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Am I betraying my boyfriend with virtual world?

Asked by SophiscatedLady (307points) March 13th, 2010

I have a relationship my boyfriend but at the same time I have another boyfriend in virtual world(by chatting). I don’t tell him about my relationship in virtual world and he do the same thing. Somehow I don’t feel guilty for my action since he too has his own relationship with other people(including girls) in virtual world,and most of my friend say that everyone has his/her relationship in virtual world and in real world because it’s just a virtual world where everything unreal.
I also fake my identity while I’m engaging in virtual world and I know people in virtual world can be different from their reality,and people can fake their real identity.
Am I really betraying him?,is he betraying me?,and do you think lie is something acceptable in virtual world?

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marinelife's avatar

By my lights, you are betraying him. because a lot of your thought, interest and attention go to the virtual world relationship. And, thus, automatically away from your relationship with your boyfriend.

You are also betraying yourself since you are pretending to be someone you are not in the virtual world. You are living in a fantasy.

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@marinelife We still have a good relationship in real world. And as I said,he too has his own relationship in virtual world. Don’t you think we’re equal?

marinelife's avatar

You are equal in that you are both betraying the other.

phillis's avatar

You are intentionally not telling about this other person to the very person who thinks your commitment to the relationship is the same as his. That is lying. Additionally, you are intentionally overlooking the very definition of a commited relationship, choosing instead to twist the definition to your advantage through loopholes. That, in itself, is cheating.And it is as far from “sophisticated” as one can get.

RandomMrdan's avatar

I know someone who was married for over 10 years, and then had a divorce because she left her husband to be with her virtual boyfriend in real life.

how odd I thought…

So yes, I’d say it’s cheating. I wouldn’t feel too good about a girlfriend of mine “dating” someone in a virtual world.

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@marinelife But virtual world is NOT real.

Milk's avatar

whether its online or if you used a different identity i personally think it counts as cheating. One of my best friends went through the same thing, she had a boyfriend online and in real life. But in the end she fell in love with the one online, so she broke up with the one in real live and went to live with her online boyfriend.

TheOracle's avatar

are you having virtual (i.e. sex) relations with him?

Cheeseball451's avatar

Sounds like you are betraying him.

J0E's avatar

“I have a relationship my boyfriend but at the same time I have another boyfriend…”

The answer is yes.

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@TheOracle We never meet each other in real world. But Even without sex we still like each other.

Exhausted's avatar

For you to entertain a “fantasy” online, you must not be satisfied with your current relationship. If he is doing the same thing, he must not be either. I think both of you need to talk about this and decide if you can fullfill each other. If you can’t work it out to give your attention to each other then you may decide you need to pursue other alternatives.

TheOracle's avatar

yeah…. but, do you have phone sex via the virtual world. Because that will be the answer you seek.

Fenris's avatar

@SophiscatedLady : There are many layers to the mind, and most of them can’t tell the difference between make-believe and real life – and primary emotions run on that level. That’s why scary movies scare us even though they’re not real. Form mostly takes a backseat to personality and interactivity, so if you like him like a boyfriend and not poly-amorous, then you’re cheating.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

You claim that virtual world is not real?

Then none of these answers are real, and neither is your question.

you both are betraying one another

casheroo's avatar

So, you know about his virtual relationship, but he doesn’t know about yours?

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

So virtual world gets your mind, and physical world gets your body? Do you turn off your mind when in physical world? Are you nothing more than ham bones to each other?

PhillyCheese's avatar

Yes, you’re betraying your real life boyfriend.
Your time, effort and “love” should be directed towards your boyfriend, not your Internet one.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

how do you know your virtual boyfriend is really a boy?

TheOracle's avatar

Do you live close enough to him for a real hookup?
Have you talked about hooking up for real?

If you can answer yes to either of these then you have the answer you seek.

njnyjobs's avatar

I don’t consider it cheating. It’s more like an interactive entertainment activity….

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@TheOracle Never(honestly). I’m not that kind of person. I know he’s/they’re not the real person I’m looking for since he can fake his identity. I’m just doing that for fun. I also think that the other virtual guy didn’t really meant that I’m his girlfriend,they can just play around with me. I believe many people did that.

