Why would any woman without a drug problem be in the skin trade?

To pay her way through law school?

Why not? It’s easy money.

Because women don’t have money and skeevy men do have money.

Penniless women have a ready market of every man on Earth who will pay for a blow job.

If you are a penniless man, you sell your body digging ditches.

^^^Or to homosexual men.

Most human traffic is sex trade. The young girls snared to work in massage parlors or on the street are coerced, threatened, abused and utterly helpless. It’s not just men running this sick show either.

It’s for the same reasons that men get into the business. If I recall correctly, you know some prostitutes. Why not ask them?

Jenna Jameson is worth $30 million.

Felicia Day’s net worth is $1 million.

@Dutchess_III Why not? It’s easy money.
I am sure it is easy money in some situations, however, if it were seen with the same favor as working at Costco would not even more women be doing it and with encouragement from family and friends?

@Call_Me_Jay Penniless women have a ready market of every man on Earth who will pay for a blow job.
Then there ought to be a lot of women driving fine sports and exotic cars dripping in diamonds. If they have a readily available and high demand product and they still do not use it, it has to be either the product is viewed as seedy or they lack poor economic wisdom; unless the women who are penniless are in very small number. Furthermore, maybe because they did not give up a BJ they are so poor, and because the others must have?

@ARE_you_kidding_me Most human traffic is sex trade. The young girls snared to work in massage parlors or on the street are coerced, threatened, abused and utterly helpless
There is that segment, but aside from those forced, or coerced why would they if it is allegedly no less exploitive?

@Pied_Pfeffer It’s for the same reasons that men get into the business.
Men get in the business to boink hot women in ways their girlfriends would never give it up, and have threesomes.

If I recall correctly, you know some prostitutes. Why not ask them?
Back when I traveled in circles that overlapped theirs, there was no need to ask them, it was quite known they were ”bag hos”, they would get on their back or on their knees for anyone who had enough money to get them back to the connection’s spot and their next hit. The only other women I knew were through the nail salon and they were just stripping and pole dancing, they did so for books, car payments, rent, and other daily maintenance. Even thought they were making in three day’s work what they made in two weeks in other jobs, they all eventually grew tired of men as old as their father and younger leering and ogling them.

@Seek Jenna Jameson is worth $30 million.
Felicia Day’s net worth is $1 million.
If that is the norm and not the exception, I guess we can’t blame all those young girls taking racy selfies of themselves and posting online, smart thinking if you want to be ”discovered”. ~~

Jenna Jameson is worth $30 million.
Felicia Day’s net worth is $1 million.

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Taylor Swift
Beyonce
Gaga
Katy Perry

etc…

Even the highest paid porno actresses, I would bet did not make as much as a ‘B’ listed Hollywood actress.

Jenna Jameson is the highest paid porno actress.
Felicia Day is a B-listed actress.

Personal choice is the ultimate form of empowerment.

Who is anyone to criticize.

“Oppressed??

She’s the one holding the whip.”

-Patsy stone.

Also. Is the “skin trade” the only trade where the lowest ranked participants are tragic?

Oh, didn’t I hear you all shout, MY BODY, MY CHOICE?

It’s all more proof that feminism doesn’t just tell males what they should, or should not, think and do.

Oh, I see, comparing B-list. I don’t think Felicia Day is even B-list.

Though I love Felicia Day. I think we will be totally compatible if Rashida Jones does not call me and propose marriage soon.

It isn’t only a drug habit that demands “feeding”. The demand is there. Someone is going to do it for the same reason we all work, to pay the rent or mortgage. It almost certainly pays better than the minimum wage, and those women so engaged have probably concluded (correctly) that there are few lines of work more degrading than walking around broke in America.

For the same reasons men might be involved – money.

Tristan Taormino
Women Directors in Porn

Once again, this question depicts the men as rich entrepreneurs and women as either addicts or bimbos. The last I knew, the majority of porn shows female actors having sex with male actors.
“Why would anyone without a drug problem act in a porn movie?” would be a non-misogynist version of this question.

@ibstubro, indeed.

Another reason some might be involved: They like it.

I think some women, younger women, see people that have done well in the past and want the fame and money that goes with it. The reality is very different however, abuse of females and males in the industry is rife. Many younger girls last only a few years and are dumped for newer eager faces.

I think the amateur sector is growing because there is less abuse, people can work from home and design their own hours, which is attractive.

It’s also becoming a little less taboo to work at home in amateur porn, depending on what genre you are doing.

A few women do enjoy working for the bigger industry, but really most women are horrifically abused there and the bigger industry houses are battling financially in reality.

Heidi Fleiss was a prostitute for a short period in order to learn all aspects of the business.
Fleiss has stated that she made her ‘first million [dollars] after only four months in the business’ as a madam, and that on her slowest night she made $10,000.

