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thissucks's avatar

What is your definition of emotional infidelity?

Asked by thissucks (26points) July 15th, 2010

What would you consider crossing the line between harmless and hurtfull interactions between your partner and someone else either in person or online?

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Jude's avatar

Did something happen to you and you care to share?

Likeradar's avatar

If he’s sharing things that he won’t share with me, that’s a problem.
I am all for him having deep emotional connections with other women, as long as ours remains the deepest and his priority.

thissucks's avatar

I saw conversations between my husband and another woman on his IM where he was basically saying that he wanted to sleep with her and I’m really upset about it. It makes me sick to my stomach. I think it’s emotional cheating. I’m just hoping he would not actually meet up with someone he met online, but even if he wouldn’t it still hurts.

Pandora's avatar

When you care more about what the other person thinks than what your spouse or lover thinks.

curlyz's avatar

@thissucks – how did you find out?

ringaroundtherosie's avatar

I’m so sorry this has happened to you. It is emotional cheating. Any man that is happy in his marriage would not say things like that to another woman. The same thing happened to me two years ago, so I know what you are going through. It hurts just as bad as a physical affair. The two of you obviously have problems. You need to talk asap!

Luckily my husband and I were able to discuss our problems and work things out. We are now very happy, but it has taken a lot of work to get to this point. If you need to talk, send me a pm. (((hugs)))

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

There is a fine line between fantasy and true desires that a person wants to carry out.
Just the same when your partner gets emotionally invested in a real other person on-line or in person such that their emotional involvement detracts from the intensity and passion in your relationship then your partner has been undermining your love and trust.

If he won’t out a stop to it, then you know where his priorities lie.
Then you need to decide what to do next.

First, talk with him and express your feelings and your concern for your relationship. Avoid getting into a rage and talk to him, trying to connect with him at the most verbally intimate manner. He needs to know that he has a lot on the line.

thissucks's avatar

It does hurt. It feels like he’s had an affair. I need time to think about it, but part of me wants to leave him. I feel like I’ve been betrayed and like our love doesn’t mean anything to him.

Russell_D_SpacePoet's avatar

After reading the responses, I’d say your situation qualifies for emotional infidelity.There are fantasies, but if it were me, I would be very wary. I feel for you. There is nothing like the sting of betrayal and I think this is a sort of betrayal. Been there myself. My ex followed through though. If you two truly love each other, I hope it works out. I just don’t see how you can be in love with one person and be telling another you would like to sleep with them. Good luck.

gorillapaws's avatar

I would ask him if there was anything he wanted to confess to you. If he lies, leave him. If he tells the truth, listen to what he has to say and decide if he’s worth keeping around. Don’t tell him what you know until after he’s confessed, otherwise he can downplay it, or twist the facts based on what he knows you know.

I’m sorry he did this to you. Best of luck with this difficult situation.

Andreas's avatar

@thissucks It’s not PC to say this, but here goes: He’s guilty of adultery, on the thin edge, maybe, but it’s only a matter of time before the complete act is done. So, you are right to be hurt. You will need to deal with him and this horrible situation. All the best, and be brave.

Evian's avatar

What you experienced is cheating plain and simple. It was intimate and it excluded you. So sorry you are going through this.

Marva's avatar

In my opinion, if your husband has tols another woman he wants to have sex with her, this is infidelity.

Having said that, I would like to raise a very non-PC question and discussion:
“so what?”
I have divorced about a year ago and since then i’ve been looking at relationships a whole diffrent way. Suddenly I thinjk this whole “till death do us part” is a very unnatural way of thought. Look around in your life: Does anything last this long?