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies Virtual world is never a real world(in reality). I’m not saying that this is not a real site. It’s just something artificially made by human where reality and fantasy can exist and can’t be differentiated. And we still like each other in real world(as I said before). Maybe I’m doing this as an alternative if someday we break up and he leave me.

@casheroo I don’t really know about his real relationship in his virtual world,but I know that he met his ex-girlfriend in virtual world(possibly another girls),and he’s well known among my friends to have some relationship with other people(including girls) in virtual world. I never told him about my relationship with other guy in virtual world. I think it doesn’t matter since he did the same thing and our relationship just fine.

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@njnyjobs Thank you!,I like your perception.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

Thoughts are real. There is nothing virtual about them.

If you share your romantic/sensual thoughts with someone other than your boyfriend, then you are romantically/sensually betraying him… for real.

TheOracle's avatar

I agree with Njnyjobs…. you should bang the shit out of him then…. in the virtual world of course ;-)

Fenris's avatar

@SophiscatedLady : It sounds like you already know the answer you want to hear from your responses – so my question is: if you already think you aren’t cheating, why did you ask?

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies He’s using his photo(a man). Why should one bother about disguising his/her gender?,I believe it’s more likely for job and age. As I said before,virtual world is virtual world,so I’m having a virtual relationship. I agree with njnyjobs. it’s just an interactive entertainment activity.

@Fenris At first I’m not sure whether or not I’m cheating. I just want to know if this behavior is widely acceptable and really acceptable in real world.

Fenris's avatar

@SophiscatedLady : This behavior is not acceptable.

MacBean's avatar

@SophiscatedLady Emotional cheating is no better than physical cheating. And that is what you are doing. It sounds like you’re looking for validation for your actions. You’ve come to the wrong place for that. Most of us on Fluther feel very strongly that “virtual” relationships are every bit as important and valid as “real” ones.

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@Fenris This behavior is widely acceptable around my friends(and even for most people in my country). It’s not unusual to find one with two or more g/b friends in virtual world. Not acceptable in what context?,can you elaborate?

njnyjobs's avatar

Those of you who consider virtual reality as worldly reality must be in a virtual world. What do you think games on PS3, Xbox and Wii are? People take on military roles, gang member and murderous roles, does that make the player a military hero or a criminal?

As long as the player is level headed and can differentiate virtual from real, then there is no problem. . . . it’s just entertainment or a past-time, a diversion.

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@njnyjobs I love the way you differentiate ‘reality’ and ‘virtual’.

MacBean's avatar

@njnyjobs Games are games. Person-to-person chatting is not.

njnyjobs's avatar

@MacBean then treat the other person as a character in a game…. I have done this myself, as other people do. I keep the virtual world separate from my real relationships. If you can’t handle a game, you shouldn’t play it or you get better playing it if you enjoy it… it may play with your emotions, but what great video game doesn’t?

Fenris's avatar

@SophiscatedLady : again, you’ve asked a question you already have your answer to. By my understanding, cheating in a monogomous relationship is unaceptable, and there’s no emotional difference between virtual and real emotions because what’s on the other end is still a person. So, you love someone else who isn’t the person with whom you’re in a relationship. So I consider it wrong. Since, however, this is perfectly acceptable to you and your social circle, and you are not convinced you’re cheating, I’ve just been sucking so much oxygen. So, I’m outta this thread.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

Yes, you’ve said that, but avoided my comments in doing so. So let me be more direct and ask you a direct question that I expect a clear answer to.

Are you engaging in your “virtial world” activities with real thoughts?

Could you have a relationship with either one of your boyfriends without real thoughts?

Don’t all acts of cheating begin with real thoughts?

Please answer these questions directly without reminding me that “virtual world” is not real.

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RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

@njnyjobs

Video game characters don’t have feelings.

Why must we personify objects, while objectifying people. Are we that lost?

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@MacBean and @RealEyesRealizeRealLies So That person isn’t a virtual person in virtual world?. I’m also agree with njnyjobs.

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies not really,I’m doing that just for fun. I can(honestly),I’m more with my boyfriend in real world and I have no problem if I have to share my love. Real thought just another alternative for cheating.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

@njnyjobs

Reminds me of how Generals will look at their troops as nothing more than numbers, or pieces on a chess board. Rather narcissistic with a god complex.