Policewoman prostitute earned $500-a-night
“Police said the officer, who would take home at least $43,000 a year from the force, did not ask permission to take a second job but if she had, approval would not have been granted for sex work.”
lol – dry wit.
If she only worked 2 nights a week, she made $10,000 more than the police work paid.

@ibstubro Once again, this question depicts the men as rich entrepreneurs and women as either addicts or bimbos.
Now we are going to try and play it brain dead like from jump street women got the shorter end of the stick in the flesh trade then men? The climate might be somewhat different today, but back in its origin I have not found many to dispute that the sex trade and skin flicks were dominated by men running it, or are you saying different?

Why would anyone without a drug problem act in a porn movie? ”would be a non-misogynist version of this question.
But misleading to the gist of this question, I have not met many men who contemplated using their bodies to gain cash in a tight spot unless it meant climbing through a 2nd story window to rifle a bedroom. Most guys I have ran across with a drug habit to feed either got into selling it, and hoping they did not get high off their own supply, or they stole things, did not matter what, so long as they could get more than $20 dollars for it.

Young women don’t necessarily understand the psychological consequences they are setting themselves up for. They are new in their sexuality, might like what feels like attention, and feel like it’s approval for their beauty. Add to it the money, and it’s a big snowball that can keep growing and difficult to break apart for a while.

Men can’t easily sell their bodies like women can. Men are visual, more obsessed with sex, have more money than women, and so basically women can make money in the sex trade, because men will pay the money. There is a large demand. There isn’t as much demand for men. Gay sex there is a niche, but women aren’t paying for gigolos very much compared to men paying for women.

Can you submit a standard English version of your post, @Hypocrisy_Central?

“Now we are going to try and play it brain dead like from jump street women got the shorter end of the stick in the flesh trade then men?” Is not, standard, English.

Because they are sitting on a goldmine?

Ok, since we are including porn then the answer is that it is a high paying job that does not require a fancy degree or certification. Just like any other job some love it, some hate it and some are ho hum about it.

@ibstubro Can you submit a standard English version of your post, @Hypocrisy_Central?
OK, let’s standardize it, as @JLeslie pointed out; men cannot sell sex anywhere as good as women. Where would a man go? There are no streets where he can take off his shirt, strut back and forth and have women willing to pay him for a romp. The flesh trade has always been dominated by men, there might be some women Johnny come latelies showing up (which would beg the thought if they perceive the flesh trade to be exploitive to women, why would they be a part of it knowing that to do it they have to exploit women as well?), but that is new and not the way it has been for decades. To believe otherwise would allude to living under a rock and never seeing what is going on, or in denial with the blinders on, refusing to see the obvious.

Why don’t you take one out to coffee and ask her? Ask her to bring her girlfriends.

Some enjoy it, some don’t. Different people get into it for different reasons. Some are exploited, some are not. Some can dictate the course of their career, some cannot. Some get wealthy at it, some do not. Most work for someone else who is profitting off their labor (even if the laborer is likewise getting wealthy). In other words it’s pretty much like any other profession out there.

Your overtones suggest that there is something wrong with it @Hypocrisy_Central. Many people feel that same way. If it was viewed as no big deal I’m sure a lot more women would take advantage of it. There were times in my life when I briefly considered it but decided against it. (No, I’ve never had a drug problem.)

Most male prostitutes address the homosexual trade. What woman in her right mind would pay for sex?!

Blows my mind that men create a demand for sex, then shame the women who feed that demand.

David disagrees
@Dutchess_III.
But you need some handsome Dick gear.

@Dutchess_III ” What woman in her right mind would pay for sex?!”

One who just wants to enjoy it for it’s own sake, but wishes to avoid the games, hassles and complications that come with the typical amorous interactions?

No, I’m pretty sure a woman could easily avoid all of that and just get the sex for a night, or half a night, or a hour. Just don’t tell them your real name or phone number or any personal information.

@Dutchess_III

So a woman picking up some random drunken stranger at a bar is preferable to an honest business transaction?

EDIT: What @Seek said.

Yeah, but you can pay a dude to actually bring you to orgasm, while looking like exactly what you want him to look like, and saying all the things you want him to say.

Anyone can land a drunken crapshoot that probably has premature ejaculation issues, sure, but why not pay for quality sexytime entertainment?

Here’s an article where a woman describes her experience with hiring a male escort. It’s an interesting read.

Thanks, guys. Yeah, the orgasm thing is a big deal, and you’re right. You have very, very little chance of achieving one with a stranger, whether he’s drunk or not. That’s probably why women aren’t really into picking up guys the same way that men are into picking up women.
We need to come up with a word other than “sex” to describe things. For most men, sex=orgasm, most of the time. Not so for many women. And it IS the orgasm we’re referring to, not the act of sex.

