Reagan, but will begrudgingly admit that he had a smooth and effective way of relating to white working class “Reagan Democrats”. Trump does not even come close to that.

Sorry, but I’m having trouble wrapping my head around someone who’s been Obama supporter and thinks he’s done well also supporting a man who wants to dismantle what Obama has done. Seems to me that there’s got to be some serious cognitive dissonance going on there.

If Trump is going to be a good President and has good constructive ideas why doesn’t he show this side of his personality on the campaign trail and tell us what these great policies are? You can’t vote for him in the hope he will miraculously change once he gets into the White House.

Well @flutherother he did say wanted a wall with mexico ,and another poster had an article about why the u.s should take over Canada what more do you want?

As a fiscal conservative and sometime Republican, all I can say is:
“How could you support Obama and not support giving a Democrat 4 more years to cement Obama’s legacy against a hostile Congress?”

@flutherother just said all the rest.

Only if he starts off by turning into a different personality, saying, “well, look what a ridiculous state our country is in, that a TV personality like me can win the presidency by just basically talking smack to everyone and ad-libbing a bunch of bombastic bullshit. That really needs to change. Actually, I’m going to use the executive powers I now have thanks to Bush and Obama’s administrations, to detain most of Congress in secret prisons for being corrupt and in the pockets of corporations. You thought I was SERIOUS about building a giant wall along the south border? Hell no, the nasty walls we have now need to come down – they’re not helping anything, and they’re screwing with wildlife. Sorry, Mexico, I was joking, to show how very wrong the stupid fearful prejudices in our country are. Hey, the Tar Sands are a horrible example of what business shouldn’t do. Canada needs to shut that down and clean up all the environmental damage they did.”

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Then, ya, I might think he was the man we needed.

The thread turned from what I asked, to will you concede Trump might be a good candidate. My question involves if he wins, and shows a proven positive performance. Bashing is not welcome, of me, or Trump. I already know you don’t care for him, and that you have your reasons, though mostly the reasons are false and come from sources other than Trump. He never said he would stop all immigration. He never ever ever said we should declare war on Canada. Duh, look at the source, it was a satirical publication.
I won’t address each point individually, because that is beside the point.
My question did not ask you to bash Trump. That has been done on numerous threads.
Please answer the question as asked, or I will start flagging en masse.

@marinelife Kudos on the list and its clear refutation of Obama demonology.

”When you die, will you enjoy the Afterlife?”

Shit yes.

I mean, I don’t believe in the afterlife, so if it’s there, I’ll be tickled shitless.

Therefore if Candidate Trump can transform himself into a positive/productive President Trump, I’ll be equally thrilled.

Just don’t expect me to commit suicide vote for him to find out.

The fact that it is vaguely possible that he may do a good job doesn’t change the fact that I doubt he will.

Could you guys delay the election some how? We still haven’t quite finished the wall up here.

If a President does things I like will I acknowledge it? Absolutely. If he does a great job will I vote for him? Most likely, but not definitely.

I’m thinking that if he could do a good job, he wouldn’t have had all the bankruptcies and other legal issues he’s had.

@Jaxk “Rational thought takes a back seat when you’re emotionally involved with a candidate.”
That’s funny coming from any conservative. Thanks for the chuckle!

If I thought any president did the right thing, I would acknowledge it. That said, it’s so far from likely in Trumps case that I don’t see much point in asking. He’s racist, he incites violence, he has no tact, he’s sexist and just an overall asshole. The idea of someone like him running the country is completely terrifying.