@SophiscatedLady said: “I’m doing that just for fun.”

That’s the exact reason why most people cheat on their lovers.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

@SophiscatedLady

Please answer my questions directly. Again…

Are you engaging in your “virtial world” activities with real thoughts?

Could you have a relationship with either one of your boyfriends without real thoughts?

Don’t all acts of cheating begin with real thoughts?

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies That wasn’t a lie. People can have the same perception(So I’m not using a pity excuse). I’ve already answered all your questions. Note that I separate each answer for each of your question with Period(.).

tragiclikebowie's avatar

I met my current boyfriend online and we were together online for two years before we met each other.

I kind of find it insulting you don’t percieve being online as the “real world” – is this like Second Life or something? Or just a chat room?

Regardless of whether YOU percieve it as “real” or not you are cheating. Having e-boyfriends/girlfriends is not a game, it is not a form of entertainment. If my boyfriend was doing this, I would be very upset and would consider it cheating and he would think the exact same thing.

thriftymaid's avatar

Feelings are real whether they are for someone in the “real” world or the “virtual” world. Yes, to carry on a relationship via chat is a betrayal. The fact that he does it too doesn’t make it right, but it might define your relationship as one that does not embrace commitment.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

How can you say the virtual world is not real? It requires input from real people, your conversations are real, and it is just the medium that is different from the normal way people interact. You are betraying your boyfriend, because you are spending time with another man in a romantic fashion. The medium of communication is really quite irrelevant.

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@tragiclikebowie I’m more than capable to separate ‘real world’ and ‘virtual world’. He’s my boyfriend in virtual world,and he’s my boyfriend in real world. And I don’t think that he(virtual) really meant that I’m his girlfriend in real world. And there’s nothing wrong if I do the same thing in the place where it’s allowed.

@FireMadeFlesh Have you ever met people with fake identity?,fake talk just for fun?
I have to tell you that you don’t even know who they really are,and what they really meant. And of course virtual world is played by real people,that means you agree that ‘fantasy’ is ‘real’ since it’s made and controlled by people.

coogan's avatar

You are both having virtual relationships, not that it negates yours, but…are you stroking your virtual boyfriend’s virtual boner? That’s virtually cheating : O

escapedone7's avatar

I am NOT going to go at this from a point of morality, or weather he should or you should see other people. That is something you should discuss with your partner about the expectations and limits of your relationship. However I will be very clear on this and please listen.

You do not know this online person. This person could be mentally unstable or a criminal or anything. You only know what he pretends to be.

That person has feelings and expectations. You can’t predict how he is going to feel or react. Hearts do get broken. Feelings do get hurt. Sometimes people go psycho. That isn’t part of “the game”.

Never, ever give out personal information about where you live or anything that could help him find you if he starts obsessing about you. Please. Invest more of your time in your real relationship or people you know from real life. If you must do this, make it clear to your online friend that it is just an online fantasy role playing thing for you and it will NEVER be “real”. Do NOT assume he knows that! Also do not take it to the next level (cam to cam, phone calls) it goes from fantasy to real very quickly.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

@SophiscatedLady You don’t have to know who they are, and it doesn’t matter whether you are putting on another persona or not. The fact is that you are caring for for two guys, your attention is divided, and that makes it cheating. Doesn’t any relationship start out being ‘just for fun’?

Why would you ask an apparently genuine question, then thank those who agree with you and dispute the points raised by those who disagree? Are you looking for reassurance that it is okay?

njnyjobs's avatar

@escapedone7 Great guidelines. . .

tragiclikebowie's avatar

@SophiscatedLady Since when it is allowed to have a virtual relationship and one in your real world? It doesn’t matter what he meant. You have TWO relationships. I don’t give a shit whether you use a fake ID or not, just because you have a fake identity doesn’t mean you you are two people. You have two committments. One online, and one not online. This means you are not monogamous. It does not matter the medium, as @FireMadeFlesh said. You have ONE set of emotions, if you have emotions for both of these people and you interact romantically with both people, you’re cheating, it’s as simple as that. It doesn’t matter if it’s online or not, I don’t care if you see it as “entertainment”. This person you have a relationship with is not a character in a game, they are a real person somewhere who also has ONE set of emotions. If your not online boyfriend is doing the same thing, it doesn’t make it better or worse, you’re both cheating on each other. And if you’re okay with that, then do whatever makes you happy. But just because you’re not face to face and don’t share personal details doesn’t make it okay, it doesn’t make it a game, it doesn’t make it not real.

