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cinnamonk's avatar

How do you explain the phenomenon of women voting for Trump?

Asked by cinnamonk (5402points) November 9th, 2016

Is it internalized misogyny? Lunacy? Idiocy? Willful blindness? All four factors?

Could there be any other possible explanations besides the ones I’ve listed?

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Zaku's avatar

I share your amazement, but I think there are reasons people voted for Trump despite all the stupidity and contradiction and craziness and bigotry and ridiculousness, which don’t get much attention in the information streams people in pro-Trump circles tend to get.

Some other factors:

* All the objections out there about Clinton. Our system tends to force voting against the other big gang party, since there’s no way to express more than the single vote taken as approval.

* All the “right-wing versus left-wing” ideas.

* Agreeing with some things Trump said, as cherry-picked by their information sources.

* The Trans-Pacific Partnership treaty.

* The different value systems and priorities of “conservatives” versus “liberals”.

* Various theories of the “right” that make “liberal” brains hurt, or just not be taken seriously, so we tend to not know or not think others could really be orienting their opinions around them.

* Anti-abortion fanaticism.

* Living in a community and/or Church flock where there is conservative alignment.

* Mostly ignoring political details.

My energy for this topic is wearing out, but ya there are some factors, plus not caring as much about or discounting the stuff that has you & me make him unsupportable. When I’ve heard Trump people (including women) discuss the awful aspects of Trump, they downplay it, say that’s just how men are, say he was joking, and generally don’t seem to take those things seriously and/or don’t give them all that much weight, and/or half-sort-of-side-with some aspect of some of the things he says.

Coloma's avatar

Seriously, I am surrounded by Trump supporters, it is not easy being a liberal old hippie type in redneck land out here. Thankfully I have my daughter and a good friend to share my sentiments with. My neighbor ( 62 yr. old, highly educated & ambitious women ) actually said the other day that “all” men are like that! WTF!
She is a ‘Christian” but typical hypocrite, she also floored me when I tried to change the subject and commented on a person that was found dead in a parking lot nearby and asked her if she knew the details and she replied ” Oh is was JUST a homeless person!”

Really has completely colored my feelings towards her, just plan on keeping it light and casual. Fucking unreal the mindset of some people!

ucme's avatar

Ahh but it breaks down to more you see, some 64% of white women without a college education aged over 50 were his primary catch. I think maybe the words without & education are pretty key :D

Coloma's avatar

@ucme Well..I am over 50 and while I didn’t finish my education I can assure you that is not my mind set. Then, ^ see above there is my neighbor who graduated with honors in business and has been highly successful but….. is a total social idiot. haha
I have heard the #1 thing Trump supporters have in common is an authoritarian personality style, regardless of education. They think big, bad, daddy trump is going to whip things into shape and because, from a psychological perspective, they are control freaks that are terrified of not having a big daddy to lead them.

Just wait ‘til your father gets home” archaic mentality. All the Trump supporters I know are also militant right to bear arms types, another clue to their paranoid and authoritarian mindsets.

SecondHandStoke's avatar

For those that haven’t gotten the memo:

Women (in the US) are free to make their own decisions.

ucme's avatar

@Coloma No need to assure me, pretty obvious you fall into the 36% who recognise him as a twat

cinnamonk's avatar

@SecondHandStoke I never contested that.

However, near as I can tell, being a woman and voting for Trump is like being a black person and voting for Strom Thurmond. I can’t wrap my head around it. It defies all understanding.

ragingloli's avatar

likely for the same reason that some western women embark to the middle east to join ISIS.

Coloma's avatar

@SecondHandStoke Yep, they are free to support sexism, oppression, racism, bigotry and if they want to go back 70 years, being objectified and carrying their mens slippers in their teeth like a Cocker Spaniel, well…they are, most certainly, free to choose that gig.

Free to bend over and take it in the ass while stirring the oatmeal for big daddy. lol

MrGrimm888's avatar

If you believe that the election is real (I don’t ,) then it wasn’t just women. Latinos, African Americans, and non idiot white people also chipped in.

And for those who decided to make a ‘statement, ’ by voting 3rd party, WOW your timing sucks…

Astonishing.

SecondHandStoke's avatar

@AnonymousAccount8 , @Coloma

I am not self defined by my attributes I cannot change, (race, gender, etc.)

Perhaps these women know the same thing.

@AnonymousAccount8

But my first reply serves as a viable answer to your OP.

