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Can the world afford any more hippie/hipster individualism?

Asked by SmashTheState (14245points) June 14th, 2010

I am vegetarian, I live on a tiny income and consume very little. I occupy a space small enough that I can touch all four walls standing with outstretched arms, to minimize the heat necessary in my cold winter climate. I’m an activist, have sat on several volunteer boards, founded several organizations, and am currently the spokesperson for one of those organizations. I have no pets, no children, no car, and I take the bus only when walking simply isn’t feasible.

In short, I have done everything possible to stop what Thoreau refered to as the “machinery of injustice,” while trying to reduce my footprint on the already overburdened Earth.

I am not alone. A lot of the people I work with in my various activist communities are much younger than I am, and they, like me, have arranged their lives to apply the most possible weight against the machinery of injustice while creating as little of it by their mode of life as possible. This stands in stark contrast with the older “activists” I see from the Boomer generation. These aging hippies seem to feel that they have a God-given right to drive cars, eat meat, live in grossly unsustainable suburban bungalows, and generally act like the most incredible assholes—all the while acting like they’ve saved the planet by separating their recyclables.

My question is, can the world afford any more of these milquetoast liberal hypocrites? The children today have grown up with the grim knowledge that they will have less—probably much less—than their parents, thanks to the relentless greed, arrogance, and “do yer own thang” hippie individualism which has infected every corner of our culture, and threatens to turn the ecosphere so toxic that nothing larger than a nematode is likely to survive.

In his song “Love Me, I’m a Liberal,” Phil Ochs defines a liberal as being ten degrees to the left of centre at the best of times, and ten degrees to the right of centre when it affects them personally. As the West slides into its own navel and the last faint trappings of democracy give way to reveal the bars of the totalitarian cage into which we have willingly strolled, I must ask people whether they believe we can afford to allow these pantywaist liberal democrats to waste time and resources which must be used to stop the juggernaut of capitalist armageddon before it’s too late.

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lillycoyote's avatar

Can we afford to have people like you, who apparently are extremely committed to justice to have so much disdain and vitriol for the people whose hearts and minds you want to change?

YARNLADY's avatar

A world without any children would survive without us just as well. Human footprint on the face of the earth has occupied the last few moments of the entire existence of the earth.

Edit: the ‘world’ does not care if we drive a car or not.

shpadoinkle_sue's avatar

I gotta be honest, this took me more than a second to get through. I understand what your saying, I think. I will agree with you on a point that we need to be more aware of our presence on the planet as we are part of it. I think that we are doing that with all the green stuff that’s been going on. It does seem like things are going down the crapper. I will commend you on your commitment.

Having said that, Mother Nature is one tough old broad. Life and the planet will go on with or without us. We are thinking of our way of life and we are having a major problem right now in which we are handling it very poorly. But, until the sun goes poof!, we’re gonna be alright. Whenever I get down about the current human condition, I think about cavemen. They survived, so will we.

cookieman's avatar

So…baby boomer, hippie individualists are to blame for the world’s decline and eventual ruin?

I knew there was a reason I disliked my parents.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

Why just liberals? Are you kidding me? lol Conservatives are just as guilty. Look at all the conservatives who are directly affiliated with huge oil companies. I don’t necessarily disagree with you (at all, actually) about the greed that permeated America, but specifically blaming the liberals or conservatives? That is just as stupid. Realize that the true monster is bigger than some goddamn political label and maybe activists will start to be able to address the actual scope of the problem, rather than pick and choose what parts (or people) they feel like attacking.

I assure you, encouraging labels and stereotypes will do you no good. You’re shutting down a huge chunk of people who might otherwise agree with you – and ignoring a huge chunk of people that might be a part of the problem you’re trying to fight. The problem is not liberals. The problem is not conservatives. I suggest approaching the problem from a different, more open-minded and mature angle – if you ever want the attention to be focused on the genuine concerns you bring up.

Otherwise, it honestly just seems like you’re talking simply to hear your own voice – without caring about whether or not the problem is fixed.

YARNLADY's avatar

So, is your real name Ted Kaczynski?

Merriment's avatar

Congratulations. It sounds as if you are living your life in the way that makes the most sense to you. That is a privilege that ,rightly or wrongly, responsibly or abusively, belongs to every other human being.

You can’t force your way of life down other people’s throats or hold your self up as the example of the “only right way” and expect positive change to be the end result.

All violence consists in some people forcing others, under threat of suffering or death, to do what they do not want to do.
Leo Tolstoy

ipso's avatar

You got heart man. I’ll give you that.

I learned what “milquetoast” means.

CMaz's avatar

“can the world afford any more of these milquetoast liberal hypocrites? ”

Hell yea! For starters, we would still be ruled by the British Empire.
Those milquetoasts kicked George the 3rd’s ass.

The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.

Silhouette's avatar

I do my thing, and you do your thing. I am not in this world to live up to your expectations, and you are not in this world to live up to mine. You are you, and I am I, and if by chance we find each other, it’s beautiful.
Frederick E. Perl

C’mon people, now
smile on your brother,
ev’ry-body get together,
try to love one another right now.

I don’t think we can afford another militant group no matter how noble their goal.

Peace out man!

SmashTheState's avatar

@ChazMaz Far be it from me to diss revolutionaries, but Washington’s Continental Army spent the war getting their arses kicked from coast to coast. It was France that curbstomped the British.

CMaz's avatar

“getting their arses kicked from coast to coast.”
Hens being “milquetoast”. :-) But, they never gave up.

That passion to fight the “machinery of injustice.”

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

Look, I’m with you, I really am – more people should curtail their consumerist, wasteful habits…but, as others have pointed out, your message needs to extend, well, to everyone and rather than a message..what you’ve written is a rant, really and it can be perceived as alienating..see, we’re not activists because others aren’t…we are activists because we simply can’t be/live any other way…others won’t change until they see a need to change and many are happy to remain blind.

jazmina88's avatar

Hippies have love…...get a dog

lillycoyote's avatar

And another thing, or two, just because you live the life of a monk doesn’t mean everyone else is a whore (it’s a confused, mixed metaphor, but you get the idea) and “If I can’t dance, I don’t want to be part of your revolution” (a quote attributed to Mother Jones, though she most likely never actually said it, but it’s a fine sentiment nonetheless), so there.

ratboy's avatar

@SmashTheState, Jesus must turn green with envy when he beholds the astonishing righteousness that compels you to live like a rat. Given your style of living, one wonders why you bother to live at all.

shpadoinkle_sue's avatar

We are creatures of comfort and consumers. There is an excess of crap we don’t need. I feel I’m being forced into an age of technology that I don’t want to always be a part of. In the sense, that older and perfectly good technologies are phased out to make way for newer and stupider products. I’m going crazy trying ot find a radio for my jeep that doesn’t have a cd player in it. Some people don’t need or want very much. They might chose to live that way in the name of the environment or their personal values. Some people are very passionate about that.

@SmashtheState, I think that it’s your tone that people are having a problem with. You came on a little strong. But I do commend you on your passion and dedication. :)

josie's avatar

If I don’t do my own thing, then whose thing am I supposed to do? Will I have to pay to do their thing as well as my own?

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