Why did you even ask this question? You obviously think it’s perfectly acceptable. So just go on doing what you’re doing and leave us out of it.

wundayatta's avatar

This question has troubled me a lot in the last few years. At one point I had a number of internet relationships in a row. I believed I was looking for someone who would help me gain something important that was missing in my marriage. I thought that if I could get this thing (whatever it was), then I could save my marriage. I needed it very badly, and I didn’t want a divorce and I didn’t think I could ever get it from my wife.

So I had a number of virtual relationships, and they were very, very intense. I believed I was in love. I believed I was loved. I believed that if circumstances were different, we would be together (most of these women had husbands and children, too—it made me feel more comfortable; that neither of us would become a problem for the other’s family).

Now, it turned out that there was something else going on in my brain at this time. A brain chemistry problem that had a number of effects on people. One of those effects is a very expanded need for lover and/or sex.

So, once I was diagnosed, and found this out, it seemed like these relationships were just fantasies—perhaps a safer way to get whatever I got out of them than it would have been had I gone to bars and slept with real women. Later on, I struggled with this. What did these relationships mean? Were they real? Or were they primarily relationships with myself? I.e, over the internet, I know almost nothing except for a few words about someone else. Out of those words, and maybe a picture or two, I spin these elaborate fantasies about me and this other person. But the other person exists pretty much completely in my mind.

Even if you get more information—hear their voice; see them in video—it’s still largely fantasy. This made me question real life relationships, too. How much of what I think about another person is them, and how much is some kind of construction in my mind? We all know that it is possible to see much in another person that no one else sees. Do we actually see the other? Or are we still seeing a fantasy—for the most part.

I know I’ve done the same thing to real people. I’ve imagined them to be people they aren’t. I have a particular habit of making women into goddesses. I put them up on pedestals and worship them. Literally—on my knees before them. Oddly, they didn’t like this. They didn’t think I actually knew them.

I guess I’m saying is I don’t know what reality is. I can’t tell if it makes sense to distinguish between the real and the virtual. It’s all in my head, anyway.

There’s another thing I don’t know, too. I don’t know what betrayal is. I know that for most people this is black and white. If you spend any emotional energy away from your primary partner, then, unless you have a prior agreement about this, you are cheating.

I don’t quite know what the significance of cheating is. I know I’ve done it and I’ve had it done to me. It hurt like hell. I know I hurt my wife badly. And yet, she decided our family was important enough to give it another shot. She recognized that we did have problems—she acted out in one way (becoming ever more controlling), and I in another way (seeking love in other places—and I do mean love, not sex).

It seems to me that most people in the US think there is a bright line separating acceptable from unacceptable behavior. The consequences of cheating are the dissolution of the relationship. Anyone who doesn’t do that is some kind of wimp.

I have decided (and you can decide for yourselves whether I am rationalizing this or not) that relationships are much more complicated. There is more to them than sex and love and family and all the rest. Betrayals can happen in many ways, not just sexually.

I have ways to get myself off the hook. I was in a manic phase of bipolar disorder. I am a sex and love addict. I’ve seen people use both these explanations to keep their spouse from dumping them. I’ve also seen both used as a reason to dump someone.

I have chosen to do things, whether influenced by an addiction or a disease or just my own selfish desires, or even other psychological issues, that hurt others. I hate that. Yet, I did it because I felt I needed to in order to be more complete. I didn’t want to end my marriage. I knew my wife would not support such a thing. I decided that I would do it anyway, knowing it made me a bad person in many people’s eyes.

I guess it doesn’t really matter what anyone thinks about whether you are betraying your boyfriend or not. What matters is that you need this, and he needs it, and you both know what is going on (I think). That’s not betrayal. And even if you didn’t know what was going on… I think it would be what is thought of as betrayal, but I think you would be doing it honestly, not to get away with something, and not to hurt anyone, but because of needs you have that are important enough to justify these rash measures.

