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Are bow ties cool?

Asked by Hawkeye (1250points) August 30th, 2010

The Doctor saying it is and I wonder if it’s true, Do you agree?

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Sarcasm's avatar

I wouldn’t trust anything that The 11th Doctor says. There are two Doctors whose fashion advice is trustworthy. #10 and #4.

He also thinks Fezes are cool. We know that’s clearly false. And he wears tweed. It’s so obvious!

Hawkeye's avatar

@Sarcasm Yeah, and the 5th Doctor had a celery stalk pinned to his jacket

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

Dude, the 11th Doctor is a stain on the name of Doctor.

No. They are not cool. They are “cool” in a “I don’t have enough time to tell everyone verbally that I’m an insecure douchebag, so I wear this so you know to avoid me” kind of way.

rebbel's avatar

In my experience bow tie wearers are usually a bit weird or is it the tie that makes them weird in my view? so i guess you could say, yes, they are cool.

lillycoyote's avatar

This is what David Sedaris says about them, from Buddy Can You Spare a Tie?

My most recent mistake was born the weekend of my brother’s wedding, when my father convinced me to wear one of his bow ties. “Come on,” he said. “Live a little!” When worn with a tuxedo, a bow tie makes a certain kind of sense, but I wasn’t sure that I trusted it on its own. The model my father chose was red-and-white-striped, the size of a luna moth, and as he advanced I backed toward the door.

“It’s just a strip of cloth,” he said. “No different from a regular tie. Who the hell cares if it falls straight or swags from side to side?” My inner hobo begged me not to do it, but I foolishly caved in, thinking it couldn’t hurt to make him happy. Then again, maybe I was just tired and wanted to get through the evening saying as little as possible. The thing about a bow tie is that it does a lot of the talking for you. “Hey!” it shouts. “Look over here! I’m friendly, I’m interesting!” At least that’s what I thought it was saying. The bow tie left me feeling uncharacteristically breezy, and by the end of the evening I was thanking my father for his recommendation. “I knew you’d like it,” he said. “A guy like you was made for a bow tie.”

A month after the wedding, while preparing for a monthlong cross-country trip, I bought a bow tie of my own and discovered that it said different things to different people. This one was dark-blue paisley, and while a woman in Columbus thought it made me look scholarly, her neighbor in Cleveland suggested I might be happy selling popcorn. “Like what’s his name,” she said. “The dead guy.”

“Paul Newman is dead?”

“No,” she said. “That other one. Orville Redenbacher.”

Name association was big, as were my presumed interests in show business and politics. In St. Louis, the bow tie was characterized as “very Charlie McCarthy,” while in Chicago a young man defined it as “the pierced eyebrow of the Republican party.” This sent the bow tie back into my suitcase, where it begged forgiveness, evoking the names of Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Senator Paul Simon. “Oh, come on,” it said. “They’re Democrats. Please let me out.”

Political affiliation aside, I know what the young man meant. It’s a pretty sorry world when wearing a bow tie amounts to being “out there.” I’m just not sure which is worse, the people who consider it out there that someone’s wearing a bow tie, or the person who thinks he’s out there for wearing it.

I wore my bow tie to seventeen cities, and in each of them I found myself begging for affirmation. “Do you really think it looks okay? Really?” I simply could not tell whether it was right for me. Alone in an elevator, I’d have moments of clarity, but just as I reached for the knot, I’d recall some compliment forced from a stranger. “Oh, but it looks so adorable, so cute! I just want to take you home!”

I’m told by my father that when I was an infant, people would peek into my stroller and turn to my mother, saying, “Goodness, what a . . . baby.” I’ve never been described as cute, so why this sudden, strange outpouring of affection? What was the bow tie saying behind my back? And how could I put it in contact with twenty-year-old marines rather than sixty-year-old women?

It was my friend Frank, a writer in San Francisco, who finally set me straight. When asked about my new look, he set down his fork and stared at me for a few moments, saying, “A bow tie announces to the world that you can no longer get an erection.” And that is exactly what a bow tie says. Not that you’re powerless but that you’re impotent. People offer to take you home not because you’re sexy but because you’re sexless, a neutered cat in need of a good stiff cuddle. This doesn’t mean that the bow tie is necessarily wrong for me, just that it’s a bit premature. When I explained this to my father, he said that I had no personality whatsoever. “You’re a lump.”

