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justus2's avatar

Do you think he will go to jail or OR'd?

Asked by justus2 (851 points ) May 27th, 2009

My fiance is a registered sex offender from a few years back when he went pee behind a bar. Now he registered with our new address March 9th this year, but he was calling today to ask a question and they said he has an arrest warrant for failure to register, well when he called the original county it happened in they said in their system he is completely compliant, so he called the courts here back and they said he has to go in for an interview on Friday and see if he can get off on his own recognance or something, then he called metro here and the lady said I am so sorry this is happening and updated his info. but still said he has to go in on Friday for his interview, if he takes his paper in showing he is registered and when he registered and everything will this whole thing get cleared up?

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ragingloli's avatar

wait..do i get this right, he was registered as a sex offender for peeing behind a bar?

RedPowerLady's avatar

I don’t think they want to put him in jail. So if he shows that he followed the law and was compliant. AND if he is not rude to them I honestly believe they will let him off. I would tell your hubby to relax and just assume it’ll go well. If, for some odd reason, it does not then you can get a public service lawyer and they should be able to clear it up for you.

justus2's avatar

@ragingloli yes he is registered as a sex offender for going pee behind a bar

ragingloli's avatar

that is seriously fucked up. he should contest this whole thing.
seriously, where i live, peeing in public is merely an infraction and may bring a 20€ fine. but a sexual offence? that is sick

justus2's avatar

@ragingloli unfortunately there would be no point in that for at least 7 years which is minimum registry for registerable offenses, and indecent exposure is a registerable offense

MacBean's avatar

@ragingloli That’s why I have mixed feelings about sex offender registries. A lot of people automatically assume that “registered sex offender” means “child molester.” And there are a lot of people who just took a leak. One of my cousin’s friends is stuck with this on his record because he got drunk and peed in a bush near a church during the Wednesday night women’s group and someone happened to look out the window and got all offended.

justus2's avatar

@MacBean I completely agree with you, I never judge someone just because they are a registered sex offender because of that, also mooning someone and a lot of cases are where someone 18 or 19 dates like a 16–17 year old, just too many things that can lead to registry other than rape, now just curious do you have an answer to my original question? lol good answer to let ragingloli know though that you have dealt with almost the same situation only a different spot

westy81585's avatar

Sexual offender registries are stupid and need to be repealed for a litany of reason, your fiance’s case being a prime example.

Anyways though, go to the meeting, because if he doesn’t they’ll come looking for him and they won’t be happy. He’s got that paper, it sounds like he can call and confirm with the lady…. heck if I was the cop or whoever he has to talk to when I saw he was on the damn thing for peeing in public I’d probably say “ya know what, you’re fine” .

justus2's avatar

@westy81585 I agree. I also think they are stupid because once you go to prison and whatever else you need to do as far as maybe probation or counseling and those things they require I I think you should be able to live your life without having to permanently register and have everyone look down upon you when you have done your time.

justus2's avatar

@ragingloli Yea well I am pretty sure in most states if not all of them if they want to they can make anyone who pees in public register

Blondesjon's avatar

He went to prison for peeing behind a bar?

oratio's avatar

I wonder how many cats and rabbits the US has registered as sex offenders. Since many of them are racists as well, this would make sense.

justus2's avatar

@Blondesjon he didn’t go to prison when it originally happened but they gave him indecent exposure and he now has to register

Tink's avatar

Out of curiosity what is OR’d?

justus2's avatar

@Tink1113 they would let him go on his own recognance

Tink's avatar

Oh thanks I was wondering what it was ;-)

westy81585's avatar

Yah, the kicker is there are people who have literally killed people (man slaughter AND murder) who are out of jail and free after serving their time. Where’s their registry? Most people don’t realize a life sentence is only 25 years. So convicted killers could be living right next door, and there’s no registry for that.

But heaven forbid you expose yourself in public cuz there’s a line for the bathroom.

Blondesjon's avatar

You all do realize that the majority of sexual offenders registered are actual sexual offenders?

It is not a giant list of misrepresented pissers.

westy81585's avatar

@Blondesjon The point is that we’re forcing people to pay for their crime past their incarceration/reparations/parole/what have you… Something we don’t even make KILLERS do. And not to nail the point home, but somewhere in the range of 30–40% of all sexual offenders committed none-rape offenses, and this isn’t counting statutory charges.

Not to mention, the whole idea behind this registry is so that parents can keep their children away from potential molesters… well figures show that children are molested/raped by strangers in less than 10% of cases. Usually it’s someone they know that’s doing it.

Sexual Offender registries are the product of “get tough on crime” politician BS that is the plague of our justice system.