It is what it is. And there’s really not much point in asking people about it, except perhaps as an intellectual exercise. Do what you will as long as it hurts none. But sometimes there is a more tricky balance between hurting others and hurting yourself. That’s where things become much more complicated, and black and white judgments about betrayal—while easy to assess—aren’t really relevant. It’s only something each individual can answer for themselves.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

I still don’t understand your answers. OK I’ll separate them with periods as you suggest.

So to my questions and your answers…

Are you engaging in your “virtial world” activities with real thoughts?
“not really,I’m doing that just for fun”

How do you have fun without real thoughts?

_______________

Could you have a relationship with either one of your boyfriends without real thoughts?
“I can(honestly),I’m more with my boyfriend in real world and I have no problem if I have to share my love.”

Did you just say “I can”? Meaning that you “can” have a relationship with your boyfriend without real thoughts? What kind of relationship can be had without real thoughts?

It sounds like you don’t have a real relationship with either one of your boyfriends

_______________

Don’t all acts of cheating begin with real thoughts?
“Real thought just another alternative for cheating.”

I have no idea what you mean by this statement. Please explain. Is this question beyond a simple yes or no answer?

MacBean's avatar

@SophiscatedLady Is English your first language?

CaptainHarley's avatar

Actually, you are the only person who can answer this question. My wife and I are on Kaneva.com and have been ever since before we were married. We agreed early on that we were the only ones for each other both in reality and on any virtual world we might inhabit. Some people can confine their “escapades” to the virtual environment, most can’t. What the mind concieves, the body can believe. “Virtual cheating” easily becomes “real-world cheating” for most people, and that can definitely destroy relationships. Only you and your boyfriend can say if both of you have the strength of character to confine your “extracurricular activities” to the virtual world.

escapedone7's avatar

This question is being answered by people who believe in monogomy. Some people have “open” relationships. I will not go into weather I think that is right, or easy to do, or natural. I try to live and let live.I do recommend total honesty about it though. If you and your BF can come to an agreement where you both think this is ok, that is really your business. You shouldn’t lie or sneak and stuff though. That could cause a loss of trust and a feeling of betrayal.

Really this is like playing with fire. It is hard to not get burned. Breaking hearts is easy to do. I should know, I’ve broken a few. I try to step a little more lightly now. Boys aren’t toys.

Just_Justine's avatar

I think “anyone” that engages in affairs on the net (let’s not get fancy with the virtual world thing) is sadly lacking something in their real life activities. Whether they are single or not single. If they are married, then like the clutter I am trying to clean away someone so eloquently put to me“quit whining and clean up and move away from the computer”. It is much the same with anything. Including sex, affairs, chat all of this you could be doing in real time with real people.

You could meet up with the person and it could great. But in my experience it was never great EVER. The one person was creepy in real life, two were married idiots, one turned out to a female in curlers posing as a male, most were mentally ill, so subsequently lived life out on the net.

You can find what you want on the net, you can find people who think you are beautiful, handsome sexy or whatever it is you are seeking. But none of it is real and when they do meet you it’s hard to live up to that notion. Most guys on the net are looking for a hand-job and something to perv over. I talk from vast experience. I find any guy that comes onto me sexually on the net “boring, tiresome and in need of help”. Get out of it, get outside, get busy with real life, stop hiding from your boyfriend, or the fact that it may or may not be working.

CaptainHarley's avatar

@Just_Justine

Perhaps some are like that, but I met my wife online and we very quickly discovered that we had more in common with each other than we ever had with other people. We’ve been married ( in “real life!” ) for going on 3 years now, and we love each other more almost every day. Perhaps our age, or the sad experiences we each had to go through in life had an impact, but we’re living proof that it IS possible to find someone to love online. : )

BTW… “virtual world” is something much unlike anything else on the Internet. It’s almost like having another life lived exclusively online, complete with avatar, home, businesses, etc.

phillis's avatar

@escapedone7 We have little choice but to offer our responses within the framework of monogamy, because that is what her boyfriend believes, and she is letting him believe it. It is intentionally deceitful and misleading, else this question would never have been created by her. Had she said that she and her boyfriend are swingers, my answer would have been totally different.

Just_Justine's avatar

@CaptainHarley I did say some do. But if one is using fake persona’s and fake names etc., what is the point, one has to ask what is the motivation the means and the end? If I do connect to a person I am who I really am.

