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seekingwolf's avatar

How long do points stay on your license in NY?

Asked by seekingwolf (10342 points ) May 28th, 2010

I got caught in a speed trap (again) and got a speeding ticket today. I think I was 14–15 over the limit or so.

About a year ago, I got a ticket so this is my second one. :(
It stinks because it’s always in the same speed trap and I’ve never been given a warning. I’ve only been pulled over 2x and I got a ticket each time. :( It makes me feel like a terrible person. I nearly burst into tears because I feel so bad. (yes I’m pathetic)

Anyway, I’m wondering…in NYS, how long does it take for the points to fall off? Thanks.

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seekingwolf's avatar

BTW, I tried looking on the official NYS site and they had a nice explanation of the points system, but didn’t tell me how long they would stay on there ><

Seaofclouds's avatar

From what I could find here, the points stay on for 18 months, but any convictions or accidents stay on for 4 years. The best thing you can do is call and ask for yourself to be sure. You should be able to request a copy of your driving record.

MrItty's avatar

18 months

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/license.htm

The DMV computer system automatically calculates your point total as follows:

* You must be convicted of the traffic violation for the points to be added to your point total, but the calculation of your point total is based on the date of the violation, not the date of the conviction.
* The points for violations that all occurred within the last 18 months of one another are added together to calculate your point total.
* The record of the conviction, and the points, are listed on your driver record for as long as the conviction remains on your record. The information about the conviction and points is not removed after 18 months from the violation date. Only the calculation of your point total changes. Learn more about convictions and your driver record.

MrItty's avatar

You should also be made aware that you only get points when convicted of a moving traffic violation. If you go to the courthouse and plea the ticket down to a stationary violation (like “parking on pavement”), you’ll pay a fine, but there won’t be any points on your license.

seekingwolf's avatar

Okay, thanks guys :( I’m 20 and I’ve only had 2 speeding tickets…no accidents or anything else.

I’m mailing it off today…plea of guilty of course.
I feel like a rotten person.

MrItty's avatar

@seekingwolf so in other words, you’re completely ignoring my second post. Why?

WestRiverrat's avatar

@MrItty I can’t speak for @seekingwolf, but I mailed mine in because I can’t afford to take the day off work to attend traffic court. I guess that is his reasoning also.

mine were not in NY but we use a similar system here

seekingwolf's avatar

@MrItty

I’m ignoring your second post because mine wasn’t a stationary violation…I was driving and I went too fast. She caught me on radar. I think it’s silly to go to court and beg to have them convict me of something that I didn’t commit but is cheaper. Sounds manipulative to me. I’m just going to swallow my pride and own up to what I did instead of trying to get out of it somehow.

I still gave it lurve though for the effort even though I didn’t consider it.

Besides, like @WestRiverrat said, it’s a hassle. I don’t want to waste my time and I have lots of other things to do.

jca's avatar

the times i’ve gone to court for speeding the police officer is also in court that day, and they usually make themselves available for people who have plead not guilty, before they see the judge. the police officer or the town lawyer will “make you a deal” where you will accept a guilty plea but for a lower speed, or for a non-moving violation, like no seatbelt. that way, the town gets a little money out of you and you get a little break, and the town and the officer are all saved from having the expense of a trial.

also, something that should be of interest to you is that your insurance will go up for a set period. you need to call your insurance company and find out – they will find out anyway.

jca's avatar

one more thing – what i was telling you about pleading not guilty and then showing up in court on trial day and talking to the officer or town lawyer – that’s not considered begging, you will see maybe a dozen people with the same issue that the same officer ticketed, and they all plead not guilty and showed up to talk to him. sometimes, if you are apologetic to the cop at the time he tickets you, he will tell you to plead not guilty and come see him (as above) and so it’s kind of expected that you will be doing that. it makes it worth it to take the day off (or sometimes these small towns have night court and that way the judge has a day job) and you save some money off the original violation and you therefore save on your insurance.

seekingwolf's avatar

Yeah I was very apologetic when I got the ticket, in fact, I was on the verge of tears…I’m pathetic…I wasn’t mad. I deserved the ticket.

The officer seemed short and pissed from the start. I didn’t say anything remotely mean or anything because I didn’t feel that way. When I got the ticket, I said “Ohh…well I suppose I do deserve it, I’m sorry. Thanks though. Have a good night.” She just kind of went <grunt> bye.

I don’t have a lawyer. How much would it cost? Wouldn’t it just be easier to just pay it?

MrItty's avatar

@seekingwolf I understand you think it’s odd or maybe even deceptive to plea guilty to a lesser offense than the one you actually committed. All I can tell you is that that’s simply how the legal system works. Whether it’s pleading speeding down to parking on pavement or pleading murder 1 down to involuntary manslaughter. It’s done all the time, it’s expected, it’s normal.

jca's avatar

if you already sent in your guilty plea, then it’s too late (probably). if you did not return it yet, then just plead not guilty and they will give you a trial date. that’s the date you show up and talk to the cop. i did that once, the cop had told me to do that and come see him in the lobby on court date, which is exactly what i did, but also, there was a cop that did not show up (another thing that can happen) and the judge called all those people up to the bench and told them they got lucky, their tickets got dismissed. he gave them a little lecture and it was over. definitely worth trying if you have not returned your plea yet. your insurance company is not going to like seeing 2 speeding tickets. also, if you know there is a speed trap in this spot, then you should crawl past when you are driving there.

seekingwolf's avatar

I would plead not guilty if the cop told me to, but she was short and curt, and did not say a word. I already told her my reason for speeding (speed trap, was in a hurry to deliver medication, etc. and that I was sorry) and she said nothing. I have nothing else to say to her or the judge. :(

I already plead guilty and mailed it in. You’re right, the insurance company won’t like it. I don’t pay insurance (my parents do) but I came clean about the ticket. They were a little pissed but I felt guilty so I am working on extra chores to “make up” for it. :(

I did go online to the official DMV site and there’s a course you take totally online for about 40 bucks. It takes off 4 points off your license and can lower your insurance rates. I am going to work on it. I have a couple points already on my license from a year ago (again, that same speed trap!) so this will help, I guess.

How much does a ticket cost anyway? My mom told me it would be around 100 dollars but someone else told me 300 because of surcharges. My parents paid my first ticket a year ago and so I don’t know what the cost was, but I’m paying this one myself.

Thanks for the advice everyone.

MrItty's avatar

@seekingwolf the cop works for the city, not for you. She’s not under any obligation to tell you to plea not guilty for your own benefit. Indeed, it’s better for her if you just mail it in, because she then doesn’t have to show up to court.

If you plea not guilty, the worst that can happen is that the judge can say “nope, guilty”, and then you’re exactly where you would be if you plea guilty in the first place. If you plea guilty, you have no other options and no other outcomes.

It’s too late this time, but next time, just keep it in mind that you have options. Completely legal, completely honest, options.

jca's avatar

the amount of the fine depends on how many miles you were were going above the speed limit. each town has their own amount per mph over. you can call them – and they do add on a big surcharge which is mandatory for each ticket. i would say it would be at least $150.

also, find out from the NYS DMV site how many points it takes before you lose your license.

seekingwolf's avatar

11 points in 18 months for me to lose my license.

I’m fine I won’t lose mine. :) I’m under that.

maino134's avatar

how can i take points off my lic to lower my ins? i took defensive driving an that do much help what else can i do? oh btw its a nyc lic

jca's avatar

i believe the only thing you can do is take the defensive driving. other than that, the reason that you have points is to teach you a lesson.

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