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SavoirFaire's avatar

Do you interpret disagreement as dislike?

Asked by SavoirFaire (28830points) April 9th, 2011

I am in a profession where disagreement is the norm. If your colleagues aren’t challenging your beliefs, they aren’t doing their jobs. Moreover, they aren’t really your friends if they won’t help you refine your arguments. There are competitive people among my colleagues, to be sure; but for the most part, I would say we engage in “cooperative disagreement.”

I very rarely encounter this attitude in other settings, however, and a number of recent comments from various jellies (not aimed at me and on questions where I’m not participating) seem to betray quite the opposite sentiment. Some people seem to think that if their argument is unpopular, they must be unpopular.

Do you believe in cooperative disagreement? Do you try to assume that criticism is constructive until it is no longer reasonable to do so? Or do you take disagreement to be a sign of disrespect and come to dislike people who routinely disagree with you?

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blueiiznh's avatar

For me, I am in the camp you are in. I am open to what others have to say and I learn from that and refine my thoughts and feelings on it. I enjoy a good debate for the sake of it, but in the context of your question it is just a matter of disagreement. Hell, I have no problem admitting I am wrong too.
The people I have seen take the dislike point of view seem to take the disagreement personally even if it was not meant to be personal.
Others simply take it as conflict, and don’t handle conflict well.
And then there are some people that are not open to the thought that there could be anything different that their beliefs.
In my line of work, I can have an initial belief and plan, but need to flesh out the best approach with discussion that can get very political and heated.

filmfann's avatar

At work, sometimes my co-workers get angry with me because I agree with what the boss says.
I am not gonna pick a side based on who I like. I am gonna listen to both positions, and figure out who got it right.

WasCy's avatar

I love “cooperative disagreement” (and I really like your term, too). I grew up during the age when the term “Generation Gap” was coined, but I never experienced it with my parents. On the other hand, I argued “cooperatively” (to appropriate your term) nearly every day of my adolescence with my parents, my father in particular. It seems to me that he and I had opposing discussions of nearly any topic that came up, night after night. He sure taught me how to refine an argument.

I loved those arguments, and I know that he did, too. And there was never even a hint of loss of affection on either side.

jonsblond's avatar

I do when the person disagreeing with me is being an ass. Otherwise, no.

Pandora's avatar

I don’t believe disagreeing means a person doesn’t like me personally but there is a difference with disagreeing with someone in a respectful manner and disagreeing in a respectful way. Once a person hurls insults than you can’t help but take it personally.
Now some jellies may also argue in a playful manner that may get misinterpretted.
Some naturally may have a snide personality or feel snide about a certain subject and not choose their words carefully but meant no real disrespect to the person. I know late at night I may get a bit cranky and I won’t take the time at times to re-read my words. The next day I’m reading them and realizing I may have answered in a snide way. Hell at times I will find sentences that look like they were written by a drunk. Word of warning to all.
Don’t be sleep deprived and type!

Bellatrix's avatar

No, I don’t think disagreement means dislike. It means someone disagrees with me and fair enough as long as they have a rational reason as to why they disagree with me and aren’t just doing it to be bloody minded. I agree with you @SavoirFaire, we learn by having our ideas challenged. In my work, I don’t know everything. I don’t know everything that is going on in the background that I may not be privy too. Someone else might have more knowledge or have a more developed understanding of the situation.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

Just to play devil’s advocate Have you ever had a friend for more than a couple months where you disagreed on everything? Normally, if you disagree too much, you just won’t like each other.

everephebe's avatar

Disagreement shouldn’t be seen as dislike, but it often is. I believe in cooperative disagreement, but I do think it’s easier to practice it when you know the person and you can see their face. Fluther is usually pretty decent about relative strangers being able to disagree, without too much animosity. There are exceptions of course. It’s hard to get along with folks who are being bloody-minded about something. (Bloody minded is the perfect way to put it @Mz_Lizzy.) But it’s great when you can work things out with someone else, and at least reach an understanding. If I’m wrong, I would like to know dammit, someone please fucking let me know! Or ask me for proof or something.

It’s much easier to disagree with friends.
Great answers all (except you @MyNewtBoobs :P just teasing) and great question, cheers.

@MyNewtBoobs I agree that if you disagree too much and it becomes a struggle, dislike is inevitable. However I have friends I almost always disagree with, but they raise very interesting points, so it’s not a struggle in the sense that it’s difficult to be around them. I also like friends who push me to do better, and to think more deeply.

jerv's avatar

No. If I did, there are quite a few Flutherites I would absolutely hate. For instance, though it may not seem it, I actually kind of like @blueiiznh.

blueiiznh's avatar

@jerv yes, we do find ourselves on opposite view points at times, but I do have respect for your thoughts and viewpoints no matter.

augustlan's avatar

I never have equated disagreement and dislike. If everyone agreed with me all the time, how would I ever progress? How would I ever grow? The manner in which disagreement is expressed can certainly lead to the conclusion that you are disliked, though. No need to be an asshole about it, you know?

It seems to me (and I could be wrong) that the people who have the most trouble dealing with dissent are those who have a very rigid viewpoint. They don’t want to learn any other way of thinking about things.

