Is the problem with pole dancing or the perception of pole dancing the reason minors should not do it?

Nah. I’m thinking friction burns are the major deterrent.

I would be on board if you simply asked a question that addresses the necessity of 8 year olds being offered pole dancing classes thinly veiled as an athletic activity and I would have a lot to say about that. But since you were surfing this subject matter and you employed the words children and then “especially girls” in your OP and that coupled with some of your previous questions and comments only reinforces my belief your membership in the pervy club is up to date and paid in full and will take a pass on commenting any further.

There’s a sexual element to pole dancing that makes me think it isn’t really suitable for kids.

@Cruiser I would be on board if you simply asked a question that addresses the necessity of 8 year olds being offered pole dancing classes thinly veiled as an athletic activity…]
It was that type pf thinking that intrigued me to read the whole article. What indicates it is a thinly veiled anything? If pole dancing never showed its face in a gentlemen’s club or strip joint would be seen as something sinister?

But since you were surfing this subject matter..]
Since you have been one of the more reasonable Flutheronians here, I am not going to think you are pulling a BuzzFeed and simply missed some details. I was not surfing for the article, it was linked to other pages same as gruesome murders, celebrity whatever, how to use herbs to replicate Viagra and many other content.

[.. coupled with some of your previous questions and comments only reinforces my belief your membership in the pervy club is up to date and paid in full…]
If I were to use the same measuring stick against your fervent support of Trump and say your redneck card was paid in full, you would call me wrong, because you supporting Trump doesn’t make you a redneck does it? Neither does reading an article I did not create nor post to the Web makes me anything but a reader, which is why they put it out there.

@flutherother There’s a sexual element to pole dancing that makes me think it isn’t really suitable for kids.
Because it simply is a pole or because what people want to make the pole to be? If one wanted they could add a sexual component to bananas and cucumbers, but they are in the end merely food objects.

It’s absolutely perception and its association.

Taken out of any cultural meaning—it’s just a pole. A pole is neutral. It’s just another piece of equipment or tool that one can use for exercise.

The “sexual element” as @flutherother mentioned, is the cultural association imparted on pole dancing. That’s entirely perception. There’s nothing inherently sexual about—

Okay. Scratch that. Yeah. Children pole dancing? That’s so fucking wrong. Jesus.

Since pole dancing is something I know very little about, I checked the Wikipedia entry They say that pole dancing is catching on as a form of exercise and as a dance form. Based on the article, it seems that pole dancing will separate itself from the more sexually suggestive moves.

Both the waltz and the tango were originally thought of as immoral.

We get it. You’re into little girls.

Interesting answer @LostInParadise You too @Hypocrisy_Central “a If pole dancing never showed its face in a gentlemen’s club or strip joint would be seen as something sinister?”

Perhaps we should petition the OC to add pole dancing to the Gymnastics All Around competition to help remove the stigma of pole dancing as a provocative and salacious endeavor.

^^ We get it.
I think I get it, redacted is alive and well in some Flutheronians.

@Cruiser Perhaps we should petition the OC to add pole dancing to the Gymnastics All Around competition to help remove the stigma of pole dancing as a provocative and salacious endeavor.
It is not its position, but people’s condition. If the thought of it is not to see it as merely a pole in which something is created around, it could be in the Vatican and still be seen as sinister. It, in a way, would be the same mindset that some had that African Americans were 1/5 human, it did not matter that the government drafted papers and enacted laws to say different, those who thought that did in spite of what the official paper says, it was how they were going to perceive it.

It’s not the pole that’s the problem, it’s what is done with it in pole dancing. It is sexually explicit as it is meant to arouse a crowd. Just like stripping, where people take off their clothes. Are you going to tell me clothes are just clothes?

The pole has for so long been a phallic cultural symbol of the masculine and fertility, that there are all types of subconscious reasons we shouldn’t want our 8 year old girls dancing on them.

^^ Are you going to tell me clothes are just clothes?
When the fat hits the skillet, 98.9% of clothes are just that, clothes. What people make of them is what perception a sweater, a mini skirt, or even a bikini is perceived, but in the end they are just sewn pieces of cloth.

@Hypocrisy_Central _ in the end they are just sewn pieces of cloth._

Sewn pieces of cloth carry a lot of symbolism. Semaphore flags are sewn pieces of cloth that represent particular letter, depending upon the way they’re displayed or manipulated. Clothing is also sewn pieces of cloth. No matter how utilitarian or nonconformist one might be, there are all types of subconscious symbolism and social mores reflected in what we wear and how we wear it. The wedding ring is a good example. It’s “just” a piece of metal in a circle on someone’s finger, but the deeper symbol is a phallus in the lingam, or the old fertility rituals.

^ Clothing is also sewn pieces of cloth. No matter how utilitarian or nonconformist one might be, there are all types of subconscious symbolism and social mores reflected in what we wear and how we wear it
That is part of the point, it is humans who decide by their idea or comfort level if it is just a pair of jeans with the legs cut off or a pair of titillating Daisy Dukes. The clothes are just clothes, it is man who makes it something else.

Well you know, humans did invent clothing. :/

@Hypocrisy_Central it is man who makes it something else.

I’m not denying that. You used “man”, as a collective noun, meaning mankind in general. It’s more about individual cultures. In certain cultures, to use the incorrect hand to eat would be extremely insulting to my host. In some cultures, a woman’s bare breast has no sexual connotations. But that same manner of clothing would have a completely different meaning in a restaurant in France, or an amusement park in Texas. To be sure, choice of clothing style is can be an individual expression, but it is always perceived within cultural context.