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What parts from the book Lord of the Rings should have been included in the movies?

Asked by Berserker (33548points) February 24th, 2010

I’m reading it again, and there’s a lot of cool stuff in the book that never made it in the films.
That’s, of course, to be expected, you just can’t fit alla that in a film…but still, last time I read this I was 14, so it’s all like new again. There’s lots of cool things that I forgot, which weren’t in the movie.
(The old forest for example.)
So, what parts from the book did you like and think shoulda been in the movies, or at least, would have liked to see in movie form?

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frigate1985's avatar

When Aragorn shouted “Arwen vanimelda namarié!” or maybe the spelling’s wrong anyways it kind of showed those two’s relationship in a way.

Rag tag was funny.

The details regarding the Mines of Moria could be adjusted somewhat.

I wish they’d given more etails on the..the..battering ram :) it was cool.

Also, some more details regarding the Nazgûl’s characteristics…“fed of fowl meat….”

@hiphiphopflipflapflop hahaha agreed!!

PS : you should ask Seek_Kolinahr

Berserker's avatar

@frigate1985 Yeah. The Nazguls don’t even crawl in the movie. That creeps me out in the book.

tb1570's avatar

I would’ve liked to see Tom Bombadil.

ETpro's avatar

I liked the movies fine as they were presented. Not the same is the books,but what movie ever is? It’s a different medium.

Berserker's avatar

@ETpro Yeah. And the movies did a damn good job, considering how big of a story it is, anyway. I’m not complaining…not compared to Uwe Boll’s bullshit anyways. :D

ShiningToast's avatar

If you watch the extended editions, they actually include far more than what was in the “normal” movies. They run about 4½ hours each in the extended version. They’re really cool.

Jeruba's avatar

I’ve just reread them too and was struck by the fact that there’s not one scene in the movie that occurs the way it did in the book. I’m not sure I would have wanted to see a lot of omissions rectified. Instead I think I’d have liked to see a few parts follow the book more faithfully.

If I were to pick one additional thing to include, I think it would have been to see how Saruman actually ended up, trudging along the road with Grima following him, and then ultimately being driven out of the Shire during the scouring of the Shire at the end, and how Grima turned down a chance at freedom from him and opted for abused subservience.

I never liked Tom Bombadil, though, and was happy to do without him.

Berserker's avatar

@Jeruba I don’t even REMEMBER that about Saruman from the book…good thing I’m reading it some more. I guess they did leave a lot of important stuff out. :/

davidbetterman's avatar

@tb1570 Tom Bombadil was the Naz!

(Naz, see Ziggy stardust, he was the naz With God given ass He took it all too far but boy could he play guitar…)

aidje's avatar

Like Jeruba, I care more about faithfulness than completeness. The things most important to me (but not in order of importance):

1) Glorfindel should not have been replaced by Arwen.

2) Aragorn’s mom’s lines (taken from an appendix) should not have been divvied up between Arwen and Elrond. That’s just weird.

3) Faramir should have been allowed to keep his spine, which rather nicer than the spines of most Men. Peter Jackson turned Faramir into Boromir 2: All the Same Flaws And Also a Little Wimpier.

4) Denethor was pretty far off-character, too (but not as much as Faramir).

5) It would have been pretty cool if Beregond was left in the movie. He was a minor character, but he provided a glimpse of one of the “little guys” and also demonstrated how well-loved Faramir was.

6) Aragorn should have let the Dead Men of Dunharrow be free once they had fulfilled their oath by helping him defeat the corsairs. The Men who had previously been occupied with the corsairs should have then come with Aragorn rather than having the Dead Men of Dunharrow act as a deus ex machina. Leave the deux ex machina-ing to the eagles. They’ve been doing it since The Hobbit and they’re pretty good at it. (Also, since the Great Eagles are the agents of Manwë they demonstrate the involvement of the Valar, though that would not need to be stated explicitly in the movie. It isn’t stated explicitly in the book, but it’s cool once you know.)

