In the 2020 Presidential elections would you support a Warren/ Clinton ticket, or would you support a Sanders/Warren ticket more (or maybe less)?

I would love to support either of those tickets. My favorite permutation personally would be Warren/Sanders.

Yes.

Although right now my hope is for Caroline Kennedy/Kamala Harris.

Clinton and Sanders will be pretty old by 2020. Better to have someone younger to energize the younger voters. They should remember to address voters who have poor job prospects too.

It’s far too early to speculate about 2020 but I believe that both Sanders and Clinton have had their shots and will be out of the running.

I am not a huge fan of either Sanders or Warren for various reasons, but I would happily support them against another Trump administration.

Both of the offered combos are too old to my way of thinking.

A Clinton anything ticket would be stupid beyond belief given the voters’ demonstrated aversion to her.

Personally I think both the Democrats and Republicans should be abolished on grounds of thorough corporate corruption.

Warren is great when she’s on a roll about some issue, but isn’t 100% corruption-hostile enough for my tastes.

Tulsi Gabbard 2020 seems like the best bet at this point.

@Zaku I used to live in Tulsi’s district. You have no clue what you’re wishing for.

I never heard of Tulsi. Who is this person?

I’m hoping some other people enter the playing field.

I’d still love to have had Hillary as President, but she will be getting older, and I don’t like Warren.

Neither, Warren is a nutcase and Sanders is just too old (aside from his socialist tendencies being a big concern). Clinton is not an option for me, she’s the reason Trump was elected. The DEM’s need to introduce options that are palatable, none of these tickets are appealing, at least to me. Peace

@Rarebear Tulsi Gabbard is the US Representative from Hawaii’s 2nd district.

Saunders will be 79. Too old for my liking.

I voted for Clinton in this election because I felt that we needed to move closer to the center of the spectrum, and I (mistakenly?) thought that Clinton was a good compromise. I have been watching the rage boiling on the far right and that concerns me. If Obama was too progressive for a large portion of Americans, surely Bernie would be the stuff of nightmares, though he also seems to be what a lot of Americans want. I believe in compromise, both because it’s usually the right thing to do, but also because I believe it’s the rational thing to do. That was true in the 2016 election and I expect it will be true in 2020, but I don’t really know what to expect in 2020 because I don’t believe that this is going to be a normal administration and I suspect that they will use our frustrations against us. I have had worries for a long time that our social climate is growing more and more hostile and I don’t think that pulling harder to one extreme is the solution, so I don’t think that I would support either ticket if a more moderate option were available, but yes I would always vote Democrat over a candidate from the religious right or at this point, the “alt-right.”

Sanders is too old. If Warren runs for president, I would support for VP just about any Democrat with sufficient government experience. Ordinarily nobody votes on the basis of who the VP is, though Sarah Palin, as an extreme case, may have scared off potential McCain voters.

I think the world in general is pulling far left, and it’s high time for the puritan US to catch up.

Young people aren’t voting, and it’s not because the current crop of politicians aren’t conservative enough. It’s because they feel NONE of the current crop speaks for them, or has their ideas or interests at heart.

The last thing we need is to ignore the youth in favor of the crotchety, aging, uneducated religious vote.

@Seek I think that most of the far left feels that the majority is with them, but I also think we are ignoring a lot of people in the middle to our detriment. At least, that is my perspective as a person in a swing state who knows a lot of moderates. I think most people are leaning left but not as far left as a lot of my Democrat friends and family seem to think. I am really hopeful that young people will come forward and be more active in politics, I think that would be a great thing for the Democratic party and for progressive Americans, but I am worried about what is happening socially, not just who wins elections.

@zenvel Caroline Kennedy is a terrible speaker/ campaigner. She will need a lot of help there. I could see Warren/Kennedy, and that would be a dream ticket.

Sanders will be 79 in 2020. Clinton will be 73 but she will always be younger than the popular-vote loser.

If Bernie’s still in decent health, I’d vote for Warren/Sanders over Warren/Clinton.

However, I’d prefer a Warren/Jeff Merkley ticket. Merkley is a US Senator from Oregon and was the first Senate member to support Bernie for President. He’ll turn 64 in 2020.

I could see a Warren/Cory Booker ticket too. He is an up and comer in the party. I think they may want a Hispanic candidate though – perhaps a liberal Westerner?

The attempt to court moderates this election failed miserably. People chose not to cast a vote at all rather than choose between Trump and Clinton. If they’re not willing to go as liberal as Clinton (who’s, let’s be honest, barely even a Democrat) we’re courting far too right as it is.

I’ve been voting since 2004, and I’m fucking beyond tired of voting for “at least it’s not That Guy”, because in that time, “That Guy” has gotten exponentially worse, and so have the “at least” people.

I’m trying to climb out of a sand hole and I’m goddamn sick of it.

To those who say Sanders and Clinton will be too old, Trump is the oldest POTUS yet, he may not even run a second term and if he did he might be the first POTUS to pass away in the Oval Office. If he can run at his age, I do not think others would be barred from running because they are way south of 50.

@Seek I think the world in general is pulling far left, and it’s high time for the puritan US to catch up.
Is that a real and earnest statement, or is that said tongue in cheek?

@Seek Surprisingly, I’m with HC on this one. I see the world getting more reactionary and far right, than far left. Far left was tried, and failed, quite spectacularly. Neoliberalism was tried and was highly successful, but ended up being crushed by its own weight, deregulation, and the lack of distribution of wealth. The current far right trend is a reaction to that.