We all observe so many people as they try to make their relationship work despite all difficulties. At some stage, a temptation arises for almost everyone. What if this is just a natural instinct?
We know it’s natural for men, but us woman, we also experience that “click” with another man sometimes, which we try so hard not to follow. Maybe the unnatural thing to do, is to deprive this instinct?
What if wanting to have sex with another person after a few years of “the same chocolate cake everyday” is just a natural turnout of a long-term relationship? and us humans, by trying to stop it from happening, are only trying to swim against the stream? then breaking up our good, long-lasting relationships, just because of this natural instinct…

Would you consider to talk to your husband, tell him what you know, let him do as he pleases, and also find yourself another “cake”?
This way, if you want to, you can keep your relationship and both be happier in it, since you’re not trying to deprive your natural instincts.
Of course some borders need to be made, the middle way needs to be figured out, this sort of thing can also ruin your relationship if not done right, but that’s a topic for anoter discussion…

I know my words are highly controversial, I am suggesting a new way to look at relationships, maybe it could solve a lot of problems….

tedd's avatar

What was the context of the conversation? Its important to take that into consideration.

Was he joking? Was he encouraging a friend who was down in the dumps?

For instance….. She shows him a funny picture of her in a Halloween costume dressed up as like, a plumber or something… and asks do you like it and he says “Oh yah, I’d TOTALLY sleep with you” Thats just joking.

Or if its a female friend and shes just been dumped or something and is really down on herself and he says “Oh come on, you’re really pretty, if I was single I’d totally sleep with you” or something to that effect, then he’s just trying to be a good friend.

If it was in more of a romantic context, like, they were having a talk they shouldn’t have had, then you have definite reason to be upset. Personally I wouldn’t consider it divorce worthy if nothing like thats ever happened before…. but definitely serious talk worthy.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

You really need to learn how to “screen copy”. Get the lawyer on speed dial.

Or at least send an envelope full of IM screen copies to his mother.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

Or be proactive and blow both of their minds. Send her an IM “BACK OFF BIATCH”!

Send him some IM’s too.
“Imagine how much fun the lawyer will have going through our hard drive”.

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

Although I have chosen to be a strictly monogamous husband because that was something we discussed at the start and since as an underlying rule for our relationship, I can support @Marva‘s viewpoint. The notion of loving only one other person of the opposite sex does seem counterintuitive. Our experience tells us that it is “possible” to love and have sex with more than one person and still be committed to your chosen mate.

Sometimes our chosen mate has been deeply hurt by the dishonesty and humiliation of a previous partner and decided to never tolerate such a situation again. If you choose to commit to that person and you work to earn her trust, you better honour your promises. Just because me can, does not mean we always should express our emotional love and physical love with more than one partner. These are choices and they have consequences.

wundayatta's avatar

Well, you gotta talk. Like @tedd said, you have to find out how serious it is, and whether he talks straight about it or tries to hide it further. You have a lot to do with which way he will go. If you say something like, “I recognize we might have problems in our relationship, and I really want to hear from you what you are really feeling,” he might talk openly. You should emphasize that you will listen and not start judging him.

You could ask him to talk and then jump to defend yourself the first time he complains about you, but that will get you nowhere. It’ll just shut down the conversation you need to have. Someone recently told a story about an agreement they made with their kids. They signed it. It said something like if they were ever in a situation where they needed a ride home, they should call, and if the parent ever started in on the kid about it, they’d owe them $1000. I forget what the agreement was the other way.

My point is that you have to listen. You have to be willing to believe your husband is a good man who loves you, but who has found himself in a situation where it seemed like he had to find another relationship to get whatever it is he wasn’t getting at home. You have to find out what that thing is, and he has to hear you talk about whatever your thing is, and then you have to figure out how to give it to each other. Counseling helps.

This is all assuming that the problem is serious. It’s not just silliness.

If he thinks he’s serious, then he’ll be thinking about leaving you. He’ll be thinking the grass is greener. The new woman really loves him, whereas you are just not delivering. Likely there will be issues of sex frequency. Or intimacy frequency. Something has come between you: work, time, a hobby, sex, health… something.

