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Is it, "Smokey und die Bandit" or "Smokey und der Bandit"?

Asked by Spongbake (1 points ) July 28th, 2009

In Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey, our heroes meet Einstein and Benjamin Franklin in Heaven. They are playing charades with a Martian called Station, and Einstein initially thinks the answer is “Smokey und die/der Bandit” (the correct answer is actually the sequel, “Smokey IS the Bandit”.)

Is the German pronoun die Bandit or der Bandit?

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Sarcasm's avatar

I’m sure @ragingloli will pop up and correct me somehow, but…

der is the masculine “the” (while die is the feminine “the”). Burt Reynolds, and thus Bandit, is a male, so it should be der Bandit.

avalmez's avatar

yeah best left to someone who speaks german, but the gender of a noun i believe depends on the noun itself and so Burt being male does not mean Bandit is male itself. could be, but doesn’t necessarily follow

eponymoushipster's avatar

here’s it’s german wikipedia entry

it seems the title doesn’t even translate that way.

Sarcasm's avatar

@avalmez I’m not taking a total blind guess, I do understand gender rules of German, I have taken a year of it. I know it’s nowhere near native-speaker level (I mention ragingloli because he is German) but it’s something.

Human titles will have the appropriate gender. It’s just inanimate objects that have arbitrary genders (apples, boats, lamps). Bandit, in this case, will be masculine.
The problem, though, is that there are 4 different cases that “the” could be in: Nominative, Accusative, Dative and Genitive, depending on the sentence (For masculine: Der, den, dem, des, respectively). ”the present is heavy” would use a different the than “I bought the present for him” or “I like the present” even though the gender of present does not change.

It wouldn’t ever be die Bandit (unless it were feminine, or plural), but I don’t know for certain that it would be der Bandit.

avalmez's avatar

@Sarcasm hey, i wasnt suggesting you should leave it to someone who speaks german. in fact, i was disclaiming my response as one from a non-speaker (studied a couple of years in college but that was years ago). so my “best left to someone who speaks german” was my agreeing with your reference to ragingloli.

bhec10's avatar

I attended the German School of Lisbon for 14 years, so I’m 100% sure it’s “Smokey und der Bandit” since “der Bandit” means “thief” or “bandit”, like you mentioned in your details.
“Smokey und der Bandit” means “Smokey and the bandit”.

If you were to say “Smokey is the Bandit” you would say it in German like “Smokey ist der Bandit” (because “ist” is the verb “to be” in I-don’t-know-what-grammatical-tense).

avalmez's avatar

@bvdshec17 if the bandit is female, does it remain “der Bandit” or become “die Bandit”?

bhec10's avatar

@avalmez Well, I’ve never used the word “Bandit” in a phrase in all my student life before, however I’m pretty sure that it remains “the Bandit” because the word “Bandit” doesn’t have a feminine word in German, so yeah, it would be “Smokey und der Bandit” even if the bandit were a female.

cyn's avatar

DER.

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