What is the death toll in the bible (God vs Satan)?

*Just so you know, these numbers were pulled from a random internet message board that I ‘stumbled’. There were no sources cited. I refuse to believe random Internet blurbs so I was hoping someone here could help me find the actual numbers.

Death by what? ...smiting?

Definitely disappointed in Satan.

Yes, death by smiting.

I’m basing this on either party through direct or indirect action causing someone’s death. In either case, if they tell someone to kill someone else it also counts.

If god killed people because of their sin, and the devil influenced them to sin… I bet Satan is responsible for more than just 10 but probably all of them

@skabeep, That’s too far removed for this question. I don’t care why God killed them. I’m just asking for the amount that was killed in either case.

With your circular reasoning, I could say that God created Satan so really God is responsible for 100% of the deaths.

@skabeep soooooooooooo lemme get this straight, Satan makes people sin, so God in turn kills them…...and its satans fault????? the fuck?

Too hard to pin down numbers. In God’s column, you’d have the entire ante-deluvian population, minus Noah’s crew (no way to calculate that) Sodom and Gomorrah (no way to calculate that), the first-born of Egypt (no way to calculate that). The armies of Isreal carried out what amounted to an ethnic cleansing of the promised land, and for that we do have lots of numbers; but do we count killings by people acting under God’s direction? If so, then I guess we’d have a similarly indeterminate number of killings to Satan’s credit, including the babies killed by Harod (no number).

The wages of sin is death. I think I read that somewhere.

So, man’s own sin is the cause of death and separation from God. Sin is simply man choosing not to obey God’s will.

God gave man free will so that man would choose God. Without choice, man would just be a robot, little better than a rock.

Satan is not responsible for sin. Man is responsible for his own choices. Satan is already screwed so he’s out to take down as many more as possible.

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Now, you could say that God created a system by which man could end up choosing something God created, and then is punished for it. Well, them’s the rules.

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By that reckoning, one could say God has all the points. And at best, Satan is credited with some assists. But really, it’s each man’s choice… and so we’re the only ones with a score.

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BTW, physical death is only part of the equation. After all, none of us are getting out of this alive. Spiritual death (i.e. permanent separation from God) is of higher import.

does that include people who kill in the name of god? because there are a lot of nut jobs out there who feel they have the right to do a whole bunch of stuff “in the name of god” include kill

Yea Bri, but I meant specifically in the bible. Harp is the one who seems to have the closest answer to what I’m looking for but rob raises some good points.

except for I like robots and I think they are way better then rocks

I didn’t realise they were keeping score.

If God is real, omnipotent and omnipresent then he most definitely keeping score in not only this but in all things.

this song might be relevant.

Yes but if God is real, omnipotent and omnipresent then Satan is part of God’s grand, ineffable scheme and therefore Satans’ deaths are also the responsiblity of God, as are all other death. Therefore if God is responsible for everybodys’s death why would he bother to keep score? There is no score to keep!

It just occurred to me that the 10 kills attributed to Satan (Job’s children) were actually pre-approved by God. It’s only because God gave the green light to the hit job that Satan was able to move against them.

Lightly, that’s circular reasoning as I mentioned above when I said the exact same thing. That’s not the answer to the question that I’m asking.

Lets put a different way. If God is real then he keeps a tally of everything that has happened and that might happen. He remembers. He knows. If you are keeping a tally of when certain things happen, then you are essentially keeping score (in a roundabout way).

If he is real, then he keeps score in all things. If he does not, he is not God. Not only does it matter, the act of knowing everything is a big part of what makes him God.

That being said, none of this has anything to do with the question I asked.

@Harp, Nice, I didn’t even think of that. Maybe those can still be Satan’s kills because he actually pulled off the hit.

So, no named person in the bible are killed by the order of Satan but named people all through the bible are killed by the order of God. That can’t possibly be right can it?

In fairness, I think that the culture for whom these writings were intended took it as axiomatic that life was God’s property to dispense and revoke at his pleasure. They would have understood that killing by humans was “wrong” in that it encroached on God’s prerogative. It never would have occurred to them to think of these “smitings” as murder, because they saw life as being, essentially, on loan from God.

Wow fantastic point harp. That’s a nice way to say what my father always use to tell me. “I brought you in to this world. I can take you out of it.”

lol, bodyhead, the god you describe above sounds like Santa with a list of who’s naughty and whose nice.
great comments in this thread!

Wait wait wait. Satan can’t do anything God doesn’t let him do. God loves all his children, even the sinners therefore, I don’t think that God would allow Satan to just kill someone. Now, he lets Satan do some terrible things to test us, but not kill us. This is just based on my beliefs.

@Randy
Can any of us do anything God doesn’t let us do?

I have a question. If Satan cant do anything that God doesnt allow him to do to do, why is Satan such a threat?

The traditional view is that God allows Satan to play the role of Tempter and Temptation is what drives people to sin.

@Hapr- In my beliefs, yes and no. It all goes to God giving us free will. He allows us to choose and so as we please, but yet he knows what we’re going to do. All that is really confusing to me. I don’t know exactly how it works.

@uber- Basically, God wants us to chose to love him. He could make us all mindless zombies that do nothing but serve and worship him all the time, but that makes for a fake and almost pointless love. So God gave us the ability that is free will so that we can decide what we want. That way, the ones that do chose to love and worship him are sincere. Satan will eventually get cast into the lake of fire but while we are here on Earth, Satan will have the ability to tempt us.

Of course all this is just in my opinion…