I agree with @Rarebear, even if it’s not the majority, I see it heading in that direction.

I think that failing to “court moderates” through the election was only one failure, we continue to ignore them and their perspectives and I don’t think that we are doing ourselves any favors. Everyone who isn’t a hardcore Democrat gets lumped in with Fox News junkies. At this point, I see anyone who isn’t a Trump fan as my ally. The rest can be discussed later, but I feel much more inclined to reach across this growing divide to meet hands with people who are “too far right” than to keep pushing them to the right who are waiting with welcome arms.

I feel like I’m negotiating with terrorists.

@Seek do you mean by engaging with non-liberals? I don’t know, some of the best people I know are Trump supporters. I don’t agree with them, but they’re good people. They aren’t hateful, they certainly aren’t nazis, they’re mostly blue collar hard working people trying to make a living and take care of their family just like everyone else. But, I’m not even talking about Trump supporters, I’m talking about the majority of people who didn’t vote or who were unhappy with their options. I made the mistake of thinking it was because of the opposition to progressive politics (which I think is a big part of it, especially a fear of socialism/communism, but it’s not the whole picture.) It’s not that Clinton was too progressive, it’s that people believe that she’s corrupt, and people were tired of the same shit coming out of Washington that does little to help the people in the middle. I live in an area that has been economically depressed for my entire life, jobs are scarce, poverty is high and it’s a swing state, so politicians love to come here and make big promises and a lot of people are sick of hearing the same smooth talk over and over again while they struggle to find work. If you’re poor, you can get assistance. If you work hard, you can’t get assistance, but you can barely scrape by and watch your neighbors who don’t work live a better life than you. I’m not suggesting that I’m against assistance (far from it), but it’s also not hard at all to see how people can feel jaded and let down and eventually desperate for something different. The shit that spews from religious Fox News’ viewers is toxic, but I don’t believe for one second that they represent the majority of Americans. I just also think that it may be an illusion that if they aren’t the majority, we are, and I’m not so sure that’s accurate.

@Seek “I feel like I’m negotiating with terrorists.”

What do you mean by this?

Ugh. What’s the point. This is exhausting.

I just hope I can leave this shitty, awful, disgusting, disheartening place before I’m too old to enjoy a decent civilisation.

Sign me up for Warren/Biden 2020.

@johnpowell Yes, that is one possibility I would get behind but I imagine for Joe, it might have to be Biden?Warren.

I was sort of ordering on age. If the V.P. kicks the bucket the President picks a new V.P.

So age shouldn’t be a factor for V.P.

I just don’t think he’d go for being VP again if he runs. I love Biden but I wonder if someone younger for VP makes more sense.

@Seek The point is you wrote it, and I was wondering if you were comparing me to a terrorist. That’s all.

@Rarebear Surprisingly, I’m with HC on this one. I see the world getting more reactionary and far right, than far left.
I see the world has swung far left for 3–4 decades now, but like real estate and the stock market, it corrects itself, so the swing right, to me is a correction of things. I was baffled by her comment because she seemed to abhor many if not most of the attributes of the right, which tend to be conservative or traditionalist.

And now I disagree with you. The world has swung to the right for many years. Neoliberalism is the primary economic force of the world and that is in its essence a free market conservative economic point of view.

@Rarebear The world has swung to the right for many years.
I was focusing more on the US, where ”right” is for the rest of the world I am sure is not exactly the same ”right” as in the US.

I can’t think of a scenario where I would support Hillary…

I’d rather her be POTUS instead of Trump,but that’s not because I support her. Plus. That ship has sailed….

What I mean, @Rarebear, is that instead of getting a candidate into office I actually wanted to fucking vote for for the first time in my entire life, we’ve all been thrust into a scenario where even actual liberals are saying “OMG NOT HIM ANYONE BUT HIM” that they’ll actually accept anyone but him.

It’s brilliant, really. The goddamn tea party only had to fly one crazy-ass facist for moderates and Democrats to start proclaiming that sure, they’ll take whatever so-called-Moderate they can get Republicans and “Moderates” to vote for as long as it’s not Literally Hitler. Forgetting, of course, that the Real Republicans and “Moderates” are literally letting this fuckwad do whatever the hell he wants to and gleefully promoting his cabinet picks at the same time.

I have “moderates” in quotes because any European will tell you that even American Democrats are so far right they hardly earn the name.

Baby. Bathwater.

@Seek – Canadians and Europeans.

American Democrats are so far right on the international political spectrum that they can barely see the centre. It was shocking to watch the drift.

@BellaB I agree with you that the Democratic Party has gone quite far to the center or right and the right has become far right. But countries such as Britain and France are drifting to the right too now. I don’t see this so-called populist movement as only an American phenomenon. It’s possible that Le Pen might win in France. And Canada did have Stephan Harper. And there is Netanyahu in Israel. I’m seeing a world wide drift to the right which is not defending America in any way. My only hope is Hegelian.

@Seek Got it. I agree with you that the Democratic party has moved to the center (you say to the far right but I disagree with that part). Clinton was a neoliberal, which is, at its heart a centrist economic philosophy. Far right is a statist government controlled economy.

Britain’s drift toward the right is just that. A drift. It’s left of centre parties are still to the left. They have not moved right of centre as the American Democrats have. Similarly the French still have several left of centre parties.

@janbb , Canada has bounced back slightly from the disaster of Harper. Trudeau is still too far right for my taste but he is not right of the global political spectrum centre.