7) Saruman’s death should not have been so different from how it was in the book. Even without including the Scouring of the Shire, Peter Jackson still could have allowed Wormtongue to betray him.

8) Gandalf should have been allowed to face the Witch King resolutely at the gate rather than fearfully in the middle of the city. The breaking of his staff was just plain stupid. He should have broken Saruman’s staff earlier simply by pronouncing, “Your power is broken,” but his staff should not have been broken by any means.

9) The dialogue between Eowyn and the Witch King should not have been cut so short and the tiny remainer mutilated. This is the single scene in the trilogy that I was most looking forward to seeing, but it was practically not even there. (”But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Eowyn I am, Eomund’s daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.” > “I am no man.”) The Witch King’s actual threats were also far better-written than Peter Jackson’s, “Die now.”

10) The importance of Merry’s role in the destruction of the Witch King should have been acknowledged. Had he not struck him with an enchanted blade right before Eowyn landed her blow, then the Witch King would have remained invulnerable. Peter Jackson seemed to totally miss that. Part of the problem is that because Tom Bombadil was not in the movies the hobbits were never captured by the barrow-wights so that Merry could obtain the enchanted blade from the Barrow-downs in the first place. That said:

11) I don’t really care about Tom Bombadil’s absence from the movie. Leave him to the books. Readers are more likely to be able to handle the amount of mystery that he entails.

I believe that all of these points could have been adhered to without lengthening the movie. In fact, at least one of these points would have reduced the length of the movie because viewers’ time would not have been wasted by watching Faramir bring the hobbits to Osgiliath.

Nullo's avatar

I wanted to see the Scouring of the Shire. I imagine that it wouldn’t flow well wedged into the present film, though.

davidbetterman's avatar

Yes, and the whipping of Saruman and his weasel little henchman, Wormtongue by Merry and Pippin.

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I would also like to see Merry taking heroin in the bathroom as his flight is crashing onto the mysterious island.

ucme's avatar

The part where Bilbo “fisted” Gollum.A tad sensitive for a young audience I agree.Think of it as sex education & it’ll get past the censors no problem.

Nullo's avatar

Did someone turn off the good sense of Flutherites?!

Trillian's avatar

I’d have liked to see Tom Bombadil myself, and I wished it had been made more clear about the Ent drink that Merry and Pippin had that made them grow taller and more robust. That drink reminded me of Diamondraught from another series. Also, the fact that the blood of Numenor was flawed in Boromir but ran true in Faramir. The Athelas weed, Kingsfoil played an important part, and the fact that the only one who could use it properly was Aragorn, and how Faramir almost didn’t make it, and it was during his recovery that he and Eowyn each came to the attention of the other….
On the other hand, I understand about logistics, and was fairly happy with the movie as it stood. I now believe that someday, someone with vision, ambition, and lots of resources could put The Wheel of Time on the screen.

robmandu's avatar

Another vote for the Scouring of the Shire at the end.

Character development is of critical import in any story. I think that the hobbits returning back home to stand up to and defeat Saruman would’ve made the story’s development of their characters complete.

As it stands now, I feel like The Return of the King just sort of ends abruptly. Long, drawn out, and weepy, but the story itself ends abruptly nonetheless. Just makes me wish they’d found other elements of the movie to leave on the cutting room floor.

aidje's avatar

@robmandu The long drawn out ending really made me feel like there would have been plenty of time for the Scouring of the Shire.

JONESGH's avatar

I also liked Tom Bombadil

angelaclaire's avatar

Well, they should have made the meeting between Gandalf and the Witch-King CORRECT! It’s in the extended edition, but it’s all wrong! Grrrrrr. SO much better in the book.

