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Who is at fault here: the greedy one or the one who stole the loot?

Asked by jca (36062points) July 26th, 2010

Just some background: i work in an office and our supervisor is very nice. The clerk and the supervisor are somewhat friendly, but the supervisor is friendly and supportive to everyone in our unit.

a provider came in to push her service, and brought as a little token of her appreciation a box full of promotional water bottles (without water in them) and inside were pens and little trinkets, and a business card. She brought 25 in and left them where all could access them.

In our unit are about 9 people, in the office are about 30 (about 25 are the target for her promotion). The clerk (who is technically not the target of the promotion) took 6 bottles for herself and hid them in her drawer. As a result, there were some people who did not get one.

The supervisor asked the clerk if she could have one, and the clerk gave her one of her six. The supervisor then, when the clerk was not at her desk, went into the clerk’s desk and took one (i think she took it to give another employee who was not here to get one herself).

The clerk is now mad that the supervisor went into her desk to take another bottle. She says the supervisor was wrong and if the supervisor wanted another one, she should have asked her. She is calling what the supervisor did “stealing.” She admits to being greedy and wrong for taking 6, but she says the supervisor should have just told her and she would have given up the second bottle (leaving her with 4).

I say the clerk is wrong because she was greedy in the first place and should not have taken 6. I feel there are some things that are not such a big deal, and especially if it’s your supervisor and you have a good relationship, and you admit you were wrong for taking the 6, then let the anger go. I feel if she is really unhappy about it she should discuss with the supervisor and then let it go. I don’t think it pays to be angry about little things like this. I advised the clerk to discuss with the supervisor and then they could have a discussion like two adults.

What is the opinion of the collective?

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18 Answers

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

They are both wrong.
The supervisor should have told the clerk(instead of sneaking in her desk) that she could only have one and to give the rest back.

EmpressPixie's avatar

I don’t want anyone going into my desk and taking things—regardless of if they are company owed or personally owned. Going through my desk, while the right of the company, is still invasive and (in this instance) unnecessary. The supervisor should have asked. Was the clerk wrong in the first place to take six? Sure. But two wrongs don’t make a right.

Cruiser's avatar

The supervisor blew that call big time. Should have corrected the clerk the minute they found out.

That is the whole reason I tell my suppliers to keep their trinkets and gifts. If they are going to bring anything they have to bring enough food or whatever for everyone here.

gondwanalon's avatar

If I witnessed such activities, I’ld laugh it off. There is nothing of any real value in this situation. There is no hard done and therefore no foul. Life is way too short to waste it worrying, or getting mad about nothing. People can be so funny.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

The clerk needs to relax, imo – she was never supposed to take 6 and the supervisor certainly didn’t steal anything, it’s for her to decide on.

theichibun's avatar

Does the clerk share a desk or not? Because if the clerk shares a desk there’s really no expectation for privacy.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I agree…it was the super’s position to call out the greedy one, but she she not have gone in her desk.

wundayatta's avatar

Was there a contract about how the bottles were to be distributed? If not, then this “take only one” is a gentleman’s agreement, and, as we see with the Tour de France, it means little. It is not wrong to take six bottles, but it is socially awkward. The clerk now has an unfortunate reputation.

Now, why on earth the Supervisor felt she should go into her employee’s desk for such a trivial thing, I don’t know. It does not speak well of her, either. As the supervisor, I assume she has the right to company property and can go into any desk she wants. I hope she realizes that to do so is to damage the good will she has created with her employees. Things may never be the same.

Then there is also the issue of whether this is stealing. If, once someone picks up the free stuff, it becomes theirs, then the supervisor was stealing. If one saw the bottles as company property, then the employee was stealing.

Why not ask the provider to drop off a few more of the bottles?

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

I don’t get how the clerk can get up in arms about any of this instead of being ashamed of herself for being a greedy pig and keeping her mouth shut.

marinelife's avatar

The clerk was wrong to take six bottles.

The supervisor was wrong (bit it was understandable) to go into the desk and get one to give to someone. She should have taken back five of the bottles when she first found out what the clerk had done.

The clerk does not have a leg to stand on. Her desk belongs to the company. The bottles were not hers to take so there is no way the supervisor was “stealing.”

Ron_C's avatar

The supervisor’s mistake was not taking all of the bottles from the clerk. I think that the supervisor was too nice and the clerk is petty.

If the clerk make a fuss about this the clerk deserves walking papers.

Office politics is one reason that I only visit the office once a month or so. I don’t sweat the petty stuff and get rid of people that do.

Austinlad's avatar

The supervisor could have—and should have—avoided all that by distributing the bottles herself, but both her and the clerk were dead wrong. Phew! Office stuff. Makes me want to run screaming out of MY office.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Put it this way…the supervisor is going to be help the most accountable if any complaints are filed. The clerk was greedy, but that’s not a crime. Invasion of privacy is.

marinelife's avatar

@Dutchess_III Employees have no presumption of privacy with regard to their work spaces.

SuperMouse's avatar

The clerk was wrong to take six bottles. The supervisor was wrong, not for grabbing a bottle out of the clerk’s desk, but for letting the clerk get away with taking six bottles. The supervisor was well within her rights to grab the extra bottle without asking the clerk. But she could have handled it better by taking the bottles and nipping it the bud. An employee should not have any expectation of privacy at their company owned desk. When I worked in an office I always operated under the assumption that my supervisor could go through my desk at any point.

Dutchess_III's avatar

That’s true guys…but I would think there could be an issue with the fact that she didn’t really have a reason to get into her desk, except for a frivolous one. I don’t know….

YARNLADY's avatar

It depends on the company policy for supervisors going into the desks. At most companies, the desks are considered off limits, just as lockers would be, but I have also worked in companies that consider anything and everything (outside of personal property, such a purse) in the office belongs to the company, and they have a right to access.

I was amazed at onenew job when I came in to work one morning and found my personal belongings such as pictures and snacks on top of my desk in a box. The supervisor told me I was not allowed to leave any personal items in the office.

Pied_Pfeffer's avatar

Hindsight is 20/20:
* The vendor who left enough gifts not to provide one to all employees was setting them up for a potential problem.
* The clerk who decided to take more than one was out of line. They should also not consider that the desk that they use is “theirs”. It isn’t.
* The supervisor who asked for one of the gifts and then went back to the desk and took another without asking permission set herself up for failure. Why in the world would a supervisor take something for their own use without offering it first to their employees? And why would they think that taking something out of a co-workers’ desk would be considered acceptable, unless it was something illegal or against company policy?

You seem to be the one showing the most common sense in this situation. Supervisors are human, too, and encouraging the clerk to talk to her and work it out is the best way to resolve the situation. And the most insightful thing you shared in this situation is that “I don’t think it pays to be angry about little things like this.”

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