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Is the sexism never going to end?

Asked by Dutchess_III (46812points) January 27th, 2017

I was in the car listening to my radio. Ad came on for a local bank. It was bragging, in some way, about their services for their debit / credit card.
The ad announcer says, “How many times a day do you use your debit card? Me, maybe twice a day. My wife? That card is smokin’

WTH?

Rick and I watched an old, old colorized movie last night from 1954, called magnificent Obsession.(1954_film) Had Jane Wyman and Rock Hudson in it.
Without going too deep into the film, Rock Hudson’s character was pushy, trying to get this woman to go out with him. Wouldn’t take no for an answer. Kept after her and after her. Then she went blind and he snuck into her life, without her realizing who it was. It was all stalky and reeked of sexual harassment. It was creepy to me.
The thing is, that wasn’t viewed as abnormal behavior back in the day. In fact, I was so raised with it that I wouldn’t have viewed it as abnormal either, until recently. Like, in the last 15 years. I mean, I’d know it was creepy, but that’s “just the way things are.”
When I made a comment, along the lines of what a creep he was being Rick was genuinely surprised. Didn’t know what I was referring to. He didn’t see anything wrong with the guy’s behavior. He just couldn’t see it from my POV.
He wisely didn’t push it though.
And also, Rock Hudson’s character keeps falling down in front of Jane Wyman so she would rush to his rescue.

Is it ever going to end?

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ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

When you stop ruminating over it. There is all kinds of sexism of this type relating to guys too and it’s not going away because a good bit of it is true and also somewhat benign. Actual discrimination is not something we are talking about here. A 1954 film and a banking ad? Really?
A little ribbing between the sexes is not going away and it shouldn’t. I certainly don’t want to live in a world that uptight.

CWOTUS's avatar

No. Will some women never stop complaining about it?~

Dutchess_III's avatar

I only mention the film because it blew me away @ARE_you_kidding_me. It hit me that that really was just the way things were then, and into the 60’s and 70’s. I see so much now, especially in older films, which I’ve even seen before, and didn’t think twice about, that just floors me today.

Seek's avatar

I had to point out the lyrics to a Faith No More sing my hubby was singing one day. He’s all “isn’t this song great?” And I’m like, “That’s literally all the things dudes say in bars that make us pretend to be gay or taken.”

The song

Dutchess_III's avatar

Excellent @Seek! But I never pretended to be gay. Somehow I don’t think that would put them off. Quite the contrary, I think.

Brian1946's avatar

@Dutchess_III

There’s a scene in a TV comedy I watch where some misogynist comes on to a woman.

She rejects him. He says, “You must be a lesbian.” She replies, “I am as of now”.

tinyfaery's avatar

Nope. Stereotypes are persistent because of confirmation bias and lack of critical thinking skills. Until the day people stop using short cuts to thinking sexism/racism/ageism/classism/heteronormativity will exist. So…never.

Pachy's avatar

Sadly, no. So long as there are human beings, there will be prejudice. It’s buried In our DNA.

Dutchess_III's avatar

@tinyfaery It’s the thoughtlessness that slays me. “It’s a well known fact that women spend more money, and on more fluff, than men.” Bullshit.

ucme's avatar

All that & Rock turned out to be gay, waste of time flirting with girls in the first place.

chyna's avatar

I saw a headline today on Yahoo news that said actor Melissa McCarthy lost a lot of weight and “now she is gorgeous.” Only because she lost weight. Apparently she was ugly before.
If a male lost a lot of weight I guarantee the headline would not say “and now he is handsome.”

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

Never. Alot of it is real, some of it is perception, and some of it is pure petulence. You can’t do anything about other people’s perception of things, and you can’t control petulence—except raise children to become better adults. But you certainly can do something about the uninvited grabbing of pussies and sexual discrimination.

stanleybmanly's avatar

I must be remembering the plot differently. I thought Hudson’s character was an irresponsible playboy who on one of his binges runs over Wyman, causing her either blindness or paralysis. I can’t remember which. Anyway, the tragedy so effects Hudson that he straightens up and turns his personality 180 degrees. He goes into medicine and spends the rest of the movie trying to fix Wyman. Gotta check out the plot now.

Brian1946's avatar

@stanleybmanly

I think you’re right about that.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Yes, that’s the plot. Not sure about running over Wyman. He got into a jet boat accident becasue of his arrogance. To treat him they borrowed some….medical machine from a doctor who lived on the lake.
Well, then the Dr. had a heart attack and needed the machine but they were using it to treat Rock. And the Dr. died.
I’m not sure where her blindness came from.

@stanleybmanly if you watch the movie again, try to see it from a woman’s POV.

kritiper's avatar

Not in it’s entirety, no.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Probably around the same time that men in commercials stop being portrayed as bumbling idiots who can’t competently manage anything more complicated than mowing the lawn.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Seek

Bleh. The shittiest song (well, tied with ‘Epic’) on the shittiest Mike Patton-era Faith No More album.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Thanks for reminding me about the dead doc, the boat & that Wyman went blind without Hudson’s help. The one thing that I do recall strongly is that the film was a real soaper. There were a bunch of em, and there was one on TNC just yesterday with Wyman & Hudson again. It’s the one where he’s Wyman’s handyman/gardener. He of course is younger (and prettier) than she, and as they predictably fall in love, she is concerned about what her social circle will think about her cougaring the gardener. SO trite.

Sneki95's avatar

It will end only when we become sexless/genderless. In other words, when there are no differences between “male/man” and “female’woman”, and we all start living, behaving and existing in identical manner. Considering that is never going to happen, we’ll all have to simply deal with sexism. We can decrease it, but it will never go away. As long as there are differences, prejudice will exist as well.

stanleybmanly's avatar

I don’t think of those films as sexist, but they certainly do reflect the prevailing attitudes of their day.

Dutchess_III's avatar

It was as painful and frustrating for women then, as it is today. People are listening today, though.

Pachy's avatar

Just watched “Magnificent Obsession” and All That Heaven Allows”’ again last night. Terribly dated in movieness yet dealing with issues we grapple with today.

Wonderful to see Hudson and Wyman in their primes.

They were young—he in his 20s, she in her 30s, but the age diff didn’t matter; they both looked like grownups in that ‘50s Hollywood way. Rock was almost painfully handsome (I kept thinking he would have made a great Superman-Clark Kent) and she was Hollywood-lovely, but somehow a bit of realness came through all the makeup and perfect hair.

Unofficial_Member's avatar

What if the advertisement used realistic generalization? What if they were supported by a statistics that shows 80% of heavy debit/credit card users are women? If yes, then they have every right to make that comment.

I don’t think sexism will ever end. Reduced? Yes. End? No. The smartest way we can do is to make use of sexism for our own benefits.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Yes, then it would be OK. Then it would be funny. But it’s just like the BS that men are better drivers than women. Statistics show THAT is not true.
I just think people need to be aware of their utterly casual, insulting stereotypes.
I know. I’ll call that bank and bitch.

Blondesjon's avatar

Anything we have ever assigned an ‘ism’ to is never going to end. Such is the power of the suffix.

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