His IMs are just a symptom. Men tend to act out more when we are missing something in our relationships. Women are more likely to curl up in emotionally bereaved balls. Men will think it is sex that is the problem. Maybe love. They’ll take action to fix it—but not effective action. Going outside the marriage mostly won’t get them what they want.

That’s what I’ve found anyway. I’ve found there are just as many problems with the other woman as there are with my spouse. So if there are going to be problems, I might as well have them with the woman who has been my partner in so many things lo these many years.

But the other, more important thing I found was that no other woman could fix me. No other woman… no other person could make me feel whole. No one else could fill that existential hole in my stomach and make me feel like a full, complete person. Only I could do that. Running from woman to woman didn’t work, wouldn’t work and couldn’t work.

But I tried. I learned what I needed to do with my wife to understand that she loved me for real. It wasn’t fake. It wasn’t just corporation “the wundayatta’s.” We didn’t have to just go through the motions. But we did have to do an awful lot of work, both with each other and on our own. The work continues and will probably continue until we die. Or maybe even after that, if there is a surviver.

My wife was willing to work on us. I’m very lucky. Not many women would, if we are to judge by the judgments we hear all the time about cheaters. I suspect that there are a lot more people who are secretly forgiving than we might believe. My wife accepted half the blame. This is crucial. No one is going to work on something where they know it will be used to keep them guilty for the rest of their lives.

She still does not trust me fully. I don’t expect her to. I don’t even think she should.

Ok. Enough. I don’t know if what happened to me is in your future. I don’t know your personality, nor that of your husband. I don’t know how open he is, nor whether he would even consider therapy. I don’t know if you guys talk well, or if it’s always a strain. I don’t know if you are defensive with each other or open.

The only thing I know for sure is that you gotta talk.

Meltd's avatar

That’s completely unnaceptable behaviour in any relationship. He has no business telling anyone other than you something like that. He clearly has some issues- good luck.

Aster's avatar

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies As usual, your replies are magnificent !! LOL !!
This poor lady. I’ve got that tshirt. It is Very painful. At least she’s getting great
advice.

Aster's avatar

@Marva By all means, she should tell him she’s going to play the same game.
Think that’ll make him back off? No; he’ll blow his stack at her. double standard
My sister in law, a normal traditional woman, yanked all her husband’s clothes and threw
them out on the front yard! And he Did divorce her and marry the “other woman.”
Then he died.

Marva's avatar

@Aster Well, you didn’t understand what I meant: I said soemthing like “Hey, so we keep getting married and hope we will love eachother forever and want to be exclusive forever, despite that we have seen it not work time after time after time.

Maybe it is time to acknoledge that sexual love doesn’t last forever, and sexuality does? Myabe it’s time to face the facts and stop demanding of ourselfs what we cannot give? Maybe at a certain time in a marriage, it is a natural thing to want to have sex with other people? Maybe we should allow it? Maybe she could have a little fun aswell?

About your friend, and angry women in general: If she threw his stuff, and was probably acting all bitter and angry, how is that going to keep him in the relationship?

Like: “Oh, my wife is so thoughtful and lovely, she is so pleasant to be around, surely I should stick around with this bag of bitterness and leave that georgeos, patient and loving new chick I just met for the sake of salvaging our beautiful relationship!”.....

Neizvestnaya's avatar

Emotional infidelity is sharing intimacy your SO thinks is reserved just for them. That said, people need to share with each other what their own boundaries are with acquaintances, friends and lovers.

A similar situation happened to me with a bf exchanging emails, texts and pics back and forth with an ex lover/longtime “friend”. What he told me is they were just doing their usual goofing off. What I told him was that sort of goofing off was not acceptable between me and my friends while I’m partnered and not agreeable to go on if he wanted to keep me as his chosen partner.

I told him to choose and I also told him if he ever gave me reason then I’d do the same and make sure he learned of it, pictures, lurid video clips, chat and all. People shouldn’t take each other for granted after exchanging committment.

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