There could be many reasons that you and others might not be able to conceive of.

Frankly, these reasons aren’t my business, or anyone else’s.

Any worthwhile answer is going to come from a female Trump supporter.

If Fluther doesn’t happen to have any then you might pose your question elsewhere.

cinnamonk's avatar

My childhood best friend, who is a woman of Mexican heritage, announced on Facebook that she was pleased with Hillary’s defeat. I’d like to know her reasoning but I also do not wish to jeopardize our friendship.

Mariah's avatar

Growing up I knew a very smart Catholic woman. Raised 4 children, saw one of them through a childhood cancer battle, substitute taught at my school. Sane, she was friends with my family. But she also believed because she is a woman that her husband is the head of her household and has the final say in all decisions. She and thousands like her could probably overlook Trump’s misogyny if they thought he shared her values more than Clinton.

I also think this article is the best thing I’ve read to help me empathize with how people in general (not just women) came to like Trump: http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

Your friend is really puzzling to me, @AnonymousAccount8.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I heard that 52% of women voted for Trump. In Florida, ⅓ of Latinos voted for him. Some of them will be saying goodbye to their own relatives.

Those two stats alone have me flummoxed.

Seek's avatar

Hate to say it, but I told you so. I knew if Trump won the Primaries, Florida would go red.

This state is full of idiots that think there’s a golden money tree somewhere and they just need someone to give them a map.

Kropotkin's avatar

You have to try to appreciate that not everyone gives a damn about identity politics in the same way you might do.

Lots of poor whites voted for Trump because they’ve been screwed over and left on the economic scrapheap—and when privileged, wealthy liberals come on TV to tell them that Trump is terrible, that he’s a misogynist, that he’s sexually assaulted women, and that they should support Hillary—who has spent her career serving herself and her corporate paymasters—guess what they think?

They think: “go fuck yourself, you liars”.

And they look at Trump, who has opportunistically captured the mood of these people, and is telling them what they want to hear—that he’ll make their lives better, that he’ll rebuild their communities, that he’ll give them jobs and make everything great. Then they do not give a damn about whether he’s a misogynist or not. They don’t have the luxury of giving a crap about such issues—in fact, they’ll even see the focus on minorties, and on gender, as part of why they’ve been deprived for so long—that some other people out there are getting favours and privileges that they’ve been denied.

But judging by the mass hysteria, the wailing and the gnashing of teeth, the recriminations, the denial and incredulity—my guess is that the lesson will not be learned.

cinnamonk's avatar

@Kropotkin I hadn’t realized how privileged I was to actually care about the fact that Trump has been accused of rape (by more than one person!) and has bragged about molesting women.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@Kropotkin . I don’t think the majority of those voters did much thinking at all. They probably weren’t even aware of his history, or agendas.

They were concerned about abortion, immigration ‘issues,’ gay marriage, and many were openly ‘pro white.’(racist)

Others were subservient house wives who played their part of obedience, most likely haven’t heard an opinion other than their stupid husband, who gets his info from Glenn Beck while chugging Bud Lights on the way home from work.

JLeslie's avatar

They voted for Bill Clinton. People ignore what they want if they like the candidates other qualities.

Most of the women I know including myself hear what he said about woman letting him touch them and think he is just another asshole who will try. Try, and try. He isn’t going to do anything if you don’t let him. Like I said, he’s an asshole guy, and because he has power and money it makes it worse, but there are plenty of guys like that who have very little money and power. It’s a type.

The Mexican you mentioned who voted for him probably came here legally, sweated about doing all her documents the right way for INS/ICE, and maybe even knows a lot of macho men just like Trump and she was taught to push those men off when they try. If she is a pro-life Catholic she might hate Hillary for supporting abortion. Who knows. Lots of reasons she might have preferred Trump.

@Seek I think a lot of people would argue that about Bernie supporters. Interesting.

@MrGrimm888 Latinos in FL should never be grouped in with Latinos in other parts of the country. They are mostly Cuban here. Cubans are historically Republican, they don’t have immigration issues like other Latinos (not yet anyway) and many currently are not fond of Obama loosening trade with Cuba.

MooCows's avatar

Women were not going to trade their yoga pants in
for a pants suit!

Seek's avatar

It’s a suit. Just a suit.

cinnamonk's avatar

@Seek lol. We never talk about men wearing “pants suits,” do we?

josie's avatar

The big checkbook? The private jet?
It can’t hurt. Even in the enlightened 21st century.

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