CaptainHarley's avatar

All true. I have seen some real tragedies happen because of people pretending to be someone they’re not online… AND offline as well! It’s just easier online. I know of several people who built a fake persona to “play” online, only to meet someone they really liked. THEN they had to explain that they weren’t really the person they appeared to be. They always lost the person to whom they had become deeply attached. Some of these people signed off of the Internet never to return, others dropped the fake personae and later found someone else who liked them for who and what they are… those are the lucky ones.

The moral is, you never know who you’re going to meet, so it pays to be who you really are and to make that person into the best “you” you can be. With all the people on the Internet, your chances of meeting someone who likes that “real you” is relatively high.

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@escapedone7 Well,I appreciate your point of view. But people should must know the consequences from virtual world and be able to differentiate it. Who say one can’t lie on his phone call or cam to cam? Well I can(I never did this to him but my friends),if I can why other people can’t?. And you need to know that consequence from virtual relationship is depends on the one that use it,and it’s his responsibility for himself not mine.

@FireMadeFlesh ‘Just for fun’ is just another alternative to start a relationship. I think it’s okay. Maybe I need prove that virtual cheating is not exist,or even if it’s exist it’s acceptable in both real world and virtual world.

@tragiclikebowie I don’t think there’s a rule/policy about this two world cheating. And as I said before,I can differentiate my emotion in both world. I believe virtual world is played by real person,but whatever they say or think it’s all NOT real. Virtual world mostly for fun.

@wundayatta I appreciate your answer!,that’s so contributing. I never and never want to meet my virtual boyfriend in person except some nice talk,so yes,I’m still considering that I’m not cheating.

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies It’s possible,people can still have fun without have to deeply considering their action in virtual world. ‘I can’ in the context of my virtual boyfriend,not my real boyfriend,my relationship is real with my real boyfriend,not my virtual boyfriend. I meant real thought isn’t the only reason people are cheating,people can have many reason for cheating and this can vary from one to another,deep thought isn’t my reason and I’m not cheating.

@MacBean No. I’m a Malaysian.

@escapedone7 (Second post) I appreciate that. We never told each other about our virtual relationship. But I think it doesn’t matter since both of us did the same thing.

@Just_Justine I’m quite good with my real world business. My relation in virtual world is just an addition in my daily activity. Sometime it’s fun to have fake talk and fake praises from other people,but I never take it seriously. I think it’s acceptable and fun to play with each other in virtual world.

@CaptainHarley (Last post) You’re so right about that.

Just_Justine's avatar

@SophiscatedLady well that is good to hear! but if I meet one more man that wants to wave his dick at me I’ll go even more mad than I currently am!!!!

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@Just_Justine I don’t like dirty talk either. I prefer romantic talk even if it’s just a fake talk.

ninjacolin's avatar

why do you assume that you’re not betraying your virtual world boyfriend with your normal life boyfriend?

also, notice i said “normal” life.. virtual life doesn’t lack reality in any way.

babaji's avatar

all relations you have mentioned are built on betrayal, virtually speaking.

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@ninjacolin First of all,we never engage in ‘reality’. So our passion and status is not obvious,and one must know that there’s no guarantee in virtual world. If one can’t accept/understand that then he/she shouldn’t get into this virtual world. Another reason is that most people I know in virtual world have one or more virtual couple and doing that just for fun.

ninjacolin's avatar

you have all these romantic online adventures and then you go fuck someone in corporeal life? that seems a bit like cheating to me!

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

@SophiscatedLady You never engage in reality? A man in England was recently charged with rape because he raped a woman in a Second Life style program. As far as the law and any logical consideration of the matter is concerned, actions through digital media are real enough for a person to be held responsible for them. Maybe you should just tell your ‘in person’ boyfriend that you want an open relationship, and then you will be free to have romantic attachments with anyone you like.

FutureMemory's avatar

@FireMadeFlesh A man in England was recently charged with rape because he raped a woman in a Second Life style program.

Huh? That sounds fucking ridiculous.