@Dutchess_III Your overtones suggest that there is something wrong with it @Hypocrisy_Central. Many people feel that same way.
I am just expounding on what I have heard said if it over the years here.

No, I’m pretty sure a woman could easily avoid all of that and just get the sex for a night, or half a night, or a hour. Just don’t tell them your real name or phone number or any personal information.
If she is decent looking, yeah, if she is hot, definitely, if she is neither of those, even being willing to pay for it, she will strije out.

You have very, very little chance of achieving one with a stranger, whether he’s drunk or not.
For some it must be the trill of the hunt, if it is all about the likelihood of teaching the ”Big ‘O’” then they would not end up under the bleacher during home coming boinking some bang geek, in the bathroom at some rav boining some guy they met hours earlier, or some guy they met over shuffleboard on some cruise ship, unless those types of encounters are orgasm fodder for some women.

Young girls have no idea what they’re after. They just know they’re horny too. Which, of course, is a sin for girls, but perfectly normal for boys.

I can’t believe how clueless you are about women, HC. You should really try to get to know one someday.

OMG
I just GA @Dutchess_III on a sex question!

And I won’t regret it in the morning!

@Dutchess_III I can’t help but notice that your thinking on this seems to be a little dated, like pre-1990. While still lopsided I can’t help but notice how younger girls are chasing guys out in the open more often and it’s not viewed as unusual.
There are plenty of women out there who would pay for sex for various reasons.

I think the idea is that boys have a handy pointer as to exactly what they’re after, @ARE_you_kidding_me.

Of course boys and girls have always chased after each other. But when caught, boys tend to know exactly what they’re after, and it’s readily apparent when they satisfy the need.

Exactly @ibstubro. It becomes very clear, very quickly and easily for boys what they’re “aiming” for, even when there are no girls in sight. It’s not so clear for the girls. It can be years before they figure it out, if ever.

To clarify, @ARE_you_kidding_me, the girls may be chasing boys more often, but the end results are the same as they have been for millennia. They want the boys. They’re horny. It’s OK today for a girl to be horney so the girls are more open about it. They just aren’t as clear about how to remedy that as the boys are on how to remedy their horniness.

I’d wager that virtually every young boy’s first sex was mind blowing for them, but not for the girls. Mine was exciting, but, in the end, I was left scratching my head wondering what all the hoopla was about. And I was left with a sense of embarrassment and shame. I was 15. He was 16.

LOL! OK, there was a meme that came across my FB feed, posted by a female friend of mine. It got, like, 60 “likes,” and laughing faces, and “For realz!”....all from women. Not one man responded.

I don’t understand why some men, like HC, find it so hard to understand the basic difference between how a man has an orgasm, vs what it takes for a woman to have one. Plenty of grown men have no idea, some don’t even care, as long as they get theirs (I would say that was probably true for the majority of marriages in my parent’s generation), and a 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 year old boy is certainly going to be clueless. The young girls are just about as clueless.
And teaching a guy can be a long freaking process.

@Dutchess_III They just know they’re horny too. Which, of course, is a sin for girls, but perfectly normal for boys.
Being horny is not a sin for either sex. However, if one doesn’t believe in a Creator, then there is no sin for anything so it is a wasted thought to think it is, they can do whatever.

I can’t believe how clueless you are about women, HC. You should really try to get to know one someday.
Off on wild generalizations aging huh? I have known a lot of women, I know some now, I have observed the behavior of countless. Just because they do not ask the way you expect, doesn’t mean they do not ask the way they do or did. Clue yourself in on that fact.

I don’t understand why some men, like HC, find it so hard to understand the basic difference between how a man has an orgasm, vs what it takes for a woman to have one.
Why not ask that of all the women who do not understand it, especially when other women seem to think ANY woman can get there if they do the right steps. Leave it to popular pundits, women miss it because they over think it, don’t relax, don’t give in to it, use the wrong whatever to not stimulate this or that properly, do not masturbate enough to know their body sexually, etc., etc. Many of the women I fornicated with did not seem to mind that they did not reach the Big ‘O’, maybe they bought into the hoopla that it took some rare combination of the perfect storm for them to get there. Maybe for some females the trill of the hunt is better than bagging the prey.

Well, if we do it ourselves, of course we can get there! Doy. Just the physical act of sex with a man isn’t going to gave many of us the same, easy results as men get 99% of the time, because of the vast differences in our anatomy. That’s all I’m trying to say, and I’m pretty sure you don’t believe me.

Many of the women I fornicated with did not seem to mind that they did not reach the Big ‘O’,

Hahahaha…

Yes, they did.