Blondesjon's avatar

Can you actually verify your figures?

westy81585's avatar

@Blondesjon I’m doing laundry at the laundromat at the moment, but I’ll see if I can’t find my book from my prisons class (Criminology Minor) when I get home…. Those aren’t the EXACT numbers (my memory is only so good), but they’re in that range.

Blondesjon's avatar

As a parent I prefer to error on the side of caution.

if nothing else, at least you won’t be peeing on my kid

chyna's avatar

@Blondesjon I just looked quickly through the sexual predator register in my county. Out of the 22 I looked at: 1 was for assault on a minor male, related. 9 was on unrelated minors, 6 assaults on aged 6–12 year olds and 6 assaults on adult strangers. As a single female, I prefer to error on the side of caution.

justus2's avatar

@Blondesjon I am with you completely, I would get to know someone and if I found out they were registered I would find out what for before I judge them, and only if they raped someone would I not be ok with them.

westy81585's avatar

@Blondesjon hahahahaha Well in general I try not to pee on people anyways….

DarkScribe's avatar

For peeing behind a bar? There had to be more to it than that. Peeing in public attracts a public indecency charge, it isn’t a sexual offence. Exposing himself in public without an excuse like peeing could result in a sexual offence charge.

Where was this bar? Was he standing on it at the time?

westy81585's avatar

@DarkScribe Indecent exposure is a sexual offense in some areas (I know it isn’t in mine, but I have a friend who was hit with the same thing her fiance was).

blueknight73's avatar

i had a friend of mine who was drunk and got caught taking a pee between two cars at night time, in the dark after a county fair, and he was arrested and spent 10 years on the state sex offender list

justus2's avatar

@DarkScribe yes in nevada indecent exposure is registerable offense, and no there was no more to it than that

DarkScribe's avatar

The Bible uses the phrase “who pisseth against a wall” to describe men – differentiate them from women. I would love to be an advocate in a jurisdiction where they charged someone with a sexual offence for doing something Biblically accepted.

So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.
(I Samuel 25:22)

For in very deed, as the LORD God of Israel liveth, which hath kept me back from hurting thee, except thou hadst hasted and come to meet me, surely there had not been left unto Nabal by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.
(I Samuel 25:34)

And it came to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his throne, that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth against a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends.
(I Kings 16:11)

Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh
(I Kings 14:10)

Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel,
(I Kings 21:21)

For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel:
(II Kings 9:8)

chyna's avatar

Yes, there is a huge difference in peeing in public and sexually assualting a human being.
At best, a misdemeanor, punishable with a fine.

Jeruba's avatar

@DarkScribe, I’m not sure I’d take those quotes (none of which they ever read to us in Sunday school), as evidence that pissing in public is Biblically accepted. Sounds as though no good came to those folks who didn’t make it to the lavatory. In fact, it sounds as though God were singling them out for especially undesirable attention.

justus2's avatar

@chyna Again i will say this, I saw my fiance’s paperwork from the court when he got out of jail and yes it was from an indecent exposure from when he peed behind the bar

Zaku's avatar

Maybe ask the governor for a pardon? I wonder how many people think it’s sane to have pee-ers on a registered sex offender list.

augustlan's avatar

The sex offenders registry should be reserved for actual sex offenses. This is just ridiculous!

DarkScribe's avatar

@Jeruba I think that everyone God singled out came to no good. Even his son. I just like the fact that the Bible uses the expression to differentiate between the sexes. There were no public toilets in those days, you had to make do.

As for being publicly accepted, it was considered normal, and in a book devoted to accusation, blaming and damning for the slightest transgression, it was not remarked upon other than a fact of male life.

Lupin's avatar

@DarkScribe Unfortunately and incredibly in some states peeing on a wall or anywhere else in public for that matter is considered indecent exposure and that is considered a sex crime. There was recently a case in IL where a man stuck in traffic on the way home from work got out of his car and relived himself where he thought he would not be seen. He was reported and readily admitted to the offense. Now he too is a registered sex offender. Simple of that. You don’t have to flash yourself at a victim. Just the exposure of your naughty bits to sunshine will do it. Sad. What a waste of police resources and unnecessary grief.
Last time I checked, my equipment can only be used for one function at a time. Urination precludes arousal and vice versa.
@justus2 You and your fiance have my sympathies.

