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Did you support Jamie Oliver's campaign to get healthier food in schools?

Asked by mmap (41points) January 23rd, 2011

By changing government polices to make sure we feed our kids better food?

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iamthemob's avatar

Absolutely 100% yes.

Do I think that practically it can be well-executed? Absolutely 100% I sure-as-hell-hope-so.

bunnygrl's avatar

You can lead a child to salad but you cannot make him/her eat it.

There is definitely a place for adults as well as children being better educated about what is actually in the food we eat (especially the fast food which most kids would happily live off) but Jamie Oliver rubs me (and LOTS of other people) the wrong way, because people do NOT like being lectured to. Taught, informed, yes. Lectured at/to….. NO.
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filmfann's avatar

Under Reagan, school menu requirements for a vegetable were met if the kids had Catsup.
Oliver wants to stop giving children a choice in food. If it is Roast Beef day, and the kids can order pizza instead, that is what they do.
I think it’s a good idea. Kids should not be calling the tune on what they eat.

mmap's avatar

You don’t like being informed how to keep people alive? It’s like saying it’s ok to ignore your doctor because you don’t like what he says.
The food actually tastes nice but most kids never try it to find out, kids should not even have a choice.

mathsphysicsnormally's avatar

The concept of trying to get our kids healthy and informing them about foods and teaching them how to make healthier meals, yes!

His approach at doing it is more questionable and I think would always have been.
Kids can easily get food at their local store even if they give them no choice in schools
It’s a long process and not an easy one. Maybe techniques such as having lessons getting kids to taste new foods “healthy foods” and seeing what ones are popular and serving them may work May

It’s kind of childish to disregard his aim just because you don’t like being told what to do.

marinelife's avatar

Of course. Not just because of Jamie Oliver, but because it is the right thing to do.

LostInParadise's avatar

I am not familiar with Jamie Oliver, but I know that Michele Obama has been pushing for Americans to eat healthier. It is a difficult task. People have gotten used to highly processed food.

Part of the problem is political. Many on the right think that a Big Mac is real food and that organically grown produce and free range meat is elitist. Sarah Palin handed out cookies to kindergartners in defiance of the first lady.

bunnygrl's avatar

As I said sweetheart I have no problem with being informed, learning is why we are here after all, but when did the world start needing to be told how to eat properly? If most folk truly can’t look at a take away and see that it’s “junk food” that shouldn’t be used as a regular meal choice, then we do indeed have a major problem. I honestly believe though that for the vast majority of people, this simply is not the case. We are living in stressful times. Financial pressures mean that most couples BOTH have to work, and kids are eating takeaways far too often, not because Mum thinks they should but because the need is there. Even school dinners have chips on the menu most days. The world has changed is all. There simply are not enough hours in the day to do everything we all have to manage to pack into them.

I was raised in the 70’s when most kids had a Mother at home full time, and would have a packed lunch or school dinners (which actually were healthy then) and in the evening would go home to a proper sit down healthy family dinner, cooked by Mum. Back in my school days (like most girls of my age) I studied Home Economics in secondary school, which involved the study of…. well home making, which included providing a healthy diet for our future familes. This was part of our regular school curriculum, not a choice we could pick from an options list at the start of 3rd year, if we wanted to. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if this was re-instated into our schools? If this knowledge was placed into every child’s head from the age of 12 as it was with my peer group at school.

I work in a large retail outlet and see so many large weekly family shops go through my checkout which consist of 25 – 30 (sometimes more) ready made microwave meals, because they are quick, you can fill the freezer with them and they are convenient. They also mostly contain too much salt, too much sugar, far too many additives and do not even come close to providing a healthy diet. As I said in my original reply, there is certainly a place for education relating to the basics of a healthy diet, such as how to include all of the basic food groups, information relating to portion control etc, but nobody likes to be lectured, and will be far less likely to take any notice of someone who comes across as trying to force changes on them. It comes down to good, easily accessible information being provided, and hoping that, over time, it will filter through and kids will start to make these choices themselves.

As I said, I have no problem listening to someone trying to inform but Mr Oliver and his ilk do not do that they talk down to, lecture, sigh at the ignorance of folk and it drives me crazy. Nobody likes to listen to a “know it all”. I don’t doubt that he means well in his wee heart, I’m sure he does but he rubs folk up the wrong way. Does anyone remember the news items on the BBC of Mums handing chip shop take aways through the school railings to kids? It needs to start with the children. Educate them to make good choices and the future is won already.
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ps: @mmap “kids should not even have a choice?” really? is that what you truly believe? Children shouldn’t be forced to do anything, and will actually enjoy good healthy food if encouraged from a young enough age, and please re-read my original reply. I said I would welcome being informed, just not LECTURED TO. Also, re your other comment, I would never ignore a doctor’s advice but comparing Jamie Oliver to a Dr? good grief. He’s a cook, no doubt a talented one but so was my Grandma, and she never talked down to anyone and I could (and did) learn so much more from her. <hugs> xx

mathsphysicsnormally's avatar

You first state you would like to be informed and then say “but when did the world start needing to be told how to eat properly?” You may say one is being informed and the other is telling you (due to how you stated it) how to eat but that’s a straw man argument as no one is telling anyone what they have to eat.