I missed that @Seek! Yeah, we mind. Wouldn’t you mind, HC? Wouldn’t any guy mind? But what the hell are we supposed to say or do about it? Maybe start a “discussion” in bed after he’s done, and basking in the wondrous afterglow of his own orgasm? I don’t think so.
No. Instead we just tell him “That was the best ever!” (See “When Harry met Sally.”)

Perhaps times have changed @Dutchess_III. Two co-workers became smitten with each other. The first time they had sex and he was “done”, she asked, “Is that it?”, then reached over to her nightstand drawer and pulled out her vibrator. They married sometime later, so one can only assume the two worked it out.

No word on how he felt about that? Did he remedy the situation from then on out? Is that what you would do @Pied_Pfeffer? Perhaps times have changed. I would like to hear from other women on this.

On second thought, I don’t want to hear from the women here. Wouldn’t HC just swoon over that! But feel free to PM me. I did come from a different time. When I was in my 30’s, after my divorce, I dated a guy for a long time (the only guy I had sex with after my ex and before Rick) and he was amazed to hear that women actually had orgasms. I could share other clueless men stories but I’ll refrain. Also, please remember that this discussion kind of took a turn when HC talked about teenagers “boinking.”

@Seek Yes, they did.
Were you watching? If not, you don’t know….I will politely leave it at that.

@Dutchess_III Wouldn’t any guy mind?
If they mind, they should take a page out of men’s playbook and not return for more.

I don’t want to hear from the women here. Wouldn’t HC just swoon over that!
I don’t care, if I don’t have a ring on it, it does me no profit, but I will let you salivate over in in your PMs.

Also, please remember that this discussion kind of took a turn when HC talked about teenagers “boinking.
Again, another example of not paying attention and manufacturing your own facts, the original question had nothing to do with teens boinking, since when can teens enter the sex trade willingly? If you are going to spin and deal propaganda at least be somewhat accurate.

I didn’t mention the “original question.” I said it took a turn, and that turn was here. Only kids and teenagers “boink under the bleachers.” Adults have sex.

You are so lost in 9th grade aren’t you. You can’t even use the word “sex,” or “orgasm” without replacing it with a euphemism.
Seriously….go hire a grown up prostitute. You need one. It’s time for you to lose your virginity.

And of course teenagers can enter the sex trade willingly. That was just a dumb thing to say.

^ Only kids and teenagers “boink under the bleachers.” Adults have sex.
Forgive me for not using the more vulgar term, I guess that is the gold standard for this place, I will try to remember that.

You are so lost in 9th grade aren’t you.
By this comment: ”Seriously….go hire a grown up prostitute. You need one. It’s time for you to lose your virginity.” it is not me, that statement is as juvenile as they come.

And of course teenagers can enter the sex trade willingly.
Show me where they are doing it legally, because that is what we are speaking of.

The terms you use are juvenile. It is “sex,” or “intercourse,” not “boinking.” People use silly names to describe things that make them feel embarrassed. Juveniles get all giggly and embarrassed about sex.

Well, where ever it is legal you’ll find teens working. Where ever it is illegal you’ll find teens working.

I don’t see anything wrong with the term boinking.

“boinking” is what a child does to a friend’s head with a nerf sword.

To me it’s like using the word “wiener” or “thing” to refer to a penis @JLeslie.

I think boink is lighthearted, not serious, and fun. I don’t interpret it as crass or as that it is a negative connotation. It’s slang for sure, but I don’t see it as negative. Weiner and dick, I do feel are negative. All of those are used can be used as a substitute name for penis, but they also can be used when calling a guy a bad name. It’s why I don’t like the term pussy for my girly parts. I much prefer cha cha.

@JLeslie why do you prefer the term “cha cha” when referring to your vagina? What is wrong with just saying “vagina’? It’s a mild word.

This kind of reminds me of when I went looking for maternity clothes the first time, in the 80’s. I’ll be danged if my only choices were “baby doll” tops with ribbons and sailor bows, like what you’d put on a 5 year old little girl. I got the impression that my job was to try and deny, with my clothes, that I had really had, OMG, sex to get me in The Family Way.
I finally just went “shopping” in the XL section of Goodwill.

I use vagina too. I’m just saying of the slang words I prefer cha cha to pussy. People use vagina wrong also. They say vagina when talking about their vulva, and all sorts of inaccuracies. I don’t see any big deal using the slang, as long as people do know the correct word when they need it.

I would prefer a lot of words over “pussy.” There are a lot of words out there referring to the vagina and many have them have awful nuances. “Cunt” comes to mind.
But I guess “weeny,” or “hot dog,” when referring to a penis, is OK.

I still don’t get why any grown adult would use cutsie wootsie euphemisms for “sex,” or “intercourse.” But, to each his own.

How is “sex” a vulgar term?

What? Who said “sex” was a vulgar term?