In a largely homogeneous group (like Fluther), though, it must be rather difficult to ‘defend’ your view point if you’re always in the minority. I have the utmost respect for those who manage to do so in a civil manner. I don’t know if I’d cope so well in an opposite-leaning environment (like Sodahead.)

filmfann's avatar

@augustlan Hey, who you calling homogeneous?

jerv's avatar

@augustlan Homogenous? Pah!
We have Conservatives, Liberals, Technophiles, Technophobes (or at least as close as you can get and still be on the ‘net), Yankees, Texans, Brits… a pretty diverse, rather eclectic group.
I think “homogenous” is a rather big stretch. About the only things we all have in common are that we are willing to at least listen to other points of view and we all have computers with browsers that have a bookmark for Fluther. Beyond that…

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

I think it depends on the type and frequency of the disagreement. For instance, challenging your philosophical beliefs when you’re a professor of philosophy – not dislike. Having a different opinion on a poll question (as many on Fluther are), not dislike. Actively finding things that someone hasn’t opened up for discussion and telling them you think they’re wrong (like greeting someone by saying you don’t like their nail polish color, or randomly telling someone that freckles don’t look good on them, or spending 20 minutes saying that 7 pm isn’t an appropriate time for dinner), yeah, probably dislike – you just wouldn’t do that if you liked the person. Disagreeing over every little thing – yeah, you probably are going to have a hard time finding anything to bond over.

Porifera's avatar

I don’t interpret disagreement as dislike. Why should everyone else have the same thoughts and opinions as me? Why would I want you to think like me? What would I get from it? However, I find that a lot of people feel that if you disagree with them it’s because you don’t like them and immediately get on the defensive sideof it. In fact, the more I disagree with someone, the more I want to talk to that person just to see if somewhere along the way I can start getting their views and understand where they are coming from.

WasCy's avatar

I’m so optimistic that I don’t even interpret dislike as “actual” dislike in all cases. A lot of the time I attribute someone’s bad reaction to me or to others as frustration with another situation or something that the targets of the “dislike” had nothing to do with, or pain or illness, distractedness, impatience, etc.

That, or mental illness.

augustlan's avatar

@jerv Yes, in many ways we are a varied group, but I was thinking of politics when I wrote that. While most viewpoints are represented here, the site definitely leans heavily to the left.

mattbrowne's avatar

Often disagreement is a sign of respect. Topics are worthy of debate and you are worthy of debating it. It isn’t about dislike at all.

roundsquare's avatar

I love it when people disagree with me.

Porifera's avatar

@roundsquare I don’t agree with you :)

xxmustafa7's avatar

Man, this is an awesome topic. I actually just got out of a seriously heated debate with a friend of mine about this. I take it as respect when someone questions my point of view, because, as some of you have said, it helps me grow, and adapt, and learn. So in turn, without realizing it sometimes, I challenge other people’s beliefs just for the same reason, I guess. But my friend takes every sign of disagreement as dislike, and lack of respect. Also, I think he is a little bit of the type that he is stuck in his views. He will interrupt me when I am speaking, yell his point of view, and when I try to explain mine, or form a rebuttal, he interrupts me again, or just walks away.

For instance, (this is a really stupid argument, mind you) he was talking about how original the band Yellowcard is. I said how the violin in the band was original, but as far as chord progression and melodies go, not so much. And why he thought they were original. He then got really angry and yelled, “Dude, just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean it’s not original.” To which I responded, “No, I do like Yellowcard. A lot. I just won’t go so far as to say they’re original.” In the middle of this sentence, he interrupts and says, “You aren’t perfect, stop acting like everything you say is fact. Just because you don’t like Yellowcard.” This went on, and advanced to other things, and every time I brought up a point or a rebuttal, he would act like I hadn’t said anything and kept arguing the same points, not adapting his argument to match my rebuttal. Then he stormed off yelling at me how I won’t ever listen to people’s point of views, how I think my word is fact, and how I am disrespecting him.

Now, I may not have the best tact, by any means. But I will admit it when I make a mistake and I am open to other people’s opinions. The whole argument I was listening to his views, trying to form thought-out responses, and pleading with him to listen to mine, but he wouldn’t. Anyway, sorry for the rant, I just saw this thread and thought I would post my response. It’s very frustrating. I’m not sure what to do about it, or if there even is anything I can do to still be his friend. I’m at a loss. Haha :D If you read this, thanks! If not, understandable. It’s long.

WasCy's avatar

Welcome to Fluther, @xxmustafa7. You’re right, it is a long exposition and a silly argument.

But Yellowcard sucks.

augustlan's avatar

Welcome to Fluther, @xxmustafa7! I think you’re going to fit in here. ;)

Blackberry's avatar

Certainly not, although I can admit to the occasional getting-steamed-up-over disagreement, I come back to my senses and lose all the hate.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I love a civilized debate. Too often, though, people start saying things like, “You’re an idiot.” Yes, I take that as personal dislike.

rOs's avatar

I tend to choose my “battles” carefully. I will only enter a debate if the content is thought-provoking for both parties. The goal should be learning, not “winning”. Most importantly, a simple Nuh Uh! is not going to promote any constructive dialog, one must be prepared to support their claims.

Paradoxical as it may seem, I think its important to defend your position with passion, but with objectivity.

dxs's avatar

What really makes the difference is the tone and the people involed. If a person has a sassy/irritable/greater-than-God/etc. tone of voice, the argument will not end well. If a person has an ego and is close-minded to their opinion, the argument will not end well. There are people who I know who are like this, and I try my best to avoid any arguments with them. I just mhmm to whatever they say and carry on with what I’m doing. I’ll admit it bothers me a bit, since I’m generally not a very passive person, but I know it’s not worth my time.

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