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@FireMadeFlesh Well I don’t live in England,and I don’t see there’s a policy/rule about getting engage or betrayal in virtual world. I did this before with some of my virtual boyfriends,we even talk about how many g/b friends they we had know. That is enough to prove that anyone in virtual world can have as many relationship as they want there. Most people will assume that’s just for fun.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

No need to separate the virtual world from the ‘real’ one – they both include you.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

@FutureMemory According to her psychological report, the woman displayed all the signs of post-rape trauma that are normally evident in victims. It is absurd, but it shows the extent to which people get involved in their virtual lives. I don’t agree with the decision, deleting his account would be enough.

@SophiscatedLady You obviously had your mind made up well before starting this thread, so I think it is time for me to leave it alone.

Your_Majesty's avatar

I think it doesn’t matter as long as virtual boyfriend agree with you,you never meant your fake relationship,and because your real boyfriend did that too. It is just for fun anyway.

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@FireMadeFlesh Well you just made that as an excuse. Seems for me that you can’t stand an argument.

@Doctor_D Thank you!,you’re so understandable.

tragiclikebowie's avatar

@SophiscatedLady No, you clearly had your mind made up. You’re not making any argument either way, you’re simply defending yourself and your actions and saying it’s okay because “you know the difference” between the internet and reality. So like other people have said, why even ask the question if you don’t care about anyone’s answers except those who agree with you? Time to stop following this thread.

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@tragiclikebowie I’ve made my argument. It’s all scattered around according to each time I respond to an answer. I don’t feel that you see all of it. I appreciate each one of you but you can’t force other people to accept something you think as the ‘right’ answer. That’s why I still respond to each of their answer and having an argument. But if you really wants to leave my door is wide open for you.

escapedone7's avatar

@sophitiscatedLady please do look up cognitive dissonance and a freudian defense mechanism called rationalization

You want what you want. You will get what you want. You shouldn’t use other people to “argue” your points to justify yourself out of whatever guilt your worry you are experiencing.

Close your eyes, look deep inside yourself. If this was not bothering you in the slightest, and you felt sure to the very core of your being you are completely right, and you do not care what anyone else says, why ask?

I don’t care if you bang the whole football team and become a virtual hooker. You do need some therapy though.

MacBean's avatar

@SophiscatedLady You think what you think and you won’t listen to anybody else. You praise those who agree with you and completely shut down everyone who has a differing opinion without offering coherent rebuttals. Discussing this with you isn’t a discussion/argument/debate. It’s beating a dead horse.

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@escapedone7 and @MacBean That is what people call as ‘debate’. You don’t have to agree with other people opinion/answer and you’re allowed to fight back and defend your answer in order to find the absolute answer for a problem. If you say I don’t care about who that disagree with me I’ll just ignore them. So why should I respond and fight you back in order to get the absolute answer? Maybe you people just too scare or don’t know to argue back.

tranquilsea's avatar

I didn’t know this was a debate forum.

As many other people have pointed out there is only you in this equation, and by that I mean that you are only one person…with one set of feelings. If you really believe what you’re doing is ok, then you would let your boyfriend know, even going as far as letting him read correspondence between your on-line boyfriend.

I’ve read through all of the replies to your original question and all you are doing is searching for people to validate what you are doing.

So, since your believe so strongly that what you are doing is ok, let your boyfriend know. That is the only honourable thing to do.

If I found out my SO had an on-line SO, his ass would be grass. Same would go for me with him.

Silhouette's avatar

Here’s my rule of thumb. If you wouldn’t do it in front of him and you are doing it behind his back, you’re cheating. If you hide it or lie about it or wouldn’t want him to know what you and the virtual boyfriend are up to on line you’re cheating.

wundayatta's avatar

@Silhouette Isn’t there anything that you wouldn’t do in front of him because it would disturb him or make him uncomfortable, and yet it would be fine to do? Don’t you protect him from seeing some things—toilette functions, other things he really doesn’t like? Do you not write things in a diary that are not for him to see? Do you think no thoughts to work out things—thoughts that would hurt him if you showed him them, but have no need to hurt him because they won’t make you do anything that would hurt him?

Silhouette's avatar

@wundayatta No, not one thing I wouldn’t admit to or do in front of him if he asked. I share my thoughts and my actions with my husband and no not all of my thoughts or actions were all that nifty. I prefer to pay the price for my bad behaviors, it’s much less costly than becoming a sneak or a liar.

wundayatta's avatar

@Silhouette If you think he was an idiot to talk to the judge that way, and that it makes you sick every time he gets that attitude, you would just tell him that? Why? What’s the point? You don’t think you can change him, I hope. And anyway, you might just be thinking these things in a fit of anger or annoyance.

