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o0's avatar

Chaos or order?

Asked by o0 (222 points ) February 13th, 2009

I’m sure you understand the question… what’s the answer?

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Jayne's avatar

Chaos, by default of entropy. Now can you tell me what I just answered?

marinelife's avatar

I choose to impose order on chaos, at least as a construct.

Blondesjon's avatar

The cycles of nature alone speak of some type of order.

Or is this just a special attachment humans place on events to achieve a sense of “time and place”?

Remember: Chaos theory is still about a pattern we can’t quite see…

DrBill's avatar

The answer is: Chaos is order.

Bluefreedom's avatar

Chaotic orderliness.

tinyfaery's avatar

Chaos. We impose the order, and that order is different for everyone.

steve6's avatar

Order is just an illusion.

Blondesjon's avatar

@BluefreedomThat would be an awesome band name.

o0's avatar

Entropy is change—loss—sway—slipping away. Breath in life—one less breath till death!

TaoSan's avatar

Chaos, definitely!

eponymoushipster's avatar

From Chaos Order.

KrystaElyse's avatar

I find order in chaos.

Blondesjon's avatar

@steve6…So the question should be, “Chaos or Illusion”?

TaoSan's avatar

considering the keywords I doubt the mathematical model is the question here :)

o0's avatar

@TaoSan the question still stands. either math is meaningless; or it is everything; or… both.

p.s. I’m glad you picked up on the tags

Jeruba's avatar

Give in to the chaos, and the order will emerge.

So says a friend of mine.

Myself, I like my chaos just the way it is. Too much order is stifling and oppressive.

toomuchcoffee911's avatar

Organized chaos

When I was little I thought that chaos was pronounced “chows” for the longest time. Even now sometimes I make that mistake.

Blondesjon's avatar

…and once you truly answer this question don’t you bliss put like some Tibetan monk?

o0's avatar

@toomuchcoffee911 Chows is the random devouring of the universe by an absolutely evil and saintly worm. (who is actually eating himself… the self devourer.)

TaoSan's avatar

okay…. still chaos….

toomuchcoffee911's avatar

Thanks for clearing that up for me…

dynamicduo's avatar

Chaos. Then, my imposed order. Then, my imposed chaos. Repeat.

Jayne's avatar

You forgot to rinse and wash.

steelmarket's avatar

I prefer CONTROL over CHAOS.
But then I’ve been a fan of Max for years.

o0's avatar

Order in chaos… chaos is order… order… chaos… I see a pattern already.

Jayne's avatar

There’s your answer, then: Fluther is order.

o0's avatar

* i just noticed that fluther changes my ellipses… incorrectly!

http://www.typeandglyph.com/2009/02/dot-dot-dot/… for an explanation of ellipses.

loser's avatar

Can I choose some grey area in between?

Blondesjon's avatar

@loseri think the gray area between chaos and order is life

Bluefreedom's avatar

@Blondesjon. I thought the gray matter/area was what was in our skulls. Maybe mine is rainbow colored?

loser's avatar

@Bluefreedom I think mine is plaid.

Bluefreedom's avatar

@loser. Even better!

Blondesjon's avatar

@loser…So is tartar sauce!

fireside's avatar

Chaos
draos
dreos
odres
odrer
Order

o0's avatar

Don’t let this conversation die… we are so close to finding the truth. so far the consensus is that chaos is a mix up of order; which is to say that order is really just chaos.

robmandu's avatar

Are we talking about the novels by L.E. Modesitt, Jr.?

steelmarket's avatar

How much order is necessary to destroy chaos? And how much chaos is necessary to destroy order?

Can they mix, like water and sugar? Or just co-exist, like water and oil? Or do they exist in such pure forms that they cannot co-exist, like matter and antimatter?

fireside's avatar

Nature is subjected to an absolute organization, to determined laws, to a complete order and a finished design, from which it will never depart—to such a degree, indeed, that if you look carefully and with keen sight, from the smallest invisible atom up to such large bodies of the world of existence as the globe of the sun or the other great stars and luminous spheres, whether you regard their arrangement, their composition, their form or their movement, you will find that all are in the highest degree of organization and are under one law from which they will never depart.