Seek's avatar

@frigate1985

Sorry I’m late! ^_^

The things the movie missed (though I do understand why many of them were left out)

1. Tom Bombadil. The extended version of The Two Towers shows Pippin getting swallowed by a tree in Fangorn Forest. That’s a cry to Bombadil’s woods, but it doesn’t replace Goldberry and Tom’s singing. ^_^

2. GLORFINDEL. Arwen is a useless sack of crap, and he did not deserve to be replaced by Haldir at the Battle of Helm’s Deep. I like Haldir and all, but that was Glorfindel’s parade, not his. Lothlorien kept to themselves for a reason.

3. Most of the best speeches/monologues. The way Gimli describes the Caverns of Helm’s Deep to Legolas brings tears to my eyes every time. Theoden’s speech to the armies in RotK is incredible, too.

4. Merry is responsible for defeating the Witch King of Angmar. He is given no credit in the movie.

5. The Scouring of the Shire.

6. I kind of wish they would have been a little more faithful to the timeline. It’s odd to see Frodo/the Hobbits and Gandalf leave the Shire at the same time, yet by the time the Hobbits get to Bree, Gandalf has gotten all the way to Saruman. Also, it took the Fellowship a full year to get to Gondor, but Gandalf seems to get there and back to the Shire in no time flat, with time to scamper about looking for Gollum

Berserker's avatar

Wow I’m so glad I’m reading this again…I finished book one just right now, so other than that one book I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about ecxept for the movies. Mind you I read this years back, and maybe I was too young to really appreciate it.

But yeah after reading book one, I’m surprised now that in the movies they basically go straight from Hobitton to Bree. In the book so much shit happens in between that. All I remembered was Tom Bombadil, and I had forgotten about Goldberry.
Bombadil is really intriguing too, I wonder what he is exactly.

Smashley's avatar

Add:

More Hobbit parts (Old Forest, conspiracy, more at Bree, more faithfully told)

At least a couple good Hobbit songs that were actually in the book might be nice

More hobbit recognition (Scouring of the Shire, Frodo’s stand at the ford, Merry icing the Witch King)

Reinstate Faramir as a great leader of men, not a petty child trying to please daddy.

Change the Helm’s Deep head count from Gimli 43:42 Legolas to the proper Gimli 42:41 Legolas. Seriously, why was that changed?

Give dwarves their due! They are fascinating. Gimli in the film is a walking punchline.

Cut: (Entirely elements that were not in the book, and didn’t help anything in the film)

Endlessly drawn out elven love plot

Aragorn’s “death” in the river

Gandalf’s staff breaking (absolutely ridiculous!)

95% of Arwen

Berserker's avatar

I agree with Gimli…I never quite liked how he was really nothing but comic relief in the movies. :/

Jeruba's avatar

My differences with @Smashley are so minor that I’m just going to second them all, with a cheer. Especially the last one.

Seek's avatar

@Symbeline

I’ve been reading the Silmarillion for the first time in a long time, and judging from the descriptions of other creatures in the Sil, my best guess is that Tom Bombadil is a Maiar – one of the servants of the Valar (basically demi-gods – with Eru Illuvatar being the supreme god.). Which, oddly enough, would put him at the same level as Sauron. (Sauron being a Maiar of Melkor, who became Morgoth).

Berserker's avatar

@Seek_Kolinahr Do they explain how long he’s been around? I’ve never read Sil, but when I checked out the Wiki page they pretty much said that Tom was as ancient as ancient can be. Thanks for that though, now I’m wondering if Tom actually serves anyone anymore, since in the book he said something about wanting nothing to do with anything but the forest. (That his power fades if he leaves it seems irrelevant to his desires, but I’m not sure.)

Seek's avatar

Well, Tom himself says only that he was there “before the hills were made”, which means he would have to have existed before Middle Earth was sang into existence by the Valar.

That would mean he was either Eru Illuvatar, one of the Valar, or one of the Maiar.

One of the Valar – Yavanna – is the one who created and cared for the plants and animals. It would be reasonable to assume Tom Bombadil was a servant of Yavanna, granted the task of caring for the forest.

V_Scofield's avatar

Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire. Glorfindel should’ve had his place, too.

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