Well, I imagine being your husband would be…. uh… interesting. I’m not sure I’d want a wife who was so forthright.

filmfann's avatar

It all really depends on your relationship with your boyfriend. Have you two talked about being exclusive? If you have, this may be considered cheating.
You should ask your bf. Then ask your virtual friend.

Silhouette's avatar

@wundayatta Lucky for me I picked a man who likes a forthright woman then innit? We don’t play games with each other and yes it’s made for an interesting ride, one that has been a blast for 31 years and counting. It has kept it fresh, fun and honest and I can’t think of a better way to spend my life. You’re right though, it’s not for everybody.

wundayatta's avatar

@Silhouette Although, perhaps if I’d been that way with my wife, we wouldn’t have had the troubles we’ve had. You must be somewhat fearless. No. Very fearless. I’m jealous, in a way. I guess I’m too codependent to do that.

Silhouette's avatar

@wundayatta Are you afraid she’ll leave you if you’re honest with her?

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

@SophiscatedLady said: “deep thought isn’t my reason and I’m not cheating.”

So why did you ask?

You’re still avoiding my question. You’ve turned my term “real” thought into “deep” thought to suit your truancy. Are you suggesting that “shallow” thoughts are somehow less “real”?

SophiscatedLady's avatar

@filmfann I’ve talked with my virtual boyfriend about this. He’s okay with that,but I’m fear that I could ruin my relationship with my current real world boyfriend.

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies My mistake. I meant ‘real’ not ‘deep’(what was I thinking).
The reason I ask is that I need to know the absolute definition of betrayal for this particular situation. And Whether or not it’s acceptable for both of us. I don’t feel like that if someone brand me cheating but in reality I’m not cheating. And I wasn’t planning to avoid your question.

Silhouette's avatar

@wundayatta I’m sorry to hear that. This is one of the biggest reasons I prefer an honest relationship, living in fear isn’t really living is it?

wundayatta's avatar

@Silhouette I wouldn’t go that far. It has it’s problems, but I wouldn’t do it if it didn’t make me feel safer and more able to get that which I value in life. If you’re balancing a set of tea cups while balancing on a ball, you have to expect that you’ll come crashing down sometimes. But until that time, you’re still accomplishing what you want to, and even if you do crash, you often are able to get up and try again.

Silhouette's avatar

—@wundayatta So it’s the thrill of the game you like? Flirting with disaster to make yourself feel more alive? I’d look for a more honest form of thrill seeking, like base jumping, or tight rope walking, something I could do alone. Betrayal, lying erodes a family one small piece at a time.

Neizvestnaya's avatar

Um, yeah. You’re betraying your irl boyfriend by (assumption here) engaging in flirtation, sexting, trading pics, webcam, etc. That is time, energy and emotion your irl boyfriend probably assumes is just between you and him. It’s not harmless or innocent just because thetech medium is easily available. Wait long enough and see for yourself, you might lose some very good irl people along the way.

coogan's avatar

So, if you’re having virtual sex, does that mean you use virtual condoms? And if you don’t, can you contract virtual herpes? God, this is frightening stuff. What kind of graphics card do you need to show that type of detail?

CaptainHarley's avatar

[ smacks @coogan upside da head with a very large trout ] Behave! LOL!

wundayatta's avatar

@Silhouette No, it’s not a game I like. No. I don’t like it at all.

Zen_Again's avatar

Short answer – yep.

meagan's avatar

Its emotional infidelity, yes?

Luffle's avatar

Emotionally you are betraying him. Instead of betraying each other through the internet, why don’t you spend more time together. Emotional betrayal in virtual worlds can still break the trust in relationships especially since they can be addicting and distort what is real and what isn’t.

Neizvestnaya's avatar

Oh, I didn’t mention if your bf finds out about your “innocent, meaningless goofing around” then if he stays with you then he might grow a very bitter pill of suspicion and disrespect for you that will taint whatever else you try so hard to enjoy with him. If he finds out and can somehow forgive you then count yourself very very lucky.

Nullo's avatar

Yeah, kinda.

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