He sees the bow tie, at least in my case, as a bright string wrapped around a run-of-the-mill gift. On opening the package, though, the receiver is bound to be disappointed, so why set yourself up? It’s a question my father answers in the pained, repetitive voice of a parole officer. According to him, you set yourself up in order to exceed those expectations. “You dress to give 100 percent, and then you give 120. Jesus,” he says, “you’re a grown man. Haven’t we been through this?”

As I had years earlier with Chuck, I offered my Halloween defense, claiming it was my destiny to dress like a hobo.

“Aw, baloney,” my father said, adding that if personal style were determined in early childhood, we’d all be wearing diapers and rubber pants. He was being sarcastic, yet, still, I felt that unmistakable surge of enthusiasm announcing the twin births of experimentation and trouble.

It was originally published in Esquire but is now a chapter in _When You are Engulfed in Flames.__

Frenchfry's avatar

I say they say geek, but that just me but I loooove bow tie pasta.

Austinlad's avatar

Some men look elegant in them, some look like dorks. I’m the latter—you could be the former. Research photos of what kind of men wear them and how else they dress.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

@Austinlad I do like older men in them (and by older, I mean over the age of 70). Then it looks distinguished. It’s the 20 year old boys in them that bugs me.

chyna's avatar

There was a man that worked on my floor that wore bow ties. He was the strangest man I have ever met. We all referred to him as “bow tie”. As in “Bow Tie” just walked into the womans restroom and used it.

jazmina88's avatar

Only in a tux…...with george Clooney in it.

Austinlad's avatar

@papayalily, well… it’s never to early to develop one’s individual style. Google the writer Tom Wolfe, with whom I worked in New York, and look at early photos. In his 30s, when I knew him, he was the only person at the newspaper who wore white suits, striped shirts and bow-ties. He still does.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

@Austinlad Bow ties are back for hipsters, along with weird mustaches (think mustaches of presidents who have been dead for 150+ years) and pipe smoking.

chyna's avatar

@papayalily As long as it’s not the “porn star” mustaches. I hate those.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

@chyna They are back too. And they look even more ridiculous, as most of the men sporting them haven’t reached the stage in puberty where they need to shave every day. I’m convinced that the 20 year old night guard with the face of a 12 year old at my local grocery store uses a fake one, with lip glue and all. Sometimes, I want to shoplift just to see him in action – it’s like an SNL skit in my mind.

chyna's avatar

@papayalily Oh no. I was really hoping that was one trend that would not rear its ugly head again.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

@chyna Also, the 80’s are back, complete with leggings. Essentially, this year will be a rerun of fashion’s worst.

chyna's avatar

Please tell me burnt perms and hair bands will be back.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

@chyna I’ve seen hair bands, although I’m not sure about burnt perms. We might not have recovered from the orange bleaching just yet.

Ivan's avatar

Who gives a fuck what’s “cool.”

amazonstorm's avatar

I think so. I can’t be the only Doctor Who fan out there who finds the 11th Doctor adorable and cute and sweet.

Plus, I like the “doddy professor” look.

MacBean's avatar

Yes, they are. And anyone who doesn’t like Eleven can kiss my grits. HATERS TO THE LEFT. He’s so much better than Ten.

aprilsimnel's avatar

I personally don’t like bow ties on men, but that’s me. I am not making any claims to coolness whatsoever.

BratLady's avatar

Personally, I don’t care for them.

Austinlad's avatar

I have to keep one handy when I travel in my time machine.

shpadoinkle_sue's avatar

Such a cute thread. :) I think bow ties are adorable. I’m happily surprised with Eleven, BTW.

aprilsimnel's avatar

Eleven is cool, even with the bow tie.

Adagio's avatar

The answer depends entirely on who is wearing it and how s/he’s wearing it.

muppetish's avatar

My vote goes to yes. Ascots, however, are ridiculous.

ducky_dnl's avatar

Bow ties are hot, imo.

bob_'s avatar

Fuck no.

MacBean's avatar

I REALLY HATE IT WHEN I THINK OF THINGS RIGHT AFTER THE EDIT OPTION DISAPPEARS.

Matt Smith in a dress also invalidates all arguments/opinions. Just so you know.

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