Lupin's avatar

@Blondesjon Just within the past month or so a 14 year old girl in Trenton NJ was charged with a sex crime for sending pix (sexting) of herself to her other underage friends using MySpace. She too will be on a sex offender list. I about fell off my chair when I saw the article.
Her phone should be taken away. She should be grounded for a month. Her computer should be taken away. But to be listed as a sex offender for 7 years? Seems a bit much to me.
I’d prefer to keep the SO list for “real” offenders. I guess society thinks we are too dumb to draw the line between truly dangerous and not.

wundayatta's avatar

Between 1980 and 1995 only 1/4th to 1/3rd of arrests for sex offenses were for rapes, according to Sex Offenses and Offenders, page 8, a Bureau of Justice publication. This means that between 2/3rds and 3/4ths of all sex offender arrests were for other sex offenses that do not involve force.

The chart on page 8 shows the number arrests for “forcible rapes” and “other sex offenses.” Other sex offenses include statutory rape and offenses against chastity, common decency, and morals. The number of forcible rape arrests remained fairly steady during this period, at around 30,000 per year, nationally. The number of non-forcible sex offenses, including peeing behind bars, ranged between 65 thousand and 120 thousand. All of these folks have to register.

Honestly, I don’t see how this helps society remain safer. It probably creates more recidivism than we’d otherwise have.

Lupin's avatar

@daloon Thank you for the research. I had a feeling the numbers were something like this but you showed the data. That makes the existing SO registry system seem even more pointless.
In NY, anyone who has sex before their 17th birthday is putting the partner at risk for statutory rape. Even if the sex was consensual! Ridiculous. How many lives are destroyed by that?
.

Lupin's avatar

That Dept of Justice report is full of interesting numbers and it is working from unbiased “Just the facts, Mam. Just the facts.” data.
Registration seems to be of even more dubious value when:
“Nearly 90% of the youngest victims of rape, those younger than 12, the offender
was someone known to them. Law enforcement agencies reported that family
members victimized 43% of these young victims ¾ about 4 times the proportion
found among victims age 30 or older (11%). About two-thirds of the victims age 18–29,
the largest age group of rape victims, had a prior relationship with the rapist, but
they were 7 times as likely to have been acquaintances (57%) as family members
(8%).”
If you are going to have a list it should be for violent offenders.

augustlan's avatar

I have to disagree with drawing the line at violence, and point out that most sex offenses committed against children do not include violence. Also, though I was sexually abused for 13 years by an uncle, he also molested strangers. His victims (including myself) were victims of circumstance. He took his opportunities where he found them. People like him should be on the list. Sadly, it didn’t exist at the time. He was hired repeatedly as a ‘maintenance man’ for apartment complexes… given a master key to every apartment in the complex! The list would have prevented that, or at least reduced the odds.

Lupin's avatar

I am sorry to hear that. I do hope he is long gone.
Oh I agree with you! I guess that is an example of why it is so hard to draw a line. But it just seems that the line is too far to one side. Who would you exclude? Do we agree the 14 year old girl sexting and the guy peeing in the woods are not sex offenders? The state says they are. What about two high school juniors who have sex but one is 17 and the other is 16. Do we really want to call the 17 year old a rapist?
I wonder how many people here were guilty of that one?
I’m guilty of peeing in the woods.

chyna's avatar

@justus2 I don’t doubt you in the least and I hope you didn’t take me that way. To say it differently, how stupid is it to be linked to a sex crime while just taking a leak. This law needs to be rewritten.

justus2's avatar

@chyna oh ok yes I thought you were saying what it is not what it should be, and I was like no he is a sex offender for peeing, and yes if it has to be anything no more than a misdemeanor, personally I think though it shouldnt be punishable because if you got to go you got to go

RedPowerLady's avatar

@westy81585 Not to mention, the whole idea behind this registry is so that parents can keep their children away from potential molesters… well figures show that children are molested/raped by strangers in less than 10% of cases. Usually it’s someone they know that’s doing it.

Sexual Offender registries are the product of “get tough on crime” politician BS that is the plague of our justice system.

I agree. GA!

RedPowerLady's avatar

Just to add to the discussion of who should and should not go on “the list”

There are ways of measuring what they call violent offenders. Or repeat offenders. If I were to support the “lists” I would say they should use that measurement tool (which they use already in counseling SO’s) to determine who gos on and who gos off the “list”.

Zaku's avatar

You can put them on the list, you can put them on the list, and they’ll none of them be missed, they’ll none of them be missed! (apologies to Gilbert and Sullivan) ;-)

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

All, a friend of mine got a registered sex offender sentence for pissing out behind his house in his own backyard. He was behind a bush, but right in plain sight of a neighbor woman looking out her patio door. No time for it, but it is on his record. If you are going to piss outside, don’t do it in Iowa.

avvooooooo's avatar

Indecent exposure can include peeing, but it can also include public masturbation and other things of that nature. Because of this, it should indeed be on the list of offenses that people are required to register for.

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