But when you look at Nature itself, you see that it has no intelligence, no will. For instance, the nature of fire is to burn; it burns without will or intelligence. The nature of water is fluidity; it flows without will or intelligence. The nature of the sun is radiance; it shines without will or intelligence. The nature of vapor is to ascend; it ascends without will or intelligence.

Abdu’l-Baha, Some Answered Questions

Sakata's avatar

I would assume that you can’t have one without the other so it’s just a big circle, but I personally like it when the chaos half is around.

Jayne's avatar

It would appear that one Abdu’l-Baha has not been reading up on his quantum theory.

critter1982's avatar

orderly chaos

augustlan's avatar

Judging from my desk, chaos.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

There is no answer. It’s a paradox.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@augustlan that would be my answer as well. Of course, finding something on a chaotic desk is easier than on an orderly desk, why is that?

augustlan's avatar

Messy desk = orderly mind? I think I’m gonna’ go with that! :)

Jeruba's avatar

Why is that? Because…because…because if your desk is orderly, you put your trust in the order and not in yourself; whereas when it is chaotic, you must actively maintain an awareness of the relative position of things and be keenly attuned to visual cues and memory tags; and these are more reliable than the constancy of abstract systems.

Jeruba's avatar

Besides, if your desk is orderly, the thing you want probably isn’t on it. Whereas everything is on mine.

Johnny_Rambo's avatar

Without human interference, chaos and order work hand in hand and are quite the pair.

nebule's avatar

I just need a desk to begin with :-(

Jack79's avatar

I am very orderly, but somehow creative and non-conformist as well. I think you need the balance. A context of order within which chaos can flourish.

fireside's avatar

@Jayne – What part of the quote is in opposition to Quantum theory?

DrBill's avatar

Chaos is order. if everything was ordered, no compounds could exist, therefore making life imposable. Chaos is just a name given to the randomness of orderly mixing of the elements and the resulting blend of compounds.

Jayne's avatar

@fireside; The bit about the ‘smallest invisible atom’ being orderly. Quantum theory states that objects on the scale of atoms are governed by probability rather than causation, meaning that future behavior cannot, on a very fundamental level, be extrapolated from current behavior; in fact, you can’t even know what that current behavior is. This, presumably, is the epitome of chaos rather than of order.

fireside's avatar

@Jayne – sure, but the fact that they are governed by causality is similar to saying that water flows without intelligence. The composition and the behavior are not equivalent.

The composition of the water (in theory, let’s not muddy the water with particulates) stays the same regardless of the its unknown path.

wundayatta's avatar

Order in the court; Chaos on Saturday morning cartoons.

Vinifera7's avatar

Chaotic Neutral

Blondesjon's avatar

@Vinifera7careful your nerd is showing

Hey…wait a minute…If I say that it means that I, too, am versed in Dungeons and Dragons.

Shit! My cover is blown! Game over man!

Unless…i can make this saving throw against my coolness attribute…has anyone seen my 2d20?

Jayne's avatar

Sorry man, but no dice.

Vinifera7's avatar

@Blondesjon
I’ve actually never played D&D. I just wanted to see if anyone would get that reference. You fell directly into my trap! Muahahaha!

Blondesjon's avatar

@Vinifera7…Not if I make my DC 20 saving throw against your trap. I must warn you, I have a +15 reflex modifier.

rattle…rattle…rattle…....toss

shit

Sakata's avatar

Really hammerin’ in that nerd nail, huh?

Vinifera7's avatar

Don’t blame me. He did it himself.

Anatelostaxus's avatar

the merging of both in balance.
(duality, mate… duality)

Loried2008's avatar

chaos is fun ^-^

lillycoyote's avatar

I prefer order thank you, with a side of chaos.

Yetanotheruser's avatar

Even within chaos is a bit of order, as is a little of chaos within order

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