You then state people eat that due to stressful times, do you think the lives of people in south Korea, France, Italy, Spain don’t live in stressful lives as well? And yet they get on without eating as much unhealthy foods.
It doesn’t take more than 30 mins to make a good healthy meal and you and a larger number of your population would know that with more education.

I’ll restate what I put before that I think your way of thinking being against him as you don’t like being told what to do is childish.

Sorry if I didn’t counter all your points as your reply was so long and many of it was not address with the issue.

flutherother's avatar

Yes, and I’m glad he’s got the US Government interested, the Department of the Bleeding Obvious I would think.

mathsphysicsnormally's avatar

It was repeated on Channel 4 in the UK and was upsetting to watch and shocking at parts when they said a potato was a vegetable, so the kids could keep on eating chips.

iamthemob's avatar

The problem with the healthy diet movement is (1) access for the most needy populations and (2) media/advertising driven confusion of information to a great degree.

Head to the corner store in a lower-income neighborhood – it will be processed food and white bread. And the commercials and re-branding can fool adults into believing they’re making a healthier choice (consider the “low fat” debacle). And food companies have outsourced to think tanks ways to increase the “nag factor” of advertising – targeted advertising for crap food to kids in order to get them to continue bothering parents to buy them the crap food.

When you work a 60 hour week and have to raise your kids as well…you don’t really have time to sort the good information from the bad….

bunnygrl's avatar

@mathsphysicsnormally I do wish you had read, actually, properly read both my replies before responding to me. I did actually explain my comment re lack of nutritional education in schools and my comment of “when did the world start needing to be told how to eat” was a RHETORICAL statement and led into what I went on to say.

I’m sorry dear fellow jelly, I’m just too tired and to be honest, not interested in being flamed by you. My replies do actually make sense, they really do, if read properly. Maybe you should have a sandwich, it will help with your attention span.
ps: my education is just fine, thank you (I studied to Masters Degree level and in the domestic arena I have successfully run my home and provided healthy meals for well over a quarter of a century to a very happy, and healthy, husband). Generally, it is considered polite to read and fully understand a fellow jelly’s post before replying to it.

@iamthemob <hugs> I love you! Thank you so much, GA and that is what I was trying to say too. Parents are having to cope with very stressful times financially and just do not have the luxury of intricate label reading time <hugs> xx

iamthemob's avatar

@bunnygrl – particularly when the designer of that label will be damn sure that the information most visible to you is not the information you really need to determine if it’s good for you.

I’m with you on this – but I’m constantly surprised how the “cult of personal responsibility” seems to take over in this context – and it is always apparently well within the parents ability, financial capability, educational level, willpower, and they always have plenty of time to make sure that they’re kids get good food. Unfortunately, much of the time we think we’re making choices that we’re actually not – we’re doing what time and advertising allows.

bunnygrl's avatar

@iamthemob Exactly!! GA and very, very well said.

YARNLADY's avatar

Since food in the schools is usually based on the bottom line as opposed to suitability, it has become necessary for the government to become involved, with rules about what sort of food to buy. Of course, without any funds to back it up, it’s pretty much a moot point, anyway.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

Of course, why wouldn’t I? I know the food in schools is atrocious.

JLeslie's avatar

I think it would be great if kids had healthier meals in school, but I don’t think it is the biggest problem in the obesity problem. When I went to school our lunches were pizza, tacos, burgers, pasta…pretty much what kids are eating in school today from what I can tell. I’m not sure if portions are bigger?

Teaching nutrition in school, and educating the community needs to be done. I ate plenty of junk food when I was young, and grew up on coca cola. I am not saying that is ok, but I was thin, very thin. My portions were small, I ate dinner from scratch every night, maybe a restaurant meal once every month, until I hit high school, then a little more often. I also took ballet when I was young, and played outside quite bit, until high school. I started working part time in high school, at age 14,on my feet selling clothes.

JLeslie's avatar

Here is an old question of mine you might be interested in.

JLeslie's avatar

Oh, and I think @YARNLADY‘s comment about funds is on point, and one of the bigger obstacles.

OpryLeigh's avatar

I’m all for the campaign, if we can educate kids to think about how their eating habits affect their health from a young age then maybe we can make a start in battling the obesity problem that both the US and the UK seem to have.

The only thing that irritates me about the campaign is Jamie Oliver himself. Big cry baby!

mathsphysicsnormally's avatar

I also seen a very interesting theRSAorg ā€¸video where they discuss ( Not actually prove ) That kids that will have children young or fail in school or eat unhealtherly are the kids who will ignore the information and the people who listen are the people who all these things will not happen as they take more responsibility.

I would love to learn more about that

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